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Are we told to calculate our calories?

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whyisthis@myself.com - 05 Jul 2005 14:04 GMT
We're told that excess calories contribute to weight gain.

Why is the government/dietetics association not pushing us to calculate
our calorie consumption? Shouldn't we be making a diet log of
everything we eat to insure we're not consuming excess calories
according to our lifestyle?
Mr-Natural-Health - 05 Jul 2005 14:45 GMT
> Why is the government/dietetics association not pushing us to calculate
> our calorie consumption?

I don't calculate my calorie consumption and I don't have a weight
problem.

I, however, know when to stop eating. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.
RBR - 12 Jul 2005 07:19 GMT
>> Why is the government/dietetics association not pushing us to calculate
>> our calorie consumption?
>
>I don't calculate my calorie consumption and I don't have a weight
>problem.

Just that thick layer of fat between your ears.

>I, however, know when to stop eating. :)

If only you knew when to shut up. :(

>Just thought that you might want to know.

Actually, no!

RBR
MMu - 05 Jul 2005 14:48 GMT
> We're told that excess calories contribute to weight gain.
>
> Why is the government/dietetics association not pushing us to calculate
> our calorie consumption? Shouldn't we be making a diet log of
> everything we eat to insure we're not consuming excess calories
> according to our lifestyle?

no.

1) counting calories needs a lot of compliance over a long time; most people
don't have that kind of self-discipline.

2) most people know which foods are rich in calories and which are low in
calories anyway.
many people have no problem maintaining a certain weight because they know
what, and in what ammounts to eat.

3) counting calories suggests that you can actually exactly calculate a "i
won't get fat" treshhold.. this is not the case; there too many factors with
big variations (individual BMR/MET, digestion/availability factors,
difference between averaged foods in tables and actual food bought, hormonal
status, influence of food contents on metabolism etc.) to calculate
something down to a single kcal.

.. for people who have no idea of general ammounts of calories they eat it
might help to have them make a log.. but for most people all they lack is
some motivation, a few good tips on healthy food alternatives and self
discipline.
Jim Chinnis - 05 Jul 2005 18:32 GMT
whyisthis@myself.com wrote in part:

>Shouldn't we be making a diet log of
>everything we eat to insure we're not consuming excess calories
>according to our lifestyle?

Making a log doesn't itself change how one eats.
--
Jim Chinnis  Warrenton, Virginia, USA  jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
Enrico C - 05 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT
> whyisthis@myself.com wrote in part:
>
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>
> Making a log doesn't itself change how one eats.

Well, not by "itself", but it can be used in a feedback mechanism, if the
log makes you realize how much calories, and fat, and carbs, and so on...
you are actually eating.

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Enrico C

MMu - 06 Jul 2005 13:53 GMT
> whyisthis@myself.com wrote in part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> --
> Jim Chinnis  Warrenton, Virginia, USA  jchinnis@alum.mit.edu

actually it does.. and this is why it presents a problem factor for studies
based on such.
seeing, black on white, what you ate the whole day on a list does have an
impact on your diet if you are considering to loose weight.
Dr Tomato - 12 Jul 2005 08:39 GMT
> We're told that excess calories contribute to weight gain.
>
> Why is the government/dietetics association not pushing us to calculate
> our calorie consumption? Shouldn't we be making a diet log of
> everything we eat to insure we're not consuming excess calories
> according to our lifestyle?

Weight Watchers uses points, which is simpler and leads to a pattern of reasonable eating.
Laurie - 05 Aug 2005 00:18 GMT
> We're told that excess calories contribute to weight gain.
   That is nonsense.
   Calories are energy, and have NO weight.
   One does not eat calories; one does not "burn" calories
   The term, calorie, is used incorrectly in contemporary nutribabble.
http://www.ecologos.org/obese.htm
http://www.ecologos.org/pcf.htm
http://www.ecologos.org/ex.htm

   Laurie
Ben Fullerton - 07 Aug 2005 12:34 GMT
: > We're told that excess calories contribute to weight gain.
:     That is nonsense.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: http://www.ecologos.org/pcf.htm
: http://www.ecologos.org/ex.htm

:     Laurie

On the other hand .......

Quoting "Webster's Desk dictionary of the English Language" -

Calorie
1. The amount of heat needed to raise the temperature of one gram of
water by 1 deg C (small calorie), or of one kilogram of water by 1 deg C
(large calorie).
2. A unit equal to the large calorie, used to express the heat output of
an organism and THE FUEL OR ENERGY VALUE OF FOOD. [EMPHASIS added].

Dictionaries are such wonderful things ... for people who are open minded
enough to use them.  :-)

Ben F.
Laurie - 15 Aug 2005 04:57 GMT
> Quoting "Webster's Desk dictionary of the English Language" -
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Dictionaries are such wonderful things ... for people who are open minded
> enough to use them.  :-)
   Dictionaries, however, are not biochemistry texts,  so are totally
useless for that purpose.  Strange you missed that in biochem class.
   Instead of juvenile chicanery, why don't you craft a credible refutation
of what I wrote?  Can't find one in the dictionary?

   Laurie
 
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