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455 - 01 Aug 2005 03:43 GMT
Good or Bad? Just swallowed 3/4 a bag....the kids are pissed.....
Mho Fho - 01 Aug 2005 06:26 GMT
Tear open the bag and see is the bottom is scorched.  There is a
metalized patch in the layers of the bottom paper.  If the bottom is
scorched, then adhesives, with known carcinogens, from within the paper
has leeched into the popped corn.
Mr-Natural-Health - 01 Aug 2005 11:57 GMT
> metalized patch in the layers of the bottom paper.  If the bottom is
> scorched, then adhesives, with known carcinogens, from within the paper
> has leeched into the popped corn.

NEWSFLASH:  ALL cooked food have known carcinogens. It is part of the
definition of cooked.

Just thought that you might want to know.
Mho Fho - 01 Aug 2005 13:09 GMT
Your comment is not all that helpful.  The trace amounts that occur in
food naturally are nothing compared to the amounts that can occur from
industrial additives, many times they are several orders of magnitude
greater in concentration.

There are some examples, like the alkaloids in the skins of cucumbers
that some people have some concens about, but these are few in number.

It's as if you are trying to tell someone that because you can measure
some small concentration of carbon monoxide in fresh air in a forest
that they should lessen the concerns that they have about the air
quality in places like warehouses where people are riding around on
fork trucks.

Here's a good place to start chasing down information on this topic:

http://www.gobelle.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n1_v17/ai_8811061

Just thought that you might want to know.
Mr-Natural-Health - 01 Aug 2005 19:19 GMT
> Your comment is not all that helpful.

Then kindly provide a citation to pubmed that documents that microwave
popcorn is exceptionally bad for you?

How about just ordinarily bad?
Mho Fho - 02 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
Start Here:
http://www.gobelle.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n1_v17/ai_8811061
The original article that came out years ago pointing out the problem
was 'Microwaves: The Heat Is On.'

Once at this page you'll have to work your way into the archives to get
the full text.  The problems stem from the use of 'heat susceptors,'
metalized plastic strips, embedded in ready-made microwave products
that require high heat.  The metal causes the temperature to get very
high, much higher than is usual and the chemical agents migrate through
the paper.

Here's a link to a Google search for this topic:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=heat+susceptors+adhesives
Mr-Natural-Health - 02 Aug 2005 05:53 GMT
> Start Here:
> http://www.gobelle.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n1_v17/ai_8811061
> The original article that came out years ago pointing out the problem
> was 'Microwaves: The Heat Is On.'

Hey Moron, I am not interested in some paranoid article writen by some
Kook.

I want a citation to a real research study that says microwave popcorn
is bad for you.
Mr-Natural-Health - 02 Aug 2005 05:54 GMT
> Start Here:
> http://www.gobelle.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n1_v17/ai_8811061
> The original article that came out years ago pointing out the problem
> was 'Microwaves: The Heat Is On.'

Hey Moron, I am not interested in some paranoid article writen by some
Kook.

I want a citation to a real research study that says microwave popcorn
is bad for you.
Mho Fho - 02 Aug 2005 14:45 GMT
I understand that you want solid reference material and this is the
third time I'm telling you where to find it.  The article I'm
recommending to you is published by the Center for Science in the
Public Interest.  If you really were what your nickname implies you
would already be acquainted with them.  All their information comes
from peer reviewed scientific journals or from independent laboratories
to whom they send samples for assays.  At the end of all their articles
they supply a bibliography to the original sources.

Their publication is style to be readable and informative to an
intelligent citizen.  To connect to the hardcore data, just follow the
footnotes or the biblio. They are conservative in their recommendations
and don't publish unfounded information.  They are actually the source
for a lot of information that puts an end to much of ill-founded health
mumbo jumbo that is put out by profit making firms, fad diet promoters,
and bogus supplement manufacturers.  That's why people pay attentiion
when they come out with warnings.  They are often invited to testify in
congress and function as a consumer advocacy group that accepts no
money from no industry or commercial interests.

I'm only bothering to answer you this last time because it may be of
value to someone else who reads this and wants to know where
information like this can be found.
www.cspinet.org

As for your 'Hey, Moron' comment, you reveal yourself to be just
another low class wise-mouthed guy with a keyboard.  I don't bother
with people like you.  As a bonus, you've earned the last word, because
whatever you write after this, I won't respond.
Mr-Natural-Health - 03 Aug 2005 05:46 GMT
> I understand that you want solid reference material and this is the
> third time I'm telling you where to find it.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Yeah, right, sure ... troll.

A troll always expects the other person to spend their time on a wild
goose chase.

I am glad that you are offend troll because I am not that stupid to be
sucked in by some Kook who is nothing but a troll.

Go waste somebody else's time with your paranoia.

And, I don't mind saying so either. :)
Mr-Natural-Health - 03 Aug 2005 05:46 GMT
> I understand that you want solid reference material and this is the
> third time I'm telling you where to find it.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Yeah, right, sure ... troll.

A troll always expects the other person to spend their time on a wild
goose chase.

I am glad that you are offend troll because I am not that stupid to be
sucked in by some Kook who is nothing but a troll.

Go waste somebody else's time with your paranoia.

And, I don't mind saying so either. :)
Bolivar - 02 Aug 2005 23:46 GMT
For real popcorn, get one of these thingies:
http://www.popcornpopper.com/24000.html

I like to use a 50/50 mix of real butter and olive oil -- about a tsp
of each -- as the popping oil. Season the popped corn with Lawry's
garlic salt. You'll never be able to stomach those microwaved
imitations again.
Will McGugan - 01 Aug 2005 13:31 GMT
> Good or Bad? Just swallowed 3/4 a bag....the kids are pissed.....

I don't think there is anything particularily bad about popcorn, other
than the high calorie content.

http://www.foodfileonline.com/search?s=popcorn

Will
Mho Fho - 01 Aug 2005 13:52 GMT
Right.  Popcorn is a food.  The problem I'm trying to point out is that
the embedded 'heat susceptors' in some packaged microwave-ready
products aren't sufficiently shielded from the food.  Air popped
popcorn is the safest.

A good place to find information on problems such as this one is at The
Center for Science in the Public Interest.   www.cspinet.org
tominbkk - 01 Aug 2005 13:58 GMT
> Good or Bad? Just swallowed 3/4 a bag....the kids are pissed.....

very bad....
JohnnyYooper - 01 Aug 2005 17:53 GMT
yep. google "pop secret's dirty little secret" and "hydrogenated
vegetable oil" .  hvo and high fructose corn syrup are what is making
america fat. and its in 40% of the food at a regular grocery store.
"Whole Foods" will not sell any products with hvo in it.
Jeff - 01 Aug 2005 23:15 GMT
> Good or Bad? Just swallowed 3/4 a bag....the kids are pissed.....

Popcorn is good. It is high in fibre. I always get the low fat ones. Just be
sure to drink a lot of water with it, to help you get rid of the salt.

Jeff
 
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