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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2005Drinking Egg Yolks?
Is that still being done? How about egg whites? They really have no taste at all, but they pack a great wallop of protein...would it be okay/safe/wise to just gulp them down like milk in the morning? Or must they be cooked? I'm talking about those Egg Beaters and such, the liquid egg whites in a little carton...I bought a bunch of 'em on sale but discover that I have to be more of a chef than I care to be in order to actually enjoy chewing them. Is it all right to skip the cooking and just slurp them quickly down? > How about egg whites? They really have no taste at all, but they pack > a great wallop of protein...would it be okay/safe/wise to just gulp [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is it all right to skip the cooking and just slurp them quickly down? I hope so: we've been putting them in our smoothies for years. GWC >> How about egg whites? They really have no taste at all, but they pack >> a great wallop of protein...would it be okay/safe/wise to just gulp [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I hope so: we've been putting them in our smoothies for years. this is a VERY old question. odds are good that you'll be OK. the responders that say they are OK are working with n=1. statistically not so valid. in a big population, given enough time and consumers, some folk will get sick and die. i wouldn't want to be one of them. ...thehick I wouldn't want to be in need of a toilet on the bus after breakfast, for example! > this is a VERY old question. odds are good that you'll be OK. > the responders that say they are OK are working with n=1. > statistically not so valid. in a big population, given enough > time and consumers, some folk will get sick and die. > i wouldn't want to be one of them. > ...thehick > I wouldn't want to be in need of a toilet on the bus after breakfast, > for example! IME, it takes about 8 hours to get sick from Salmonella... I've only had it once. ;-) I still eat raw eggs........ Been eating them for over 20 years and only got sick once.  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > Is that still being done? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is it all right to skip the cooking and just slurp them quickly down? COMMENT: The Egg Beaters are a lot safer than raw egg, being pasteurized. Plain raw eggs have a tiny risk of giving you salmonella. This is inside the egg, so you can't wash it off. Most healthy people will get away with it. A few with the wrong immune systems won't. Does the risk from cooking the egg thoroughly (yolk solid), and oxidizing the cholesterol, outweigh the tiny risk from salmonella if you eat it soft boiled, sunny side up, or just plain raw, so you DON'T oxidize the cholesterol? No doubt that depends on your coronary artery disease risk, vs. how good your immune system is. If you have any question about the trade-off, just drink the Egg Beaters. It will have less salmonella (even raw), and NO cholesterol. SBH >Plain raw eggs have a tiny risk of giving you salmonella. This is inside the egg, so you can't wash it off.> If you are informed, you'd know eggs have a HUGE amount of salmonella in them. Also if you saw the egg expose on TV you'd have seen them repackaging eggs that were long outdated. You take your life in your hands eating sunnyside up, nevermind raw. > >Plain raw eggs have a tiny risk of giving you salmonella. This is > inside the egg, so you can't wash it off.> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > repackaging eggs that were long outdated. You take your life in your > hands eating sunnyside up, nevermind raw. COMMENT: I said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg sunnyside up, is probably literally true. But trite. You take your life in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what? SBH > said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg sunnyside up, is probably literally true. But trite. You take your life in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what?> You are very poorly informed. About 1 in 3 eggs contains salmonella. Eating them raw is dangerous. A significantly more dangerous practice than going for a ride. > in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what?> > > You are very poorly informed. About 1 in 3 eggs contains salmonella. > Eating them raw is dangerous. A significantly more dangerous practice > than going for a ride. Just curious how those bodybuilders ever managed...(this was a '70s thing, right?). >> in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what?> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Just curious how those bodybuilders ever managed...(this was a '70s >thing, right?). In the 70's, the egg factories were smaller, and used less antibiotics. Salmonella IN eggs was rare. > >> in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what?> > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In the 70's, the egg factories were smaller, and used less antibiotics. > Salmonella IN eggs was rare. It still is....... I've eaten literally hundreds of raw and runny yolked eggs in my life. I'm 43. I've only had Salmonella once, and that was from a damaged/cracked egg from my own birds! My housemate gathered them that day. I did not realize the egg had been cracked in the nest, not during the washing process. It had undetected chicken fecal contamination and I should have been paying better attention. When _I_ gather eggs, any damaged egg is destroyed immediately by tossing out into the middle of the henyard to smash on the ground. I've NEVER gotten Salmonella from a raw commercial egg. It's probably more rare now than it was in the 70's. I bet my life on it nearly every day. My new ER co-pay is $100.00 per visit. :-P SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >It's probably more rare now than it was in the 70's.> I snipped your other crap. Sorry, you are dead wrong. You must be reading literature by the egg manufacturers. >> said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. > The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Eating them raw is dangerous. A significantly more dangerous practice > than going for a ride. The folks who raise and sell "Country Hen" eggs state Can I use raw eggs in cooking? We have had our barns tested by the state for about 7 years now, and have been salmonella free. Feel free to use our eggs in any kind of cooking. We make a mean eggnog here at the farm. See our section on recipes for that one. You can find their website http://www.countryhen.com/ George W. Chery > >> said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. > > The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > George W. Chery Over the last 20 years or so, the salmonella content of eggs has been seriously reduced IIRC. 20 years ago, you were playing russian roulette, today you would be hitting the lottery. Not the lottery you want to hit mind you. Hard to find a study like this in the US (I am not going to take the time to search); however, if you buy your eggs in Poland, you're safe: International Journal of Food Microbiology Volume 64, Issues 1-2 , 28 February 2001, Pages 189-191 Occurrence of Salmonella spp. in consumption eggs in Poland Mieczysaw Radkowski Warmia and Masuria University at Olsztyn, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Department of Animal Products Hygiene,10-957 Olsztyn, Kortowo II, Poland Received 17 December 1999; revised 18 July 2000; accepted 10 August 2000. Available online 13 February 2001. Abstract The purpose of this study was to determine the prevalence of Salmonellae on egg shells in markets in Olsztyn, Poland. An investigation carried out by the Sanitary and Epidemiological Station into cases of food poisoning caused in Poland by Salmonella spp. in recent years showed that the largest number of outbreaks is connected with consuming foods containing hens eggs which had not undergone heat treatment, such as mayonnaise, creams, ice-cream and other products. The world egg production amounts to 400 billion, in Poland it reaches the level of around 8 billion per year. A total of 1200 eggs were purchased in 40 local markets in Olsztyn were examined for the presence of Salmonella between June 1997 and December 1998. Salmonella was not found on the shell or inside the eggs. From this study it would appear that the incidence of Salmonellae on eggs from Olsztyn shops is very low. Says they, and of course you believe them because they have no ulterior motives. Not to mention it's irrelavant to the rest of america who eat rggs from the main producers, not from a family run store. >> said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. >>The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg >>sunnyside up, is probably literally true. But trite. You take your life >>in your hands when you go on a Sunday drive. So what? > >You are very poorly informed. About 1 in 3 eggs contains salmonella. References, pleas. > > said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. > The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Eating them raw is dangerous. A significantly more dangerous practice > than going for a ride. I think the USDA disagrees: International Journal of Food Microbiology Volume 61, Issue 1 , 1 October 2000, Pages 51-62 Published by Elsevier Science B.V. Estimating the annual fraction of eggs contaminated with Salmonella enteritidis in the United States Eric Ebel,and Wayne Schlosser USDA, Food Safety and Inspection Service, Washington, DC, USA Received 26 January 2000; revised 11 March 2000; accepted 5 June 2000. Available online 11 September 2000. Abstract Using available data on the occurrence of Salmonella enteritidis (SE) in US layer flocks and eggs, and a probabilistic scenario tree method, an estimate of the fraction of SE-contaminated eggs produced annually is derived with attendant uncertainty. In lieu of a definitive prevalence survey, the approach presented here provides insight to the relative contribution of various pathways leading to contaminated eggs. A Monte Carlo model with four branches is developed. The first branch predicts the proportion of all US flocks that are SE-affected. The second branch apportions SE-affected flocks into three categories (high, moderate, and low level affected flocks) based on population-adjusted epidemiologic data. The third branch predicts the proportion of affected flocks that are molted and producing eggs during a high risk period subsequent to molt. The fourth branch predicts the fraction of contaminated eggs produced by flocks of the type described by the pathway (e.g. high level affected flocks that are not molted) based on egg sampling evidence from naturally infected flocks. The model is simulated to account for uncertainty in the data used to estimate the branch probabilities. Correlation analysis is used to estimate the sensitivity of model output to various model inputs. The output of this model is an uncertainty distribution for the fraction of all eggs that are SE-contaminated during 1 year of production in the US. The expected value of this distribution is approximately one SE-affected egg in every 20000 eggs annually produced, and the 90% certainty interval is between one SE-contaminated egg in 30000 eggs, and one SE-contaminated egg in 12000 eggs. The model estimates that an average of 14% of all eggs (i.e. contaminated and not contaminated) from affected flocks are produced by high level, non-molted affected flocks, but these flocks are estimated to account for more than two-thirds of the total fraction of contaminated eggs produced annually. Sensitivity analysis also suggests that the proportion of affected flocks that are high level flocks - and the egg contamination frequency for these types of flocks - are the most sensitive model inputs. The model's pathways provide a framework for evaluating interventions to reduce the number of contaminated eggs produced in the US. Furthermore, sensitivity analysis of the model identifies those inputs whose uncertainty is most influential on the model's output. Future farm-level research priorities can be established on the basis of this analysis, but public policy decisions require a fuller exposure assessment and dose-response analysis to account for microbial growth dynamics, meal preparation, and consumption demographics among US egg consumers. SignatureDr. Dickie More to come... > > said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. > The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Eating them raw is dangerous. A significantly more dangerous practice > than going for a ride. COMMENT: Statistics, please? People killed by salmonella each year (we'll charitably assume ALL are caused by raw egg) vs. people killed in autos? Hope the shock doesn't harm you. SBH > lancearmstr@gmail.com wrote: >> > said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > charitably assume ALL are caused by raw egg) vs. people killed in > autos? Hope the shock doesn't harm you. Doc, you're talking to one of our (MFW's) most prolific, juvenile, trolls. Not that SMN doesn't have it's own <clearing throat> John Godhe</>, but, there you go. David > Doc, you're talking to one of our (MFW's) most prolific, juvenile, trolls. > > Not that SMN doesn't have it's own <clearing throat> John Godhe</>, but, > there you go. > > David COMMENT: Ah. Thank you. It's worth trying to teach the ignorant. Sometimes it's even worth trying to teach the stupid. But trolls are another matter. SBH >Doc, you're talking to one of our (MFW's) most prolific, juvenile, trolls.> Who is also occasionally right. >> > said you have a tiny risk of salmonella, and that is correct. >> The idea that you take your life in your hands when you eat an egg [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > SBH About 15 or so year ago in the UK, a few people. This sold a lot of newspapers and meant that getting a soft-boiled egg was impossible at a B&B I stayed at in 1990. To put this in perspective, in the second half of 2002 there were six outbreak of notified Salmonella illness, including 350 cases and 2 deaths. There have been suggestions that Spanish eggs are involved, but this is not clear. Good practice includes discarding cracked eggs, pasteurised eggs for light or uncooked courses, and normal kitchen hygiene (to avoid cross-contamination). http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=50776-salmonella-slashed-by This notes 1 in 290 cartons (six eggs) were positive for Salmonella. A lot less than 1 in 3. T. >Statistics, please? People killed by salmonella each year (we'll charitably assume ALL are caused by raw egg) vs. people killed in autos?> How stupid can you get? It's irrelevant. Gee, how many people die (nobody mentioned only deaths) from salmonella eggs vs gunshot deaths? >>Plain raw eggs have a tiny risk of giving you salmonella. This is > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > repackaging eggs that were long outdated. You take your life in your > hands eating sunnyside up, nevermind raw. I don't know what the TV says, but I eat anywhere from 3 - 9 eggs a day with the yolks as runny as I can get them and I am fine. I also eat 1 - 3 cans of tuna a day and I am fine. Question, If you don't eat raw eggs, do you eat Mayonaise, which has raw eggs in it. --Falooley >I don't know what the TV says, but I eat anywhere from 3 - 9 eggs a day with the yolks as runny as I can get them and I am fine. I also eat 1 - 3 cans of tuna a day and I am fine.> Says you, but you won't live long. >>Is that still being done? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Plain raw eggs have a tiny risk of giving you salmonella. This is > inside the egg, so you can't wash it off. I read several times that salmonella is only found on the outer surface of the shell not inside the egg - provided the egg shell have not been cracked. Thus washing the egg under a stream of water while rubbing the surface should lower the possibility of getting sick. SignatureDawid Michalczyk http://www.art.eonworks.com - Art and Illustration I have read that on the East Coast 1 in 10,000 eggs has salmonella, and that it is usually the yolk that is contaminated. Eggs are safer on the West Coast. > Is that still being done? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Is it all right to skip the cooking and just slurp them quickly down? > I have read that on the East Coast 1 in 10,000 eggs has salmonella, and that > it is usually the yolk that is contaminated. Eggs are safer on the West > Coast. Everything's better out West... In article <KG3Ee.464251$cg1.129841@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > > I have read that on the East Coast 1 in 10,000 eggs has salmonella, and > that > > it is usually the yolk that is contaminated. Eggs are safer on the West > > Coast. > > Everything's better out West... And even better down south... SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > In article > <KG3Ee.464251$cg1.129841@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And even better down south... I was stationed in Shreveport, LA for 4 years and lived in Houston for 2. I will never live in the South again. IMO, it sucks. > > In article > > <KG3Ee.464251$cg1.129841@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I was stationed in Shreveport, LA for 4 years and lived in Houston for 2. I > will never live in the South again. IMO, it sucks. Houston sux. The hill country does not... I'm surprised you hated Shreveport! The surrounding area is a hunters paradise. I love the south. No snow to shovel every winter! We used to live in Denver. ;-) SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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