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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2005DHEA
I have read that 25 or even up to 50 mg of DHEA is safe. Recently I've read that no more than 5 mg should be taken. And if you have any type of cancer, none should be taken. But if you don't have cancer, it prevents it. I notice it sometimes makes me irritable and have even noticed some hair loss taking the 25 mg for a month. However it does give energy and helps muscle strength. I've just stopped taking the 25 mg. And may start back on just 5 mg. Anyone have any info on this and what should be a daily supplement amount? Thanks Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? No. I've read everyone starts to lose it as they get older. I'm 49. | Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? I would be willing to bet he has blood. > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? I was talking of decreasing levels of dhea, not blood pizza girl! You must still be "ROFLMFAO". (did i get that right?) |I would be willing to bet he has blood. | | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? I knew that. I am informed of DHEA and it's effects. The question about blood tests was a moronic one and that was what the sarc was about, not you. I didn't make the decreasing post. When I took DHEA at about 25-50mg per day, my body pumped up with muscle without exercise. I felt like a teenager, I craved chocolate and pizza again. I had more energy and gained weight. My wife has lived on 50mg of DHEA for the last 5 years. Her "crow's feet" around her eyes disapeared agter a few months and her skin is great. She is 52 yoa and none of it came back. She is overweighhjt though a certain amount. > I was talking of decreasing levels of dhea, not blood pizza girl! You must > still be "ROFLMFAO". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > | > | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? |I knew that. I am informed of DHEA and it's effects. The question about | blood tests was a moronic one and that was what the sarc was about, not you. | I didn't make the decreasing post. | | When I took DHEA at about 25-50mg per day, my body pumped up with muscle | without exercise. I don't think muscles can grow without exercise. I felt like a teenager, I craved chocolate and pizza | again. I had more energy and gained weight. The weight gain may have been from the increased chocolate and pizza and you thought it was your muscles. | My wife has lived on 50mg of DHEA for the last 5 years. Her "crow's feet" | around her eyes disapeared agter a few months and her skin is great. Now, this may be possible. (But again, muscles only increase if you use them.) She is | 52 yoa and none of it came back. She is overweighhjt though a certain | amount. So who is the pizza "girl" you or your wife? | > I was talking of decreasing levels of dhea, not blood pizza girl! You must | > still be "ROFLMFAO". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | > | | > | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? Muscles do not take exercise to grow. They take genetics and chemistry. e.g. Look at many of the African descent blacks with bodies to put most white males to shame. Cut up and a bopdy to die for and yet maost of them have never lifted a weight in their life and could barely lift the basic bar....and yet ***sign*** those sleek, long bellied, striated muscles....bastards! > |I knew that. I am informed of DHEA and it's effects. The question about > | blood tests was a moronic one and that was what the sarc was about, not [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > | > | > | > | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? They WORK. Look at construction workers. Ever see their naturally developed biceps from the constant lifting and hammering? I knew some who never saw a gym and had a lot of muscles. My dad was another example. A welder by profession and avid gardner and fisherman when not working. He had biceps most men would kill for. Never saw a gym. But got the muscles the old fashioned way. Hard manual work. | Muscles do not take exercise to grow. They take genetics and chemistry. | [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] | > | > | | > | > | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? The people I see have never lifted more than a sandwich. What would the natives of Dominican Replublic work at? They have no jobs and no strength either. My arms were less than half their size and yet I could tear off the arm of a man twice my size despite their impressive musclature. > They WORK. Look at construction workers. Ever see their naturally developed > biceps from the constant lifting and hammering? I knew some who never saw a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > | > | > | > | > | > | > Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? > I knew that. I am informed of DHEA and it's effects. The question about > blood tests was a moronic one and that was what the sarc was about, not you. > I didn't make the decreasing post. Moronic how? Like, "muscles don't need exercise to grow" moronic or "my n=1 experiment proves that DHEA works" moronic? There is a reference range for blood levels of DHEA sulfate and the test is probably covered by insurance. I'd urge the original poster to simply have one done just to be sure that the money spent is well spent. > When I took DHEA at about 25-50mg per day, my body pumped up with muscle > without exercise. I felt like a teenager, I craved chocolate and pizza > again. I had more energy and gained weight. LOL...where to begin with this nonesense? Pumped up with muscle, eh? Anyone who follows your advice probably gets what they deserve...which probably isn't much. Clay T. > > I knew that. I am informed of DHEA and it's effects. The question about > > blood tests was a moronic one and that was what the sarc was about, not you. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Clay T. Mmmm... I did a bunch of "negatives" today and got one hell of a "pump" in my biceps. Felt good! I've noted in the past that Vanadyl sulfate is excellent for enhancing the "pump". It's an interesting feeling.  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson No. It would be nice to know, but too much of a hassel since you would have to test often.. One test is not going to tell you much. It fluctuates. | Have you had a blood test to see if you even need to supplement? > I have read that 25 or even up to 50 mg of DHEA is safe. Recently I've read > that no more than 5 mg should be taken. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks It seems the info. on this is all over the scale. :-) I've taken 50 to 100 mg. per day now for the past two years and only started having hair thinning since I lost a large amount of weight, so I attributed it to THAT. When I went on a tuna fish salad and celery kick, my hair started growing back from the inactive follicles. I can hardly wait 'till all those little short hairs get to be a decent length so they blend back in! I blame the hair loss on nutrition (or lack thereof), not the DHEA. SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson I take a dozen or so supps/minerals including fish oils so I know I am not suffering any defiencies. I have taken dhea off and on for past 8 years but only recently started taking it every day for about two months straight. This was when i noticed the hair loss. Everyone has different needs tho. Maybe your hair loss wasn't the dhea. But I've cut my usage out for now to see what happens. I will either get 5 mg ti take for every day or take the 25 mg i have every 5 days. | > I have read that 25 or even up to 50 mg of DHEA is safe. Recently I've read | > that no more than 5 mg should be taken. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | | I blame the hair loss on nutrition (or lack thereof), not the DHEA. > I take a dozen or so supps/minerals including fish oils so I know I am not > suffering any defiencies. I have taken dhea off and on for past 8 years but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > see what happens. I will either get 5 mg ti take for every day or take the > 25 mg i have every 5 days. Ok, keep us posted please? :-) If you have the gene for male pattern baldness, the testosterone conversion from the DHEA might set it off..... Oh, and don't discount amino acid deficiencies. Are you eating plenty of meat? Even tho' I'm low carbing, I was eating more fat than protein (calorie-wise) in an effort to speed up the fat loss. Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson The question about a blood test was funny. I would test for cancer at the same time I tested for low DHEA. If there is a slight chance it encourages cancer it's not worth the risk. Hair loss doesn't help. I have heard women go for balding men. Is that how it helps male sexual function? > The question about a blood test was funny. I would test for cancer at > the same time I tested for low DHEA. Which cancer would you check for? Actually, since he's over 40, he might want to know his serum PSA level and have a digital rectal exam as well. Clay T. Stacy, I believe the efficacy of supplemented DHEA varies widely because of different manufacturers. I don't know how much you know about it but DHEA is a precursor to various hormones eg. testosterone & estrogen. This is probably why you have been made irritable (increased testosterone) and hairloss may be from increased DHT? As I am not a doctor these are only my guesses and I don't presume to know it all about DHEA. A friend of mine, Stephen Cherniske, wrote a book called "The DHEA Breakthrough". It is very informative and although it was written in the late 90's Stephen was right on with his research. He continues to do anti-aging research and has written another book called "The Metabolic Plan". He is now the President and Chief Science Officer for Oasis Lifesciences. Oasis produces a product called Ageless Prime and it contains 2 forms of DHEA. The standard DHEA is only 7 mg and the other form (7-keto DHEA) is 15 mg. The difference and benefit of 7-keto DHEA over regular DHEA is it cannot convert to testosterone or estrogen. So you know that it is benefitting you in the way you want it to and won't synthesize into other hormones you may not need. If you want to check out their products you can follow this link: http://www.oasislifesciences.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id= 33&Itemid=59 I hope this helps you in your quest to be healthier! To order from Oasis you need to be referred by an independent associate and use their ID number. If you decide to order from them you can contact teamoasis@comcast.net and someone will be in touch with you quickly. >I have read that 25 or even up to 50 mg of DHEA is safe. Recently I've >read [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks |
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