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Carb addict needs help
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Stacy - 24 Jul 2005 20:00 GMT I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full. (They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm not hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and that's why I crave them.
Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets. Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.
Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism?
nospam@aol.com - 24 Jul 2005 20:13 GMT >I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps >of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism? I can zap the carb craving by eating something protein. But it's hard when they bring a basket of great bread while you are waiting for your steak.
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OmManiPadmeOmelet - 25 Jul 2005 02:03 GMT > >I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps > >of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ora I just ask them not to...
Perfect examples are Red Lobster and Outback.
They won't bring it to your table against your request!
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Enrico C - 24 Jul 2005 21:07 GMT > I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. [...]
> Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it. In my humble opinion, a problem with hi-IG hi-carb *lo-fiber* foods such as candies, sweet drinks, refined white bread, or any food with lots of added sugar, is that they are not very satiating. Thus you will never have enough. You'll always want some more, just immediately or after a short while, and you *may* end up eating too much.
Notice I say that you "may" end up eating too much, not that you surely will, as I reckon different people have different reactions.
Anyway, if you want some *satiating* carbs, you might want to try some low to middle-IG, low to middle-carb, *hi-fiber* foods such as:
* vegetables such as zucchini, peppers, salad...;
* most fruits (whole and raw,not juices);
* legumes;
* "al dente" whole durum-wheat pasta or bulghur, together with lots of vegetables;
* whole grains in kernels, like decorticated spelt or durum-wheat or oat or barley;
* basic muesli (with no raisins or dried fruits) made with oats and seeds and nuts;
* pumpernickel rye bread...
I would look for organic whole grains, as they keep the outer husk of the kernel.
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Phil Scott - 24 Jul 2005 21:16 GMT >I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein >shakes, take supps [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? > Other than hynotism? Empty carbs...,no nutrition, leaves you craving. start loading on protien, carb cravings will dissapear..then add salads. then more protien. you need about 1graham of protien a day per llb of body wt if you excercise... you are probably getting half that.
so you crave carbs.
Phil Scott
Dawid Michalczyk - 24 Jul 2005 23:15 GMT > I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps > of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism? You may be suffering from malnutrition. Perhaps the breads you crave are your only (or the best) dietary source of certain nutrient(s) which your body desperately needs. Those breads may contain only small amounts of the lacking nutrient(s) but still more than the other foods you eat. Thus your cravings for large quantities of those foods.
I had that happen to myself a few times, though not with bread. There were certain foods that I craved in larger quantities. Thanks to the online nutritional databases I looked at nutrients found in the foods I craved and soon found what I was missing - since they were all high in the nutrient I was lacking - the copper mineral.
A more reliable way of detecting nutritional deficiencies is to use nutritional software. You will have to specify all the foods you eat every day, which takes 5-10 minutes/day ones you get the hang of it. The program will give you instant results showing your intake of all well known nutrients like vitamins and minerals, proteins, carbs, fats etc. including RDA% and other stuff. You may see what you are lacking after only a few days of use.
You didn't write how much you exercise and what kind of breads you eat. Many breads are made from grains which contain phytic acid. Phytic acid binds with certain minerals (calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc) and therefore prevents their absorption. Frequent consumption of phytic acid containing foods may cause malnutrition. All grains (except amaranth, millet and rice) and beans must be soaked before consumption. This lowers or eliminates phytic acid. Overnight soaking in water that is not depleted of minerals is thought to be sufficient.
Nutritional software links: http://nutritionsoftware.org I use BeNutriFit. It's cheap and sufficient for my needs: http://www.benutrifit.com
Online databases: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ http://www.nutritiondata.com
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montygram - 25 Jul 2005 00:11 GMT You should eat meals you make yourself. I had a similar problem while on a high carb "vegan" diet for many years. Now I eat a lot of fat, but it's got to be very saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate, whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat. Another thing I found that helps is to rotate the food I eat, so that there's no appetizer or dessert, but instead you take a bite of one thing, then move on to the other, and rotate from one "dish" to another. You can also have a chronic, low-grade inflammatory process going on. More antioxidant-rich foods (berries, white tea, dark chocolate, etc.) and less highly unsaturated fatty acid sources (most oils and meat products are high too) could help a lot.
Phil Scott - 25 Jul 2005 00:54 GMT > You should eat meals you make yourself. I had a similar > problem while [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > sources (most > oils and meat products are high too) could help a lot. Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to 6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng healthier.
go figger. Im craving salads now also. and as Im nearing the end stages of dumping amyloid my type 2 diabetes is fading fast.
Phil Scott
RBR - 27 Jul 2005 04:11 GMT > Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs >and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to >6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the >microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng >healthier. How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just curious.
RBR
Phil Scott - 27 Jul 2005 05:49 GMT >> Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago >> eggs [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Just > curious. I have no clooo on that ...I could drop dead at any minute of course. In the past the eggs and grease etc caused chest pain and weakness...so thats my monitoring indicator now... I dont get weak or chest pains on the current diet...and yes I realize my indicator could have holes in it. The broader indication though is wt loss to idea levels, healthy across a broad spectrum with vastly increased stamina...I *think* its a result of what I call my de-amyloid program. I study that extensively,,I could be wrong but I dont think so.
also I needed digestive enzymes for a while but not now.
Phil Scott
> RBR harikumar@indero.com - 27 Jul 2005 17:17 GMT The below is what one gets when not going to a doctor, self diagnosing, self medicating for symptoms not confirmed by standard medical tests nd whose reality is likely to exist in imagination only. It is dangerous, but in this country wisdom is notrequired by law and one can harm themselves as much as they want.
"I have no clooo on that ...I could drop dead at any minute of course. In the past the eggs and grease etc caused chest pain and weakness...so thats my monitoring indicator now... I dont get weak or chest pains on the current diet...and yes I realize my indicator could have holes in it. The broader indication though is wt loss to idea levels, healthy across a broad spectrum with vastly increased stamina...I *think* its a result of what I call my de-amyloid program. I study that extensively,,I could be wrong but I dont think so.
also I needed digestive enzymes for a while but not now."..
Stacy - 25 Jul 2005 03:11 GMT Please tell me more about this.
| You can also have a chronic, low-grade inflammatory process | going on. I've heard something about people with liver inflammation or problems needing more carbs. Sometimes, I feel very subtle flu like symptons but very very mild and then they go away.
BTW, I'm a vegetarian but eat legumes either red beans, black beans or some other and soy meat substitutes and whey shakes. Also take a powerful multivitamin plus a separate B complex, other minerals, enzymes, amino acids etc., supps. so as I said, I'm sure it's not malnutrion. Probably getting more than I need if anything. Don't eat in resteraunts any more.
Phil Scott - 25 Jul 2005 00:18 GMT >> I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein >> shakes, take supps of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > found what I was missing - since they were all high in the > nutrient I was lacking - the copper mineral. Now thats some hot advice. thanks
Phil Scott
> A more reliable way of detecting nutritional deficiencies is > to use nutritional software. You will have to specify all [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ > http://www.nutritiondata.com OmManiPadmeOmelet - 25 Jul 2005 02:02 GMT > I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps > of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism? 2 weeks of abstinence.
Seriously.......
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Cubit - 28 Jul 2005 15:12 GMT Right. Maybe a bit longer though. Carb cravings do go away, when carbs are below a low level.
The supplement L-Glutamine can reduce carb craving for some people. This requires a large dose, on the scale of 10+ grams per day, spread out through the day.
> > I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps > > of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Seriously....... Stacy - 28 Jul 2005 15:38 GMT I've got some of that. I will try it.
| Right. Maybe a bit longer though. Carb cravings do go away, when carbs are | below a low level. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | > Seriously....... | Nicholson Cosmo - 25 Jul 2005 10:36 GMT Foods with a "high glycemic" index (like refined carbs/bread) tends to spike your blood sugar levels causing the body to compensate/overcompensate with insulin, then the craving starts all over again. This could lead to blood sugar problems later. Dr. Ray Strand explains it quite well on his website at www.releasingfat.com Another good explanation is here at http://www.usana.com/en/products/ca/macros/what_macro.shtml
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>I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps > of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than > hynotism? LisaMtheTimelessRx - 27 Jul 2005 06:46 GMT I agree with the high glycemic theory already mentioned several times that's making you crave the breads. Just don't let them bring it to the table, the smell of fresh bread is gonna wear you down.
I've attended a couple of trainings by Dr. Shari Lieberman speaking about "carb cravings" being so strong because people are eliminating almost all of their carbs, so the imbalance develops into a problem. Her book Dare To Lose is helpful in explaining it as is the website www.ilovemytransitionslife.com which has her on DVD too.
The low gi diet is catching on for weight management, heart health and as a long term eating plan because it allows for the variety that people like. Moderation and a commitment to stay on track are key. It just takes some learning about the way foods affect our systems.
Good luck!
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