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Racing/Pounding Heart from Soy Beans?

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jaym1212 - 30 Jul 2005 17:09 GMT
I have a lot of food intolerances, but can tolerate most beans if they
are cooked well and eaten with digestive enzymes.  I hadn't eaten soy
for a long time and last evening decide to include a can (brand:
Westbrae Natural. Ingr: water, organic soybeans, sea salt). About 45
minutes after dinner I noticed my heart beat was faster/stronger than
usual and also felt slight nausea. And when going to bed, again I
noticed my heart rate was faster/stronger than usual. Then in the
middle of the night, I woke up with my heart racing/pounding and
breaking a slightly sweat. I get a similar reaction when consuming red
wine? What might be causing this? Anyone have similar reactions?
Susan - 30 Jul 2005 17:11 GMT
> I have a lot of food intolerances, but can tolerate most beans if they
> are cooked well and eaten with digestive enzymes.  I hadn't eaten soy
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> breaking a slightly sweat. I get a similar reaction when consuming red
> wine? What might be causing this? Anyone have similar reactions?

I don't know what's causing you to have those symptoms, but they happen
to me when my blood glucose is too high.

Susan
jaym1212 - 30 Jul 2005 22:20 GMT
> I don't know what's causing you to have those symptoms,
> but they happen to me when my blood glucose is too high.

My typical BG readings upon waking are near 83. The most recent lab
measurements are 86 and 88. I have been eating low/med carbs for
several years now. BG readings 1 hr after meal range 95 to 115. If I do
eat much carbs (ie rice or potato) I get sleepy. What would cause your
BG to go too high?
Susan - 30 Jul 2005 22:56 GMT
> My typical BG readings upon waking are near 83. The most recent lab
> measurements are 86 and 88. I have been eating low/med carbs for
> several years now. BG readings 1 hr after meal range 95 to 115.

Those are very good numbers.

 If I do
> eat much carbs (ie rice or potato) I get sleepy. What would cause your
> BG to go too high?

Too much dietary carbohydrate and/or dehydration in my case.  Shouldn't
happen with your numbers, though.

Susan
Moodie - 31 Jul 2005 00:08 GMT
Could it be that you may be allergic?
George Cherry - 30 Jul 2005 18:08 GMT
>I have a lot of food intolerances, but can tolerate most beans if they
> are cooked well and eaten with digestive enzymes.  I hadn't eaten soy
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> breaking a slightly sweat. I get a similar reaction when consuming red
> wine? What might be causing this? Anyone have similar reactions?

One robin doesn't make a summer.
Wait a few days, ingest soybeans again,
and see if you have the same symptoms.
jaym1212 - 30 Jul 2005 22:38 GMT
> One robin doesn't make a summer.

The reason I hadn't eaten soybeans for several years was because the
last time was a painful experience (heartburn and tummy ache), however
that may have been due to insufficient cooking. How likely is it that
soybean antinutrient aren't sufficiently neutralized in commerical
canned soybeans? Anyone here eat canned soybeans routinely?

> Wait a few days, ingest soybeans again,
> and see if you have the same symptoms.

Thanks, the next time I will try a can of soybeans by itself after a
short fast.
George Cherry - 31 Jul 2005 00:47 GMT
>> One robin doesn't make a summer.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> soybean antinutrient aren't sufficiently neutralized in commerical
> canned soybeans? Anyone here eat canned soybeans routinely?

I do, as well as other forms: soy nuts (roasted soybeans), tofu,
and soy milk. I have no trouble with any of these.  YMMV.

>> Wait a few days, ingest soybeans again,
>> and see if you have the same symptoms.
>
> Thanks, the next time I will try a can of soybeans by itself after a
> short fast.

Yes, that would be a good experiment.
I typed "soybean allergy" in PubMed's search for field and
got 569 abstracts; "legume allergy" yields 908 abstracts
(quite a few of which concern peanut allergy). So soybean
allergy does appear to be an issue.

George
John Sankey - 01 Aug 2005 23:40 GMT
Most problems people have with soy are not strictly allergies
(Ig response), but 'intolerances': equivalent problems but not
involving Ig response). Around Ottawa, at least 5% of people
have sufficient reactions to soy that they must avoid it.
Believe you me, it's a pain here! 90% of preprepared foods
have soy components in them now :-(
 
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