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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2005Re: Question about Supplements
>> Hi, I had a scan (can't remember what is has called, but is was to >> measure intolerances)..., anyway the therapist said I needed to start >> taking Vitamin B Complex, Evening Primrose Oil and a fish oil >> supplement. Like an idiot I paid the £90 and left without asking any >> probing questions ---- maybe I was right royally keen on starting the >> new regime straight away, which included blowing £100 on 3-months >> supply of these items. > The obvious question here is what kind of scan was it, and what kind of > therapist was it? There's a lot of kinesiology-based allergy testing > out there. It's sheer quackery, and, unsurprisingly, they tend to find > that everyone is loaded with allergies :) I had some tests by a "doctor" and he found all kinds of things missing in my body. He basically wanted to have me supplement things like statins, beta-blockers, ACE inhibitors, Aspirin, prilosec, and something else I can't remember (hard to spell some of those things). I don't have a weight problem, and I eat very healthy meals, so I don't understand why I should be deficient in all those things? I talked to some people who take stuff like this every day, and they are all sick. I don't want to end up they like them. Should I see another doctor? I had some tests by a "doctor" and he found all kinds of things missing in my body. He basically wanted to have me supplement things like statins, beta-blockers, ACE inhibitors, Aspirin, prilosec, and something else I can't remember (hard to spell some of those things). I don't have a weight problem, and I eat very healthy meals, so I don't understand why I should be deficient in all those things? I talked to some people who take stuff like this every day, and they are all sick. I don't want to end up they like them. Should I see another doctor? COMMENT: That depends, oh Zweiback, Zwala, Zee, Zeebra, Zoster, Zooexibit. Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? If so, skepticism might prevail until you get a second opinion. In the same way as it does when a lawyer recommends you go to court, or a mechanic recommends you get major engine work done. And of course, you quite free to take no preventive medications at all, including ACE inhibitors. When you blow a radiator hose in your head, though, we don't want to hear whining about it. I suppose you won't be able to help the usual "Nuh!, nuh!, huh!!" that you hear coming out of the offices of speech therapists treating aphasia., but you can motion to them with your left hand to close the door. And BTW, how many pseudo-names are you going to make me killfile, Outrider? I'm beginning to be reminded of Gohde, who was so convinced his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his crap whether we wanted to or not. He kind of reminded me of drug advertising on TV, inasmuch as there's no possible setting on the V-chip you can use to turn it off. (Soft porn yes, ads no). I think he had himself confused with the national emergency broadcast system. And so do you. SBH You are becoming a complete a.shole >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris' cryonics employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several ASM posters fighting off HARRIS trying to sell them LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION (www.lef.org link scientific advisors) supplements and ... oh in case the the LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION supplements don't work....HARRIS' HEAD HACKING service? Try it. You'll like it. Oh and to fill in the time, Google "head, Dora Kent". See if you can get past the third para without falling off your chair laffin'. > You are becoming a complete a.shole > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help. > Becoming? You've not read the posting history on ALCOR Harris' cryonics > employers, the conversations in alt.support.menopause between several [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate. I refuse to believe freezing dogs while they are alive is science. Harris earns his living that way. I refuse to think it's ethical to take money from dying people and tell them after their dead and their heads have been removed and frozen, their heads will be thawed out and they'll be returned to life sometime, soon's Harris' figures it out. There's drama here Pizza Girl. Even an "indian" like me can figure this one out... > WTF are you on about? You're a sick puppy. Seek help. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they were complete morons anyway. > I'm the "indian" Harris loves to hate. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > > > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? The embalming fluid is probably dairy products. It's so full of preservatives it would actually work without the freezing. Quit while I am a head? > If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they > were complete morons anyway. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells > supplements? Oh that is a good one. We can laff....but he's getting away with it. Sad to say. Zee > Oh that is a good one. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Zee His day will come......sooner or later. He's already regarded as the Dr. Mengele of the Newsgroups. I knew I could count on you to bring logic to this. Thengku. Zee (not zwieback) > If the heads have been drinking milk then it is completely OK because they > were complete morons anyway. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells > supplements? > You are becoming a complete a.shole You, OTOH, have already long since reached that pinnacle. Pastorio >>>Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average >>>chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? Stick around I've had waaaay too much caffeine... Zee > > You are becoming a complete a.shole > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >>>Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > >>>chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? Tell Harris I'm going to post this and the one from the New York Times where he is QUOTED defending this head hacking everytime he takes my name in vain. I'm a student of writing. I love the way the reporter backs into the lede here. He doesn't drop it on us until the third paragraph. Honest to gawd I can't get past that third para without busting out laffin. Our esteemed scientist....this is Harris' alma mater. Oh and the ASM thread you want is Meno Marketeers 1997 CORONER DROPS DEMAND FOR DORA KENT'S HEAD http://www.alcor.org/cryonics/cryonics8812.txt The Press-Enterprise The Riverside County coroner's office has dropped its demand for the head of Dora Kent. The death of the 83-year-old woman a year ago prompted a criminal investigation after the woman's son had her head frozen in hopes of someday bringing her to life. The son, Saul Kent of Riverside, later sued Coroner Raymond L. Carrilloin Riverside Superior Court to bar him from seizing, thawing, and performing an autopsy on the head. Thawing the head, he said, would kill hopes of reviving the head and putting it on a new body. Kent, 49, a longtime advocate of the fledgling science of cryonic suspension of dead people, said his mother wanted to be frozen after her death. Cryonicists say people who are put in subzero storage shortly after death might be revived someday when science finds a way to do it. Most scientists call cryonics fantasy. In a settlement of Kent's suit against the coroner Nov. 10, the coroner agreed to abandon his demand that the head be produced for an autopsy. In exchange, Saul Kent gave up his fight to get the county to pay his $25,600 in attorneys fees and dropped the suit. Now that the suit has been settled, one of many mysteries in the case remains: Where is Dora Kent's head? The head, frozen at 320 degrees below zero and placed in a casing, was removed from Alcor Life Extension Foundation's lab before coroner investigators searched the Riverside lab looking for the head in January. If he knows, Saul Kent's not saying. "I don't want to comment on that," he said yesterday from his home in the Woodcrest area. Kent declined to discuss other aspects of the case, saying police and district attorney investigators are still looking at the death for possible criminal charges. Alcor officials say the woman's head was severed after her death from pneumonia on Dec. 11. Coroner officials concluded the woman died from a lethal dose of barbiturates, drugs pumped into her body to prepare her to be frozen. Alcor officials have insisted that she was dead when the drugs were pumped in. Los Angeles attorney Christopher Ashworth, who represented Saul Kent in the suit against the coroner, said Kent won the case because he got exactly what he wanted -- an order barring the coroner from removing the head. In addition, the coroner is barred from removing the frozen remains of eight other people at the Alcor facility, Ashworth said. Pamela J. Anderson, a Riverside deputy counsel, said the corner officials agreed to settle because they no longer sought the head for autopsy. In court papers, Carrillo said his office's involvement in the probe has ended and "I have no intention at this time nor at any time in the future of thawing out . . . the remains of Dora Kent." Meanwhile, the criminal investigation continues into the death and the role of Alcor personnel in freezing the head. Investigators are trying to find out whether the death was murder. Alcor, founded in 1972, has 100 members worldwide and for a fee of $35,000 to $100,000, will freeze and store heads and bodies at its facility. Assistant District Attorney Randall K. Tagami on Tuesday declined to comment on the investigation. He said the agreement barring the coroner from seizing the head would have no effect on the investigation. "A civil order could not prevent the acquisition of evidence in a criminal proceeding," said Tagami. Whether police even need the head any longer is unclear, he said. The investigation focuses on a dozen people present when Kent's head was removed and frozen by Alcor. Among them are: Saul Kent, Michael Federowicz, former president of Alcor; Jerry D. Leaf, a research associate in the division of thoracic surgery of UCLA School of Medicine, who surgically removed the head; Carlos Mondragon, Alcor president; and Hugh Hixon. Gerald D. Polis, a Riverside attorney who represents Alcor members, declined to comment on the investigation yesterday, except to say, "Nobody has been charged and nobody has been arrested." > You are becoming a complete a.shole > > >> Was the doctor selling these drugs out of his office like the average > > chiropractor or "alternative health practitioner" sells supplements? It ain't me. I'm not Zwieback. But I do like this system where you killfile me, and I can say whatever I like but you don't read it. Zee: outrider@despammed.com > I had some tests by a "doctor" and he found all kinds of things > missing in my body. He basically wanted to have me supplement [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > SBH > I'm beginning to be reminded of Gohde, who was so convinced You kind of remind me of an A-Hole physican. Ah! That is because you are both an Arse and a physician. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Just thought that you might want to know. :) > his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up > with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his crap whether we > wanted to or not. I have not changed my email address in a couple of years. Suffering from senility? With obseravational skills like you have, please give your patients my condolences. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Oh! I am sorry Ice Cube. All your patients left you long ago. That is why you are now only doing stupid research. Tell me doctor, how can a doctor, doctor when he doesn't doctor? Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Oh! I know know. When the doc is an Arse like you. Just my opinion, but I am right as usual. :) > his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up > with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his crap whether we > wanted to or not. I have not changed my email address in a couple of years. Suffering from senility? COMMENT: I said "used to." Which you did. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/messages/2557bcc5aa36ee00,264c087d52 bda192,47aee4d62453a47e,1c7df8a77259f350,a4b33cac36d6b15c,7c276eb7b84dcbb1,84683 314a335ddba,6b39b6c115c7fe66,c3b429fd7bdd4e1e,43209d149f74d173?hl=en&thread_id=2 28681562dd87bee&view=thread&noheader=1&q=john+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition&_don e=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.med%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F228681562dd87bee%2F84683314a335ddba %3Fq%3Djohn+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition%26rnum%3D7%26hl%3Den%26# LOL Pot kettle black Harris. Not so very long ago you were posting on one of the AIDS groups (trolling for heads?) using a woman's name until they flamed you for "posting in drag". > > his opinions were necessary to the human race, that he used to come up > > with another pseudonym weekly, to ensure we'd read his crap whether we [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.med/messages/2557bcc5aa36ee00,264c087d52 bda192,47aee4d62453a47e,1c7df8a77259f350,a4b33cac36d6b15c,7c276eb7b84dcbb1,84683 314a335ddba,6b39b6c115c7fe66,c3b429fd7bdd4e1e,43209d149f74d173?hl=en&thread_id=2 28681562dd87bee&view=thread&noheader=1&q=john+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition&_don e=%2Fgroup%2Fsci.med%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F228681562dd87bee%2F84683314a335ddba %3Fq%3Djohn+*+man+group:sci.med.nutrition%26rnum%3D7%26hl%3Den%26# > COMMENT: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SBH Yes - but is taking ACE inhibitors the ONLY way to prevent that? What if taking potassium, or magnesium, or calcium (etc) would serve the same purpose? Would I have to see a different doctor for that? The dilemma seems to be that those "natural" practitioners use the same justification as you - except they would blame it on NOT taking specific supplements that would appear to have the same preventive effect. When I walk through hospital wards, I see all these sick people waste away despite willingly (or not so willingly) taking these wonder drugs, (many of them targeted to lessen the adverse effects of the other drugs), and in the end, instead of "blowing a hose in the head," they blow a gasket in the liver, kidneys, or gut. I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other, and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement therapy (insulin...). I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs, or through ignorance. ---Zwieback > > COMMENT: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What if taking potassium, or magnesium, or calcium (etc) would serve > the same purpose? Would I have to see a different doctor for that? Why see anyone? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder? What and where is the deliemma here? > The dilemma seems to be that those "natural" practitioners use the > same justification as you - except they would blame it on NOT taking > specific supplements that would appear to have the same preventive > effect. You have two opposite views so pick one. > When I walk through hospital wards, I see all these sick people waste > away despite willingly (or not so willingly) taking these wonder drugs, > (many of them targeted to lessen the adverse effects of the other drugs), > and in the end, instead of "blowing a hose in the head," they blow a > gasket in the liver, kidneys, or gut. Not to mention hospital acquired infections and accidental medical error deaths. So don't go to one. End of deliemma. You don't need excuses not to go to a hospital. If you don't want to go then don't. I am not going to treat you like a baby and tell you why you should go to a hospital. If you don't see the benefits then don't. You are an adult. > I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other, > and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those > suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement > therapy (insulin...). I think the alternative people have won your arguement and I am very displeased to not see you in the hospital I work in. > I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following > their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same > rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs, > or through ignorance. ---Zwieback Good observation so then there is no dilemma. Hospital food is bad. "Zwieback" <zwieback@nospam.net> wrote in part: >I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other, >and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those >suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement >therapy (insulin...). Check MedLine. Set Limits to show clinical or randomized trials. >I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following >their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same >rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs, >or through ignorance. ---Zwieback Chance and genetics (chance again) are the most powerful determinants. After that is probably lifestyle. But I wouldn't swap medical science for alternative medicine. Had I done so, I probably would not have survived childhood and certainly would not have survived a blown heart valve (and thrived!) at age 44. You place your bets and you take your chances. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu "Zwieback" wrote in message news:42cae8db$1_1@news.cybersurf.net... > > COMMENT: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What if taking potassium, or magnesium, or calcium (etc) would serve > the same purpose? Would I have to see a different doctor for that? Why see anyone? Do you suffer from anxiety disorder? What and where is the deliemma here? > The dilemma seems to be that those "natural" practitioners use the > same justification as you - except they would blame it on NOT taking > specific supplements that would appear to have the same preventive > effect. You have two opposite views so pick one. > When I walk through hospital wards, I see all these sick people waste > away despite willingly (or not so willingly) taking these wonder drugs, > (many of them targeted to lessen the adverse effects of the other drugs), > and in the end, instead of "blowing a hose in the head," they blow a > gasket in the liver, kidneys, or gut. Not to mention hospital acquired infections and accidental medical error deaths. So don't go to one. End of deliemma. You don't need excuses not to go to a hospital. If you don't want to go then don't. I am not going to treat you like a baby and tell you why you should go to a hospital. If you don't see the benefits then don't. You are an adult. > I am trying to find out the advantage of one group over the other, > and so far, there does not seem to be clear winner outside of those > suffering from insufficiency-types of conditions, requiring replacement > therapy (insulin...). I think the alternative people have won your arguement and I am very displeased to not see you in the hospital I work in. > I didn't need to look too far to realize that medical people, following > their own (orthodox) advice, seem to expire at close to, or the same > rate as those who try to resolve their medical situations without drugs, > or through ignorance. ---Zwieback Good observation so then there is no dilemma. Hospital food is bad. Here is a discussion that may shed some light: http://www.vitaletherapeutics.org/immunecf.htm |
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