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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2005Detoxing
Hi I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like detox regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm) because of toxins clearing out of the liver. Has anyone here tried a detox before and experienced symptoms as a result of it? Myself, I have moderate CFS, but I have a number of symptoms that indicate a possible underfunctioning liver (which is common among CFS sufferers) such as inability to handle caffeine or alcohol, overly fatty or sugary foods.. in fact seldom do I eat a meal without getting some symptoms later on. This is why I reckon my liver needs a good detox. One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree of what I think is orthostatic hypotension - ie: disturbance to my circulation that yields lots of unpleasant symptoms and sensations when getting up after a heavy meal or having sat down for along time. It is this last symptom which is being aggravated/exacerbated by OxyAge.. I had this when I previously tried another liver detox plan from a book called Healing with Whole Foods. except that time I chickened out after 2 days because I'm also prone to panic & anxiety attacks and all those symptoms were playing havoc with that! I really want to keep to this OxyAge stuff; ie: ride out the symptoms to see what kind of health benefits might lie on the other side.. so, anyone here had similar symptoms during a detox and rode it through etc?? Ian I have been through some experiences like yours when I was younger, and accepted the "turbulence" as a part of the healing process, but the last, and continuing, method I have employed involves the use of non-crystalline diatomaceous earth along with targeted nutrition to simultaneously detox and restore crucial biochemical pathways that youe metabolism and immune function rely upon. This is a slowand steady approach that does not normally provoke reactions unless the individual involved has some serious health issues at stake, which makes is useful as a maintenance system as well. I have been utilizing this approach since 1998, and have experienced a cessation of lifelong allergies, chronic fatigue, and frequent illness since that time. I recommend it to anyone who is sincerely interested in establishing and maintaining their health in an independant and self-aware manner that tends to preclude the necessity of frequent and expensive medical intervention. An outline is provided here: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm Kristofer Dale, ragged individualist, statistic at large... p.s. Learn and live: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that contain more than trace amounts of unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized cholesterol. But then there wouldn't be the satisfaction people feel when they think they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a week or so. > Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw > cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a > week or so. As distinguished from the satisfaction you feel when you think you are taking some sort of magic elixir in coconut oil that will cure everything in a week or so? GWC > Best way to detox is by eating berries, dark chocolate, whole milk, raw > cheese, fresh coconut oil, coffee, etc., and avoiding foods that > contain more than trace amounts of unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized > cholesterol. I've been eating lots of healthy food like that for ages and to no effect on my CFS. The difficulty is there that pure diet solutions, while undoutedly one of the healthiest approaches to illness, require a very strict discipline over periods of a year or more in order to yield results. You also often have to eat large quantities of them in order to get therapeutic amounts of the anti-oxidants too. You are taking the above foods because they are high in anti-oxidants.. OxyAge contains many of the ones in your foods above: Alpha Lipoic Acid 250mg L-Acetyl-Carnitine 500mg Berry HIGH ORAC 300mg Raspberry Extract (Ellagic Acid 40%) 200mg MSM 200mg Proprietary Greens Mix with Barley Grass, Hawaiian Spirulina, Alfalfa, Wheat Grass, Chlorella, Soy Sprouts, Rice Bran, Barley Malt, Acerola Berry Juice, Licorice Root, Royal Jelly, Beet Juice, Dunaliela, Dulse (Nova Scotia), Milk Thistle, Echinacea Root, Ginger Root, Astragalus, Green Tea, Grape Seed & Skin, Bilberry 1450mg > But then there wouldn't be the satisfaction people feel when they think > they are taking some sort of magic pill that will cure everything in a > week or so. There is definitely an element of wanting to speed the process up. As I said, pure diet solutions can take a very long time and require much discipline that your average human is likely to manage unless they cut themselves off from society and have someone watch them all the time. What youre describing is more of a maintenance plan, adding more antioxidants to your diet, which is great if you're reasonably healthy to start with.. but for more serious conditions, even a very healthy diet is more of a trickle-feed solution - why shoudn't we want to find out what it is in those diets that actually causes the healing and condense it down into a pill? Ian > I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a > product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like detox > regimes I've read about in the past, the info says it can make you feel > worse before you feel better (http://www.oxyage.com/suggested-use.htm) Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product???? (like Sun Chlorella???) Also avoid sugar; soda pop; dairy (& cow's milk) products??? > One of the other main symptoms I get a result of CFS is a moderate degree of Could CFS be the result of a low-grade viral infection??? An amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine. >> I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a >> product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good > product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine. I don't think I ever had any viral infections that brought on my CFS - I think it is an extreme form of being "run down", or at least in my case, and immune system problems that some experience is probably a symptom rather than a cause. Like if your liver is underfunctioning it can compromise your immune system. In my case, I don't feel my immune system is working that badly, in that I resist colds as well as anybody and have never had the flu. Ian >>> I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a >>> product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Maybe detox by taking a good chlorella supplement product???? >> (like Sun Chlorella???) on, incidentally, Chlorella was one of the supplements that I tried before, the time I chickened out of the detox because of the side effects > > I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a > > product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good > product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine. CFS is most often associated with Epstein Barr Virus... http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/cfs-faq/sectio n-38.html  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson "OxyAGE 180 Capsules MSRP: $64.99 SALE PRICE: $44.90 A Serving is six capsules Each bottle is 180 capsules Drink 48-60 oz. of fresh water daily." i.e., 1 month supply = $45.00. Rather expensive. I get most of these ingredients in my other supps. But if this is all one were going to take, I suppose it might be worth getting it by the case which would cut its cost. "Ingredients: Alpha Lipoic Acid 250mg L-Acetyl-Carnitine 500mg Berry HIGH ORAC 300mg Raspberry Extract (Ellagic Acid 40%) 200mg MSM 200mg Proprietary Greens Mix with Barley Grass, Hawaiian Spirulina, Alfalfa, Wheat Grass, Chlorella, Soy Sprouts, Rice Bran, Barley Malt, Acerola Berry Juice, Licorice Root, Royal Jelly, Beet Juice, Dunaliela, Dulse (Nova Scotia), Milk Thistle, Echinacea Root, Ginger Root, Astragalus, Green Tea, Grape Seed & Skin, Bilberry 1450mg" *** BTW, regarding the alpha lipoic acid content: Life Extension Foundaton no longer sells alpha lipoic acid but has replaced it with "R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid "Alpha lipoic acid consists of two different forms (isomers) that have vastly different properties. The "R" form is the biologically active component (native to the body) that is responsible for lipoic acid's phenomenal antioxidant effect. The "S" form is produced from chemical manufacture and is not very biologically active. Alpha lipoic acid supplements consist of the "R" and "S" form in a 50/50 ratio. That means a 100 mg alpha lipoic acid supplement is providing 50 mg of the biologically active "R" form. The human body normally produces and uses R-lipoic acid, the active form. R-lipoic acid significantly reduces inflammatory reactions and has been shown to be more potent than the combined "R" and "S" form that comprise alpha lipoic acid.31-40* When alpha lipoic acid is ingested, it is first converted to its reduced form, R-dihydro-lipoic acid, where the main action of lipoic acid is initiated. R-dihydro-lipoic acid is the reduced (or active) form of R-lipoic acid. R-dihydro-lipoic acid produces the majority of the results attributed to R-lipoic acid and alpha lipoic acid. By consuming R-dihydro-lipoic acid, you are obtaining the form of R-lipoic acid that is immediately available to cells. R-dihydro-lipoic acid is only available in liquid capsules because it is itself a liquid and must be kept sealed from air. For members who have been using Super Alpha Lipoic Acid capsules, Life Extension's "R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid liquid capsule provides a more effective form of lipoic acid. Each liquid capsule of "R"-Dihydro-Lipoic Acid supplement contains 150 mg of this lipoic acid form that provides greater biological activity compared to a 300 mg capsule of regular alpha lipoic acid." | > I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a | > product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | amino acid, L-Lysine, has anti-viral properities. Quantum sells a good | product called Super Lysine with 500 mg of L-Lysine. > "OxyAGE 180 Capsules > MSRP: $64.99 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I > suppose it might be worth getting it by the case which would cut its cost. yes, it was expensive (and I had to have it shipped over the pond too!).. but it happened to have pretty much everything I have been reading about in various books about liver stagnancy, oxidative stress, etc. Lately, I had been taking about 8 different nutritional pills in one sitting, so it's nice to find it all in one tab. Ian I would think the first thing to do would be to determine if your problem really is liver / gall bladder related. To do that, you could get a good bile salt supplement like Standard Process's Cholacol and take it with a few meals. If that eases your digestive problems, you'll know it's related to your liver or gall bladder. If not, you need to look in to something else. If you find that's the case, then you can probably assume you have gall stones in some form. Nearly everyone that eats today's typical convenience foods have gall stones to some extent. They can prevent the gall bladder from contracting fully, which causes a problem in 2 ways: 1) It doesn't allow the gall bladder to fully concentrate the bile. That makes for a weak bile which isn't as effective in breaking down fats. 2) it doesn't all the gall bladder to squeeze the bile into the intestines effectively, thus producing the same result. You would probably want to go on a month long diet of specific foods that help break down gall stones. Then after a month, you could do a 1 day gall bladder flush. If you'd like to talk about it a little more, there are several knowledgeable people at www.traditionalfoodgroup.com They're all very helpful, and a few are even doctors. Check it out. Max. > I've just started what amounts to a detoxification formula today. It's a > product called OxyAge (it's actually an antioxidant product) and, like detox [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Ian >I would think the first thing to do would be to determine if your > problem really is liver / gall bladder related. To do that, you could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stones in some form. Nearly everyone that eats today's typical > convenience foods have gall stones to some extent. I was reading about gallstones last night and the olive oil/lemon juice "flush".. I'm not sure about that bile salts - sounds pretty horrible, but many of my symptoms do match with the kind of symptoms listed in Healing with Whole Foods for liver stagnancy. Thanks for the link Ian |
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