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outsor@citynet.net - 03 Aug 2005 12:35 GMT
Only 2 percent remain on low carb diets, another fad has come and gone.

More dieters ditch carb counts
  By MICHAEL HILL, Associated Press Writer

  ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - More dieters are ditching carb counts and biting
  into baguettes with gusto these days. Some are eating like French
  women - who never get fat, according to one best seller. Or they're
  taking their cues from celebrities like Suzanne Somers.

  Some are counting the minutes between meals or checking a food's
  glycemic index. And old-school calorie counting continues to have its
  followers.

  This week's bankruptcy filing by the late Dr. Robert C. Atkins' old
  company provide fresh evidence of the low-carb diet's demise, a
  downward spiral that began early last year. But no single new diet has
  filled the void.

  Observers say the only sure thing - given the boom-and-bust nature of
  weight-loss trends - is that something will pop up eventually.

  "There isn't one single strong contender," said Anne M. Russell,
  editor-in-chief of Shape magazine. "If you look at what the single
  largest trend is, it's weight gain."

  Chapter 11 filings by Atkins Nutritionals Inc. on Monday came about a
  year and a half after books like "The Atkins Essentials" rode the best
  seller charts, bread makers were back on their heels and Burger King
  introduced a Whopper without a bun.

  But Atkins has been in decline since February 2004, said Harry Balzer,
  a food industry analyst at market researcher NPD Group. Balzer claims
  Atkins was one of those demanding diets that simply ran its course,
  going from fad to fade like so many others before it, including the
  Scarsdale and the cabbage soup diets.

  How far and how fast did Atkins fall? By September 2004, surplus
  low-carb products were being shipped to food banks in Appalachia.

  "I'll try that bunless burger once. I might even try it twice," Balzer
  said. "But boy, that ketchup just doesn't stay on lettuce like it does
  on bread."

  People who watch diet trends say there's a lull right now - what Dr.
  Christine Gerbstadt of the American Dietetic Association calls a
  "slump in diet trends." Thus, new strategies are flourishing.

  Low-carb might be waning, but no one should write its obituary just
  yet. About 2 percent of adults remain on a low-carb regimen, according
  to NPD. And The New York Times best seller list still includes "The
  South Beach Diet." That diet, which limits high-sugar carbs like white
  bread, has celebrity sizzle thanks to adherents like President
  Clinton.

  Also on the Times' best seller list is "French Women Don't Get Fat,"
  in which Mireille Guiliano argues that the French are able to eat
  croissants and chocolate without ballooning because they take time to
  savor flavors and eat judiciously.

  On Amazon, the No. 18 book Tuesday was "The 3-Hour Diet" from Jorge
  Cruise, who recommends timing meals and snacks to lose weight. Also
  popular is "volumetrics," which promotes eating filling foods with
  fewer calories, like fruits and brown rice. Bookstore shelves are
  loaded with celebrity-endorsed diet plans like "Suzanne Somers' Slim
  and Sexy Forever."

  Put it all together, and the advice can seem like a muddle.
  Nutritionists and fitness experts still stress a good way to keep
  weight off is to eat less and exercise more. Many point to recent
  government dietary guidelines, which emphasize fruits, vegetables and
  whole grains - and watching calories.

  "There'll always be some weird thing about eating four grapes before
  you go to bed, or drinking a special tea, or buying this little bean
  from El Salvador," said fitness guru Richard Simmons, who struggled
  with a series of fad diets as a portly youngster.

  "If you watch your portions and you have a good attitude and you work
  out every day you'll live longer, feel better and look terrific," he
  said.

  Regardless, Simmons agrees it's only a matter of time before a new
  diet trend takes hold.

  "I wouldn't be surprised if we bounce back to another version of
  low-fat, which we had in the '80s," said Prevention magazine deputy
  editor Amy O'Connor.

  O'Connor also sees a future for diets based on the glycemic index, a
  rating of how quickly carbohydrates are digested and rush into the
  bloodstream as sugar.

  Balzer notes whole-wheat foods are making gains and trans-fat is a
  rising concern.

  Ruth Kava, director of nutrition for the American Council on Science
  and Health, figures it might be something like a high-protein diet.

  "Somebody will come up with something new," she said. "There's a lot
  of creativity out there in Diet World.

  --

  On the Net:

  Government dietary guidelines: http://www.mypyramid.com
    _________________________________________________________________
Enrico C - 03 Aug 2005 13:37 GMT
[...]
>    company provide fresh evidence of the low-carb diet's demise, a
>    downward spiral that began early last year. But no single new diet has
>    filled the void.
>
>    Observers say the only sure thing - given the boom-and-bust nature of
>    weight-loss trends - is that something will pop up eventually.

Dr Sear's "Zone" is huge, isn't it?
My impression is that it's most popular in Italy at least.
just Ed - 03 Aug 2005 15:01 GMT
> [...]
> >    company provide fresh evidence of the low-carb diet's demise, a
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> Dr Sear's "Zone" is huge, isn't it?
> My impression is that it's most popular in Italy at least.

popular in Italy!!!
That's the most solid scientific proof of all.

Tell us more of what thy're doing in Italy because that's
got to be the best!
Enrico C - 03 Aug 2005 15:43 GMT
On 3 Aug 2005 07:01:05 -0700, just Ed wrote in
<news:1123077665.083610.235350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> on
sci.med.nutrition :

>> [...]
>>>    company provide fresh evidence of the low-carb diet's demise, a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> popular in Italy!!!
> That's the most solid scientific proof of all.

Of course it's not.

> Tell us more of what thy're doing in Italy because that's
> got to be the best!

"What they're doing"? Eating salmon, I guess! ;)


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Enrico C

Cubit - 03 Aug 2005 15:44 GMT
NPD, The NPD Group seems to be a marketing company.  In May they were
claiming that 4% were following Atkins specifically, and that 17% had tried
some form of low carb.

Among low carbers, many do not follow Atkins exactly.  I'm not sure how this
2% number in created, but I suspect that NPD, that is being cited, has a
hidden agenda.

> Only 2 percent remain on low carb diets, another fad has come and gone.
>
> More dieters ditch carb counts
>    By MICHAEL HILL, Associated Press Writer
outsor@citynet.net - 03 Aug 2005 17:34 GMT
"NPD, The NPD Group seems to be a marketing company.  In May they were
claiming that 4% were following Atkins specifically, and that 17% had
tried some form of low carb.

Among low carbers, many do not follow Atkins exactly.  I'm not sure how
this 2% number in created, but I suspect that NPD, that is being cited,
has a hidden agenda."

No, they are an independent marketing research group, it is possible
atkins used them to get data too when doing their marketing approach.
OmManiPadmeOmelet - 03 Aug 2005 16:23 GMT
> Only 2 percent remain on low carb diets, another fad has come and gone.

And the percentage of the morbidly obese will continue to increase as a
results. ;-)
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

outsor@citynet.net - 03 Aug 2005 17:41 GMT
"And the percentage of the morbidly obese will continue to increase as a
results. ;-)"

Which only speaks to the need for not relying on radical approaches in
nutrition.  Low carb worked for 6 months and then was no different then
other approaches in outcomes at 1 year, and it had the high rejection
level because people got tired of it's limitations on food choices.  In
the end when all was said and done, it worked for the long run because
it caused people to eat less, which is the true basis for any diet.
Max C. - 04 Aug 2005 02:20 GMT
> Which only speaks to the need for not relying on radical approaches in
> nutrition.  Low carb worked for 6 months and then was no different then
> other approaches in outcomes at 1 year, and it had the high rejection
> level because people got tired of it's limitations on food choices.  In
> the end when all was said and done, it worked for the long run because
> it caused people to eat less, which is the true basis for any diet.

Most people give up during the induction phase.  Unlike low-fat diets
which still allow refined carbs, people trying atkins had to give up not
one, but TWO addictive substances.  Refined carbs have been shown to
have addictive properties.  Additionally, many people going on the
Atkins Induction phase are addicted to caffeine.  Giving up both of
these things can be more than the person is willing to bear.  It creates
mood swings, cramps, depression and serious headaches.

The funny thing is, the same addictions should be dealt with on ANY good
diet plan... because ANY good diet should suggest giving up both refined
carbs and caffeine.

Max.
NoOption5L@aol.com - 04 Aug 2005 04:39 GMT
>Max C. wrote:

> The funny thing is, the same addictions should be dealt with on ANY good
> diet plan... because ANY good diet should suggest giving up both refined
> carbs and caffeine.

Max,

Agreed, except on the latter.  A little caffeine via some healthy green
or white tea, and premium dark chocolate is A OKAY.

Patrick
Max C. - 05 Aug 2005 11:58 GMT
> Max,
>
> Agreed, except on the latter.  A little caffeine via some healthy green
> or white tea, and premium dark chocolate is A OKAY.
>
> Patrick

Well, it's not *quite* that black and white.  Some people have
mistreated their bodies so badly that even the slightest amount of
caffeine can cause a sensitivity.  My wife happens to be one of them.  
She's trying to get her health back in order and eat right after years
of yoyo dieting and outright food addiction.  She stayed away from
caffeine for a long time, then one moring had a glass of chocolate milk
using a tablespoon of organic chocolate syrup.  The caffeine in the
chocolate set her off.

I'm sure you're right, generally speaking.  I just wanted to point out
that there are exceptions.
Visual Purple - 03 Aug 2005 23:43 GMT
"Somebody will come up with something new," she said. "There's a lot
  of creativity out there in Diet World.

American greed-driven creativity, that is.

First the media are flooded with hype about some "new discovery" about
why people gain weight or don't, then they are flooded with a new diet
scheme that is based on those "newfound principles".

The French diet plan is the funniest one recently.  New discoveries
have been made as to why French women don't gain weight.  They don't
gain weight because they know how to scarf down coissants and baguettes
at precise intervals. So now American women will do that expecting to
come out of the process looking like Bridgette Bardot too.

Right.
m_magoon@yahoo.com - 09 Aug 2005 10:22 GMT
I'm no expert on diet or marketing or business, but it seems more
likely to me that Atkins went bankrupt because their products tasted
crappy, not because of the principles of a low carb diet.
RBR - 12 Aug 2005 23:58 GMT
> "Somebody will come up with something new," she said. "There's a lot
>   of creativity out there in Diet World.
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>
>Right.

Actually there's nothing funny about the French diet. The reasons for
their not getting fat are quite simple. Its all about portion size and
lifestyle. The French aren't food-phobic like North Americans nor do
they eat the same quantity of food. Another thing is that they tend to
be a lot more active. The portion sizes in North America are larger
than the ones in France. Simple enough, huh?

RBR
Eric Bohlman - 13 Aug 2005 00:47 GMT
RBR <rogers@home.com> wrote in news:t5aqf1t2sjd134qf165mrj41o3jk2v7dj3@
4ax.com:

> Actually there's nothing funny about the French diet. The reasons for
> their not getting fat are quite simple. Its all about portion size and
> lifestyle. The French aren't food-phobic like North Americans nor do
> they eat the same quantity of food. Another thing is that they tend to
> be a lot more active. The portion sizes in North America are larger
> than the ones in France. Simple enough, huh?

Too simple to write a diet book and come out with a line of "program
foods."  Remember that diet books are a form of self-help book, and that
the best-selling self-help book of all time was written by L. Ron Hubbard.

But you're quite right.  The French are eating "the wrong foods" but
they're not pigging out.  Americans are paying close attention to whatever
food items are currently being demonized and not caring how much of
everything else they eat.
 
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