 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2005Cabbage and Tunnel Carpal Sydrome
I have a leaky gut. One pecularity is that raw cabbage aggravates my Tunnel Carpal Syndrome. My wrist develops a numb/swollen sensation within an hour. Would anyone know what might cause this? Does cabbage contain a lectin (ie SnowDrop) to bind with sugars (ie Mannose) typically found on nerve myelin surfaces? Does the common cabbage already have this lectin or has it been genetically modified to reduces attack by pests? "I have a leaky gut." How do you know? This is not a recognized disorder by medical authorities. The syndrome you mention is thought to be physical stress related and not a biochemical related disorder. > I have a leaky gut. One pecularity is that raw cabbage aggravates my > Tunnel Carpal Syndrome. My wrist develops a numb/swollen sensation > within an hour. Would anyone know what might cause this? Swelling from a food alergy to cabage most likely. >Does cabbage > contain a lectin (ie SnowDrop) to bind with sugars (ie Mannose) > typically found on nerve myelin surfaces? Does the common cabbage > already have this lectin or has it been genetically modified to reduces > attack by pests? I would think the main problem is digestive juices leaking out to where they don't belong and triggering a variety of problems. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome may only be the most obvious. Have you been tested for Celiac? Karen > I have a leaky gut. One pecularity is that raw cabbage aggravates my > Tunnel Carpal Syndrome. My wrist develops a numb/swollen sensation [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > already have this lectin or has it been genetically modified to reduces > attack by pests? > I would think the main problem is digestive juices leaking out > to where they don't belong and triggering a variety of problems. I am not sure if I have any digestive juices left. Per monty's advice, I recently added two 650 mg Betaine HCl capsules with pepsin and they improved digestion, especially that of proteins. At three capsules, I feel a warm/cramp like sensation in my stomach. > Have you been tested for Celiac? No, but at this point I pretend I am, meaning no grains or milk. Those two are top offenders for me. Realize that the test for Celiac requires that you be consuming gluten when tested. If you stay off of grains and are tested, you'll get a false negative. And if you do have Celiac, staying off of grains then going back on to get tested will probably produce a much stronger reaction to gluten than you've had in the past. I'd get tested soon, IIWY. It'll give you and your doc a clearer picture of what you are dealing with. Just FYI, I took Prevacid for 5 years prior to my Celiac diagnosis but haven't needed it since I eliminated all gluten. But it had to be all gluten from the small amount of wheat in soy sauce to the Aim toothpaste in my medicine cabinet. Karen > > I would think the main problem is digestive juices leaking out > > to where they don't belong and triggering a variety of problems. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, but at this point I pretend I am, meaning no grains or milk. Those > two are top offenders for me. > Just FYI, I took Prevacid for 5 years prior to my Celiac diagnosis Did they test for Helicobacter Pylori (www.helico.com)? > but haven't needed it since I eliminated all gluten. What is your typical diet now? Do you have any problems eating grain-fed meat, poultry or fish? What are your safe foods? > But it had to be all gluten from the small amount of wheat in soy sauce Recently I traced a red dot on my finger back to SOY sauce also. It is amazing how small a quantity can provoke a response. > to the Aim toothpaste in my medicine cabinet. Oh no, not the toothpaste also! Incidently, I have noticed ants eating some brands of toothpaste. Toothpaste/Meal combo, now there's an idea for Procter & Gamble :) see below, responses marked with ### > > Just FYI, I took Prevacid for 5 years prior to my Celiac diagnosis > > Did they test for Helicobacter Pylori (www.helico.com)? ### No and not needed now. No gluten = no problems > > but haven't needed it since I eliminated all gluten. > > What is your typical diet now? Do you have any problems eating > grain-fed meat, poultry or fish? What are your safe foods? ### Now I eat anything and everything except wheat, rye, barley or oats. Grain fed meat etc. is not an issue. > > But it had to be all gluten from the small amount of wheat in soy sauce > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > some brands of toothpaste. Toothpaste/Meal combo, now there's an idea > for Procter & Gamble :) ### Yup, Celiacs even have to watch out for lip balm and lip stick. A little wheat germ oil can ruin your day. Karen How does the lipstick get into your stomache or intestines? > see below, responses marked with ### > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Karen When you lick your lips. I've had a gluten reaction when my hubby ate raisin bran and kissed me. And it took a lot of tracking on his part before I really believed that was what did it. If you're Celiac you don't just need gluten free food, you need a gluten free significant other (or at least one that diligently brushes their teeth after eating gluten). Karen > How does the lipstick get into your stomache or intestines? > > > see below, responses marked with ### ---snip--- > > > Oh no, not the toothpaste also! Incidently, I have noticed ants eating > > > some brands of toothpaste. Toothpaste/Meal combo, now there's an idea [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Karen > If you're Celiac you don't just need gluten free food, you need a gluten free significant other Hmm, I wonder if eHarmony has an checkbox for this option :) Do you notice any problems with milk? I am wondering if gluten from a cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk that you consume? >> When you lick your lips. I've had a gluten reaction when my >> hubby ate raisin bran and kissed me. [...] If you're Celiac >> you don't just need gluten free food, you need a gluten free >> significant other > Hmm, I wonder if eHarmony has an checkbox for this option :) It can get worse than that. Some food allergens are excreted in sperm, with the consequences you'd expect. (Yeasts and moulds are the most likely to cause problems this way; the usual scenario is when the man is a real ale buff and needs to use condoms after going to a beer festival). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 Ale... Sigh! That is one thing I really miss since the Celiac diagnosis. Guinness -- there _is_ no gluten free equivalent. Karen > >> When you lick your lips. I've had a gluten reaction when my > >> hubby ate raisin bran and kissed me. [...] If you're Celiac [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 > stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 Do you have reactions to gluten when you think about drinking beer too? > Ale... Sigh! That is one thing I really miss since the Celiac diagnosis. > Guinness -- there _is_ no gluten free equivalent. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 > 557 Think? No Drink? Yes Celiac reactions are not psychological, it's a physical immune system response. > Do you have reactions to gluten when you think about drinking beer too? > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 739 > > 557 The gluten protein doesn't seem to make it to the animal tissue or get into milk (cows aren't the only ones that eat wheat rye or barley). Good question though, I hadn't really extrapolated it out but I'm guessing tripe might be an issue. That's one item I've never seen mentioned on the Celiac no-no list. But not having tripe wouldn't be a major dietary loss (for me). I've only had it in pre-Celiac days in Mexican Menudo Soup or Vietnamese Pho Soup. Oh yeah, tripas tacos... but again, a long time ago. Karen > > If you're Celiac you don't just need gluten free food, you need a gluten free significant other > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk > that you consume? Remeber! Karen is the one that gets sick if her husband eats wheat during the day, before he gets home. > The gluten protein doesn't seem to make it to the animal tissue or get into > milk (cows aren't the only ones that eat wheat rye or barley). Good [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk > > that you consume? Only if he kisses me before brushing his teeth. The reaction is apparently fairly common. I read a warning about it in a recently published "Gluten Free Bible" by Jax Peters Lowell. > Remeber! Karen is the one that gets sick if her husband eats wheat during > the day, before he gets home. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk > > > that you consume? With all that poor absorption and lack nutrition uptake doesn't it cause mental psychological issues due to chemical imbalance? > Only if he kisses me before brushing his teeth. The reaction is apparently > fairly common. I read a warning about it in a recently published "Gluten [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk > > > > that you consume? Not if you do what you're supposed to do. > With all that poor absorption and lack nutrition uptake doesn't it cause > mental psychological issues due to chemical imbalance? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > cow's diet makes it into their milk? What is the quality of the milk > > > > > that you consume? Do you feel you may have physical or mental disorders from the long term effects of gluten ingestion? How many years did you consume it? > Not if you do what you're supposed to do. > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > milk > > > > > > that you consume? No, and I don't know of any Celiacs that do. Most of them become radically healthier once they aren't irritating their immune system on a regular basis. But if you really want to know more about it, check out Celiac.com. There's all kinds of info there. > Do you feel you may have physical or mental disorders from the long term > effects of gluten ingestion? [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > milk > > > > > > > that you consume? Funny, I thought you demonstrated an explosive personality jumping to conclusions in the alt.support.celiac NG and figured this may have been from some mental damage suffered in your ignorant years. > No, and I don't know of any Celiacs that do. Most of them become radically > healthier once they aren't irritating their immune system on a regular [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > > milk > > > > > > > > that you consume? Why, hello John P. Benji (aka Gymmy Bob). > Funny, I thought you demonstrated an explosive personality jumping to > conclusions in the alt.support.celiac NG and figured this may have been from [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "jaym1212" <jaym1212@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1122045477.927363.273710@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > If you're Celiac you don't just need gluten free food, you > > > need [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > milk > > > > > > > > > that you consume? You again? Why don't you take a long walk from a short pier with yur garbage? > Why, hello John P. Benji (aka Gymmy Bob). > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > > > milk > > > > > > > > > > that you consume? Why, hello John P. Benji (aka Gymmy Bob). > Funny, I thought you demonstrated an explosive personality jumping to > conclusions in the alt.support.celiac NG and figured this may have been from [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "jaym1212" <jaym1212@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1122045477.927363.273710@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > If you're Celiac you don't just need gluten free food, you > > > need [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > milk > > > > > > > > > that you consume? Well, all nice and dandy but IMVHO you guys/galls *really* need a quick read at some netiquette guide about posting and above all about quoting. There is absolutely no point in including a gazillion uncommented lines of text (below the message but that is open to opinion i think) I do not mean to be rude, really but it shure looks obnoxious/rude to me to ignore (written) rules on how to communicate in newsgroups quite so thoroughly. Yes, i could have addressed you in private but I hope some will take interest too and rethink their habits. :-) For your perusial: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html  SignatureI'll live forever or die trying Nope, you're quite correct -- sorry, should have snipped! I didn't notice how much was trailing. Any message with > > > > > > > > > at the end is way overdue for a pruning. Karen > Well, all nice and dandy but IMVHO you guys/galls *really* need a quick > read at some netiquette guide about posting and above all about quoting. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > For your perusial: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Nope, you're quite correct -- sorry, should have snipped! I didn't notice > how much was trailing. Any message with > > > > > > > > > at the end is way > overdue for a pruning. > > Karen Well, in hindsight I need to appologize, i was rushing in posting this and of course you are not required to adhere to netiquette (it helps in getting replies though and it's generall speaking not a bad idea to respect preset rules as soon as one is aware of them however) at any rate, have a nice day :-) Regards Curious SignatureI'll live forever or die trying The old "netiquette rules" that people make up also say not to top post. Why doesn't this apply to you or is it only the opinions you desire to apply? Show me some rules from Usenet. Can't? becaise there isn't any rules as a rule or Usenet. > Well, all nice and dandy but IMVHO you guys/galls *really* need a quick > read at some netiquette guide about posting and above all about quoting. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > For your perusial: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > The old "netiquette rules" that people make up also say not to top post. As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post perhaps? :-). As you'll notice i like inline quoting. > Why doesn't this apply to you or is it only the opinions you desire to > apply? I don't know what posting you do refer to but the one extensively doing TOFU and Top Post is you (hence the original insection in your discussion crossposted to the newsgroup I usually read :-)) so please compare apples and oranges. > Show me some rules from Usenet. Can't? becaise there isn't any rules as a > rule or Usenet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette As usual, the freedom of one person ends where another person's freedom begins hence I am of course totaly unable to obligue you to any form of behaviour or "rules" compliance even though I for one would enjoy your posts more if they were formated the way i have come to expect over the years :-). As of the tone of your reply paired with the intrinsic show of ability to relate and process what I meant I have however to resign my statement and let this place rejoin more fruitfull discussions. Still, i cannot resists asking you if the words "some learn from each and every thing, some learn from mistakes and some already know everything" ring a bell. Anyway, all the best to you and have a nice day. Regards Curious SignatureI'll live forever or die trying My point was, and still is, that you like to throw around "Netiquette" whilst breaking many of the recommended "rules" made up by the paranoid posters and Usenet control freaks. I, myself, prefer top posting, HTML and other forms you may not approve of but since many other prefer top posting and it functions much better than separating the headers from the respective poster's text I will continue to top post as it is much more polite, easier to read, less critical to edit, and more likely to be read by others. Have a nice one. > > The old "netiquette rules" that people make up also say not to top post. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Regards > Curious ">> "I have a leaky gut." > How do you know? Based on personal experimentation o time I kept detailed dietary logs, general reactions to various foods." So you are guessing you have a disorder which is not recognised in medicine. You first assume you have it and then self diagnos to confirm what likely doesn't exist and then self medicate to follow the dubious steps above. This is a perfect setup for the anecdotal based placebo effect, it would be hard to find a more perfect example. "Another name for "Leaky Gut Syndrome" for the person who believes it is not medically recognized, is called MALABSORPTION. The presentation of malabsorption, from a medical standpoint is certainly somewhat different, but its really talking about the very same thing as leaky gut syndrome." No, it means that substances are not passing the gut membrane into the blood, quite oppisite from what the "leaky gut" folk claim but have yet to demonstrate in a manner that has acceptance in science. It is a dubious reality for which those who proclaim it are happy to sell solutions. It falls into a large group of same among those folk who make all manner of claims for which they can not provide support and who squeal loudest that their paranoia is the best explanation for it not being so accepted. A search on medline got 20 hits for "leaky gut". A fair summary of those abstracts is that it is at best a hypothetical conclusion that has yet to be shown yet in any meaningful way,ie. it is a theory whose reality is imagined but not demonstrated. By comparison, a search for "malabsorption" got 23994 hits, but recall it means the oppisite of the claimed disorder. Who chopped up your cabbage for you? Zee > I have a leaky gut. One pecularity is that raw cabbage aggravates my > Tunnel Carpal Syndrome. My wrist develops a numb/swollen sensation [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > already have this lectin or has it been genetically modified to reduces > attack by pests? > Who chopped up your cabbage for you? I did. I don't trust the Green Giant to do it for me :) Below PubMed Abstract indicats human milk has anitibodies for gliadin. Since gliadin in found in many grains, doesn't this indicate that humans shouldn't eat much grains? Gliadin-specific IgA antibodies in breast milk. Breast-feeding helps to protect against coeliac disease because of the presence of antigliadin-IgA antibodies (AGA-IgA) in breast milk... PMID: 11092234 Is it possible gripping the knife and chopping the cabbage, and other tasks using hand-grip is what's causing your problem? Some days, I can barely hold a toothbrush, or my hair brush. I rarely use a mouse, but substitute keyboard. Relevant to your question with grains: no. I eat a very high carb, complex carb whole grain, mostly plant protein diet. I'm built that way; as is the rest of my family mostly high performance athletes. But if you're not... Zee > > Who chopped up your cabbage for you? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > PMID: 11092234 > Is it possible gripping the knife and chopping the cabbage, and other > tasks using hand-grip is what's causing your problem? Some days, I can > barely hold a toothbrush, or my hair brush. I rarely use a mouse, but > substitute keyboard. At one time, the most significant factor was from typing and mousing. After reaching a point of not being able to type for more than 15 minutes, I was forced to take a break for several years. I recovered to a certian point but now I have noticed that diet is a big factor. Some fruits and veggies, ie cabbage and watermelon, seem to bring on the numbness. I suspect these foods have been genetically modified to include lectins which increase resistance to insects. These lectins frequently attach to a common sugar named mannose. Supposedly mannose in prominent in the outter covering of nerves. I suspect, with my gut being leaky, these lectins are attaching to my nerves resulting in inflammation. > Relevant to your question with grains: no. I eat a very high carb, > complex carb whole grain, mostly plant protein diet. I'm built that > way; as is the rest of my family mostly high performance athletes. But > if you're not... Apparently, the equation for health varys from person to person, time to time, and grain is but one factor, that may or may not be significant for a specific individual. In my current case, one tsp of cooked whole wheat grains results in a red dot on my finger the next morning and lasts for several days :( Do you drink aloe vera juice? I know of people with similar problems that have tried aloe and it worked for them. Not just any aloe though. Aloecorp is the world's largest producer of aloe and they make a product that concentrates the active polysaccharide fraction (50,000-100,000 Daltons). I used to have problems with my bowels also and since using the aloe I have no problems. Dave >> Is it possible gripping the knife and chopping the cabbage, and other >> tasks using hand-grip is what's causing your problem? Some days, I can [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > cooked whole wheat grains results in a red dot on my finger the next > morning and lasts for several days :( > Do you drink aloe vera juice? I know of people with similar problems that > have tried aloe and it worked for them. Not just any aloe though. Aloecorp > is the world's largest producer of aloe and they make a product that > concentrates the active polysaccharide fraction (50,000-100,000 Daltons). > I used to have problems with my bowels also and since using the aloe I have > no problems. Tell me more about Aloecorp and their aloe vera. Where is it sold? Interesting. Cabbage brings on gall bladder problems also. This is probably related to your system trying to balance the pH after ingestion for both problems. > > Is it possible gripping the knife and chopping the cabbage, and other > > tasks using hand-grip is what's causing your problem? Some days, I can [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > cooked whole wheat grains results in a red dot on my finger the next > morning and lasts for several days :( > Interesting. Cabbage brings on gall bladder problems also. This is probably related to your system trying to balance the pH after ingestion for both problems. What should I be doing to correct the problem? (Currently I am mainly eating salads, low-carb steamed veggies, beans and a bunch of different digestive aids) >> Cabbage brings on gall bladder problems also. This is probably >> related to your system trying to balance the pH after ingestion >> for both problems. > What should I be doing to correct the problem? Nothing. No such problem exists. It's crank medicine. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 If you are eating all cooked veggies then that is one of the problems with pH response. A cooked veggie brings an acidic response and a raw one usually brings an alkaline response. Try warm water with pure, fresh lemon juiced squeezed into it each morning. Try sodium bicarbonate (1/8 teaspoon) each day at 10 AM and 4 PM. (not with or close to food intake) See a Naturopathic Doctor and get away from the "normal ones" that do not work for you. They do not understand this process at all from what I have seen. NO sugar intake. Use honey. As Karen suggested, get off the gluten for a few weeks and see what happens. Sounds too familiar. Never eat unripened fruit, always ripe. My guess is you are blood type O and should be eating beef, but not pork. Typical type O problem. www.dadamo.com > > Interesting. Cabbage brings on gall bladder problems also. This is probably related to your system trying to balance the pH after ingestion for both problems. > What should I be doing to correct the problem? (Currently I am mainly > eating salads, low-carb steamed veggies, beans and a bunch of different > digestive aids) |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.