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Enrico C - 01 Jul 2005 16:20 GMT
I am trying to understand if there is some truth in the acid-base diet
theory. I've been reading different opinions on the net.

Anyway, I see there are studies on Pubnet about acid-base balance in diet.
What do you make of this article, for instance?

http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/1051
The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 6 June 1998, pp. 1051-1053
Excess Dietary Protein Can Adversely Affect Bone1,2

Uriel S. Barzel3 and Linda K. Massey*, 4

Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, Department of Medicine,
Montefiore Medical Center and The Albert Einstein College of Medicine,
Bronx, NY 10467 and * Food Science and Human Nutrition, Washington State
University, Spokane, WA 99201

      ABSTRACT
The average American diet, which is high in protein and low in fruits and
vegetables, generates a large amount of acid, mainly as sulfates and
phosphates. The kidneys respond to this dietary acid challenge with net
acid excretion, as well as ammonium and titratable acid excretion.
Concurrently, the skeleton supplies buffer by active resorption of bone.
Indeed, calciuria is directly related to net acid excretion. Different food
proteins differ greatly in their potential acid load, and therefore in
their acidogenic effect. A diet high in acid-ash proteins causes excessive
calcium loss because of its acidogenic content. The addition of exogenous
buffers, as chemical salts or as fruits and vegetables, to a high protein
diet results in a less acid urine, a reduction in net acid excretion,
reduced ammonium and titratable acid excretion, and decreased calciuria.
Bone resorption may be halted, and bone accretion may actually occur.
Alkali buffers, whether chemical salts or dietary fruits and vegetables
high in potassium, reverse acid-induced obligatory urinary calcium loss. We
conclude that excessive dietary protein from foods with high potential
renal acid load adversely affects bone, unless buffered by the consumption
of alkali-rich foods or supplements.
KEY WORDS: humans · protein · bone · acid · potassium

This paper will discuss the effects of dietary protein on acid-base
metabolism and ultimately on urinary calcium and bone. Although important,
heredity, exercise and dietary calcium and phosphate per se will not be
considered. Because the factors discussed are not related to sex hormones,
findings apply equally to both genders.

Bone is a very large ion exchange buffer system. Green and Kleeman (1991)
reported that 80% of total body carbonate is in the hydration shell, the
water surrounding bone, as are 80% of citrate and 35% of sodium, which can
serve to buffer excess acid. Ninety-nine percent of the calcium is in bone.
Bone responds to acid by an acellular, physicochemical reaction with the
rapid release of carbonate, citrate and sodium from the hydration shell. In
response to chronic acid stress such as is imposed by an acid-ash diet,
cellular responses mobilize bone and calcium as a buffer.

An acid-ash diet is a diet that creates acid in the process of its
metabolism. The average American diet, which is high in protein and low in
fruits and vegetable, can generate over 100 mEq of acid daily, mainly as
phosphate and sulfate (Remer and Manz 1994). Acid generated by diet is
excreted in the urine. Foods such as fish and meat have a high potential
renal acid load (PRAL) (Table 1). Many grain products and cheeses also have
a high PRAL. In contrast, milk and non-cheese dairy products such as yogurt
have a low PRAL. Fruits and vegetables have a negative PRAL, which means
that they supply alkali-ash.


View this table:
http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content-nw/full/128/6/1051/T1

     Table 1. Average potential renal acid loads (PRAL) of certain food
groups and combined foods1

An example of a food product that yields high levels of acid for the body
to dispose of is a cola drink. Phosphoric acid is one of the ingredients
listed on the cola container. The pH of cola is ~3.0, ranging from 2.8 to
3.2. The human kidney can excrete urine with a pH no lower than 5. If one
ingests and fully absorbs a beverage with a pH of 3, one has to dilute it
100-fold to achieve a urinary pH of 5. Thus, a can containing 330 mL of
cola would result in 33 L of urine! This does not happen because the body
buffers the acid of the soft drink. For full buffering, 1 L of cola
requires some four tablets of Tums, which contain 16 mEq of carbonate as
the calcium salt.

A relevant comparison of the metabolic effects of acid phosphate and
neutral phosphate was published by Lau et al. (1979). Young healthy adults
consumed identical diets plus 2 g of phosphate, either acidic or neutral.
The total phosphate ingested was identical, but the acid phosphate group
ingested an excess of 24 mEq H+. Net urinary acid and calcium excretion
were measured. Urinary calcium excretion per day was 52 mg greater in
subjects consuming acid phosphate than in those ingesting neutral
phosphate. Clearly, it is not how much phosphate is consumed that affects
urinary calcium, but whether it is in a chemically neutral or acid form.

Similar findings were reported by Breslau et al. (1988). They compared
vegetarian, ovovegetarian and animal protein diets. Although total protein,
phosphorus, sodium, potassium and calcium content of all of these diets was
not different, the animal protein diet contained 6.8 mmol more sulfate.
Urinary pH was more acidic, 6.17 vs. 6.55, and net acid excretion was 27
mEq/d higher in those consuming the animal protein diet; both urinary
phosphate and sulfate were higher. Daily urinary calcium was 47 mg higher
when those young adults were consuming an animal protein diet vs. the
vegetarian diet.

The effect of a higher protein, acid-ash diet has also been shown in
elderly people who participated in a study in which they ate 0.8 or 2 g
protein/kg body weight (Licata et al. 1981). Urinary calcium nearly doubled
with the higher protein diet, increasing from 90 ± 17 to 171 ± 22 mg/d.
Calcium balance was positive (+40 ± 35 mg/d) when subjects consumed the low
protein diet but negative (-64 ± 35 mg/d) when they consumed the high
protein diet.

Recently, Appel et al. (1997) reported the effect of a high fruit and
vegetable diet in an 8-wk study of >350 people. Dietary protein was a
constant percentage of energy, whereas dietary calcium was somewhat lower
in the control diet (443 vs. 534 mg/d), and dietary potassium and magnesium
were higher in the experimental diet (4700 vs. 1700 mg/d and 423 vs. 176
mg/d, respectively). An increase in fruit and vegetable intake from 3.6 to
9.5 daily servings decreased urinary calcium from 157 ± 7 to 110 ± 7 mg/d,
a drop of 47 ± 6 mg/d, whereas urinary calcium of controls dropped only 14
± 6 mg/d. This was not an effect of salt, because urinary sodium decreased
by only 232 mg/d (7%) in the intervention group, and increased by 142 mg/d
(5%) in the control group. Fruits and vegetables are the major source of
buffer in the diet (Table 1).

Population studies further confirm the effect of urinary acidity on urinary
calcium excretion. Hu et al. (1993) studied women in five different Chinese
counties. Urinary calcium excretion was lower when the urine was more
alkaline; more acidic urine was associated with a higher urinary calcium.

Strong evidence that the effects of high protein diets are mediated through
changes in acid-base balance comes from studies in which the acid loads of
dietary protein are neutralized with bicarbonate. Only two studies with
this design have been published to date. Lutz (1984) supplemented a high
protein diet (102 g) with bicarbonate and looked at the effect on urinary
calcium and calcium balance. Subjects were in negative calcium balance
while consuming 102 g protein/d, but the bicarbonate supplement decreased
urinary calcium by 66 mg/d and balance was slightly positive. Subjects had
similar calcium balances when consuming either the high protein (102 g)
diet plus bicarbonate or a moderate protein (44 g) diet. A more elaborate
study was conducted by Sebastian et al. (1994) who studied a 96-g protein
diet in women. During KHCO3 supplementation, urinary calcium fell and
calcium balance was more positive.

A study in adult rats assessed bone formation and resorption by
microradiography (Barzel and Jowsey 1969). Rats fed ammonium chloride for 1
y had increased resorption of bone and decreased amounts of femoral bone,
~15-20%. A similar effect was also seen when the rats consumed a low
calcium diet. Bone resorption was increased in rats consuming ammonium
chloride regardless of the calcium content of the diet, and total bone was
smaller than in the controls fed the same diet. Rats fed a low calcium diet
who received bicarbonate experienced high bone formation and deposited
about the same amount of bone content as rats fed a regular calcium diet.
Ammonium chloride as a source of acid caused bone resorption and decreased
total bone, whereas bicarbonate increased bone formation and increased
total bone, thus protecting the rat's skeleton from the negative effects of
a low calcium diet. More recently, the effects of acid ingestion on rat
bones were duplicated with histomorphometry and bone markers by Myburgh et
al. (1989).

Overall, these studies show us that the effects of adding buffer to a high
protein diet are as follows: 1) urine pH falls; 2) urinary net acid
excretion, titratable acidity and ammonia excretion decrease; 3) calciuria
decreases; and 4) total bone increases. On the other hand, when the body is
challenged with a dietary acid load, the kidneys excrete more acidic urine,
and the organism also turns to the skeleton for additional buffer.

The long-term consequence of a small change in calcium balance is
substantial. A 50-mg increase in urinary calcium loss per day will result
in a 18.25-g loss per year, or 365 g over 20 y. Because the average adult
female skeleton contains 750 g calcium at its peak, this is a loss of one
half of total skeletal stores! For a male with a store of 1000 g calcium,
this is about one third of the total.

Both Bushinsky (1996) and Arnett and Sakhaee (1996) have documented that
osteoclasts and osteoblasts respond independently to small changes in pH in
the culture media in which they are growing. A small drop in pH causes a
tremendous burst in bone resorption. Sebastian et al. (1994) noted small
changes in blood pH and CO2 levels that would be considered within the
normal range during the potassium supplementation described above, but
would be sufficient to affect bone metabolism.

Dietary salt is known to affect urinary calcium excretion. It is generally
poorly appreciated that the anion accompanying sodium is important to the
overall effect of salt on calcium metabolism (Massey and Whiting 1996).
When Berkelhammer et al. (1988) replaced sodium chloride with equimolar
sodium acetate in patients receiving total parenteral nutrition who had
marked hypercalciuria, urinary calcium decreased markedly and calcium
balance became positive. The blood pH was 7.37 with sodium chloride and
7.46 with sodium acetate. It was the chloride or acetate, not the sodium,
that determined the blood pH and the degree of urinary calcium excretion.
They confirmed observations by others that urinary calcium paralleled total
acid excretion.

The effects of dietary protein may be greater as we age. Aging kidneys
cannot generate ammonium ions and excrete hydrogen ions as well as young
kidneys do. High dietary acidity yields a lower blood pH in the elderly
(Frassetto et al. 1996). In fact, a review of the literature reveals that
older people have higher blood H+ and lower blood bicarbonate (Frasetto and
Sebastian 1996). Parathyroid hormone (PTH) levels are higher in older
adults. PTH influences plasma CO2 as well as plasma phosphate levels; the
total buffering capacity is decreased when PTH is elevated (Barzel 1981).
Overall, we can conclude that the elderly have decreased renal ability to
excrete free acid, as well as elevated PTH, both of which promote acidosis.
Therefore, the elderly may be more sensitive to the effect of acidic diets,
and this would mean that they require more buffer than younger people for
the same dietary acid load. When the elderly are given supplements of
calcium citrate, lactate or carbonate, it is not the calcium but the
accompanying anion that benefits their bones. Over time, it is the balance
of dietary acid and base that determines calcium balance; remember that
different food sources of protein differ greatly in their acidogenic
effects (Remer and Manz 1995).

Bone and mineral investigators should look at acid-base effects of diet and
use appropriate methods to quantitate these effects. The 24-h urine
collection in a metabolic unit as part of total calcium balance measurement
is the gold standard of acid-base research. The 24-h collection of urine in
an ambulatory setting, as used by Appel et al. (1997), is a second choice
method. Hu et al. (1993) used a 12-h, overnight collection in a community
study. Another approach to evaluate the acid-base effect of a diet is to
quantitate the net acid content of each dietary item (Remer and Manz 1995).
There is also a need to develop convenient methods for quantitating urinary
acid excretion. A possible simplified approach could be based on key
dietary and urinary components. For example, Frassetto et al. (1997) found
that the dietary protein to potassium ratio predicts net acid excretion.
Net renal acid excretion, in turn, predicts urinary calcium excretion.

In summary, a diet high in acid-ash protein causes excessive urinary
calcium loss because of its acid content; calciuria is directly related to
urinary net acid excretion. Alkali buffers, whether chemical salts or
dietary fruits and vegetables, reverse this urinary calcium loss.

Overall, the evidence leaves little doubt that excess acidity will create a
reduction in total bone substance. This is normal physiology---not
pathology. This is a mechanism of Homo sapiens to protect himself against
acidosis. The ability to buffer the acidosis of starvation or a high meat
diet gave a survival advantage in a hunter-gatherer society. Modern peoples
are now eating high protein, acid-ash diets and losing their bones. The
study by Appel et al. (1997) shows that increasing buffering capacity by
increasing fruit and vegetable intake is a practical way to counteract the
acidity generated by the dietary protein, reduce calciuria and consequently
improve calcium balance.

      FOOTNOTES
1   Presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Society for Bone and
Mineral Research, September 10, 1997, Cincinnati, OH.
2   The costs of publication of this article were defrayed in part by the
payment of page charges. This article must therefore be hereby marked
"advertisement" in accordance with 18 USC section 1734 solely to indicate
this fact.
3   To whom reprint requests should be addressed.
4   To whom correspondence should be addressed.

Manuscript received 27 January 1998. Revision accepted 9 March 1998.

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Susan - 01 Jul 2005 22:07 GMT
> I am trying to understand if there is some truth in the acid-base diet
> theory. I've been reading different opinions on the net.
>
> Anyway, I see there are studies on Pubnet about acid-base balance in diet.
> What do you make of this article, for instance?

It's been disproven many times over.

Susan
Enrico C - 01 Jul 2005 22:37 GMT
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:07:46 -0400, Susan wrote in
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sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio.food-science :

> x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> It's been disproven many times over.

You mean the content of that article has been disproven?

> http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/1051
> The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 6 June 1998, pp. 1051-1053
> Excess Dietary Protein Can Adversely Affect Bone1,2
>
> Uriel S. Barzel3 and Linda K. Massey*, 4

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Susan - 01 Jul 2005 23:25 GMT
> You mean the content of that article has been disproven?

Sorry, I'm in severe dental pain, and am not taking time with my posts.

The assertions about the impacts of protein have been rebutted by quite
 a few studies.

Susan
Enrico C - 01 Jul 2005 23:42 GMT
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:25:44 -0400, Susan wrote in
<news:3ilu75Fm0srmU1@individual.net> on
sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio.food-science :

> x-no-archive: yes
>
>> You mean the content of that article has been disproven?
>
> Sorry, I'm in severe dental pain, and am not taking time with my posts.

No probl :)

> The assertions about the impacts of protein have been rebutted by quite
>   a few studies.

Well, I agree that's an hypothetis, not a "fact".
Yet, it seems to me some recent studies confirm it...

Here is one, for instance...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=15691900&query_hl=9

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Feb 3; [Epub ahead of print]

Amino acid supplementation alters bone metabolism during simulated
weightlessness.

Zwart SR, Davis-Street JE, Paddon-Jones D, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR, Smith SM.

Human Adaptation and Countermeasures, NASA Johnson Space Center, Houston,
TX, USA.

High-protein and acidogenic diets induce hypercalciuria. Foods or
supplements with excess sulfur-containing amino acids increase endogenous
sulfuric acid production, and therefore have the potential to increase
calcium excretion and alter bone metabolism. In this study, effects of an
amino acid/carbohydrate supplement on bone resorption were examined during
bed rest. Thirteen subjects were divided at random into 2 groups: a control
group (CON, n = 6) and an amino acid/carbohydrate supplemented group (AA, n
= 7) who consumed an extra 49.5 g essential amino acids and 90 g
carbohydrate per day for 28 d. Urine was collected for ntelopeptide (NTX),
deoxypyridinoline (DPD), calcium, and pH determinations. Bone mineral
content (BMC) was determined and potential renal acid load (PRAL) was
calculated. Bonespecific alkaline phosphatase (BSAP) was measured in serum
samples collected on day 1 (immediately before bed rest) and on day 28.
PRAL was higher in the AA group than in the CON group during bed rest (P <
0.05). For all subjects, during bed rest urinary NTX and DPD concentrations
were greater than pre-bed rest levels (P < 0.05). Urinary NTX and DPD
tended to be higher in the AA group (P = 0.073 and P = 0.056,
respectively). During bed rest, urinary calcium was greater than baseline
levels (P < 0.05) in the AA group but not the CON group. Total BMC was
lower after bed rest than before bed rest in the AA group but not the CON
group (P < 0.05). During bed rest, urinary pH decreased (P < 0.05), and was
lower in the AA group than the CON group. These data suggest that bone
resorption increased, without changes in bone formation, in the AA group.

PMID: 15691900 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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Jeff - 02 Jul 2005 13:47 GMT
>I am trying to understand if there is some truth in the acid-base diet
> theory. I've been reading different opinions on the net.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The Journal of Nutrition Vol. 128 No. 6 June 1998, pp. 1051-1053
> Excess Dietary Protein Can Adversely Affect Bone1,2

The acid-base diet has been disprove. Humans evolved in such a way that they
can have a very varied diet. We have kidneys that are excrete acid (or base)
to keep our acid/base balance in check.

The acid/base diet, IMHO, is total crap.

Jeff
Enrico C - 02 Jul 2005 14:33 GMT
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:47:37 GMT, Jeff wrote in
<news:J1wxe.2288$aY6.601@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> on
sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio.food-science :

>>I am trying to understand if there is some truth in the acid-base diet
>> theory. I've been reading different opinions on the net.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> The acid-base diet has been disprove.

I see there are lots of web sites about "acid-base diet", and my impression
was that there is some (at least) inaccurate information on the topic.

Yet, I read a few studies on Pubmed bringing proofs to the hypothesis of a
link between high protein diets, renal PRAL, and calcium loss in bones.

> Humans evolved in such a way that they
> can have a very varied diet.

No doubt, imho.
Yet a healthy diet has to be "balanced", hasn't it?
not too much of this, not too little of that...

We all try and balance our diet in terms of calories, protein, fat, carbs,
fiber, glycemic load, contents in vitamins,, and so on...

My simple question is: should we care and balance our diet in terms of PRAL
as well?

> We have kidneys that are excrete acid (or base)
> to keep our acid/base balance in check.

Fine, but how do they achieve that result?
Don't they need some calcium in the process, getting it from bones, if
needed?

http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/1051
[...]
"The kidneys respond to this dietary acid challenge with net acid
excretion, as well as ammonium and titratable acid excretion. Concurrently,
the skeleton supplies buffer by active resorption of bone. Indeed,
calciuria is directly related to net acid excretion. Different food
proteins differ greatly in their potential acid load, and therefore in
their acidogenic effect. A diet high in acid-ash proteins causes excessive
calcium loss because of its acidogenic content.

> The acid/base diet, IMHO, is total crap.

Some references?

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Enrico C - 02 Jul 2005 15:04 GMT
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:33:15 +0200, Enrico C wrote in
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sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio.food-science :

> On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:47:37 GMT, Jeff wrote in
> <news:J1wxe.2288$aY6.601@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> on
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> Some references?

Here is a "contrary" study, for instance.

Even they say "The role of dietary protein in bone metabolism is
controversial.", though, and show some prudence in their conclusions.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/77/6/1517

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 77, No. 6, 1517-1525, June
2003
© 2003 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
ORIGINAL RESEARCH COMMUNICATION
Protein intake: effects on bone mineral density and the rate of bone loss
in elderly women1,2,3,4
Prema B Rapuri, J Christopher Gallagher and Vera Haynatzka

1 From the Bone Metabolism Unit (PBR and JCG), Creighton University, School
of Medicine (VH), Omaha.

2 Presented at the 23rd Annual Meeting of the American Society for Bone and
Mineral Research, Phoenix, AZ, October 12-16, 2001.

3 Supported by research grants UO1-AG10373 and RO1-AG10358 from the
National Institutes of Health.

4 Address reprint requests to PB Rapuri, Bone Metabolism Unit, Creighton
University, School of Medicine, 601 North 30th Street, Room 6718, Omaha, NE
68131. E-mail: thiyyari@creighton.edu.


Background: The role of dietary protein in bone metabolism is
controversial.

Objective: We investigated the associations of dietary protein intake with
baseline bone mineral density (BMD) and the rate of bone loss over 3 y in
postmenopausal elderly women.

Design: Women aged 65-77 y (n = 489) were enrolled in an osteoporosis
intervention trial. We studied the associations of protein intake as a
percentage of energy with baseline BMD and the rate of bone loss in 96
women in the placebo group (n = 96). We also examined the effect of the
interaction of dietary calcium intake with protein intake on BMD.

Results: In the cross-sectional study, a higher intake of protein was
associated with higher BMD. BMD was significantly higher (P < 0.05) in the
spine (7%), midradius (6%), and total body (5%) in subjects in the highest
quartile of protein intake than in those in the lower 2 quartiles. This
positive association was seen in women with calcium intakes > 408 mg/d.
There was no significant effect of protein intake on hip BMD. In the
longitudinal study of the placebo group, there was no association between
protein intake and the rate of bone loss.

Conclusions: The highest quartile of protein intake (: 72 g/d) was
associated with higher BMD in elderly women at baseline only when the
calcium intake exceeded 408 mg/d. In the longitudinal study, no association
was seen between protein intake and the rate of bone loss, perhaps because
the sample size was too small or the follow-up period of 3 y was not long
enough to detect changes.

Key Words: WORDS Protein * bone mineral density * bone loss * calcium
intake * bone markers * calciotropic hormones * elderly * parathyroid
hormone

ABSTRACT

The relation between dietary protein intake and bone metabolism is
controversial, and questions about this relation are unresolved. Excess
dietary protein was shown to cause urinary calcium loss, negative calcium
balance, and bone loss in young and elderly men and women, and these
effects are mainly attributable to high acid load from metabolism of animal
protein (1-11). It has been proposed that bone buffers the excess acid
load, which results in urinary calcium loss that leads to reduced bone
mineral content and bone mass (12). The type of dietary protein has also
been suggested to play a role, but the results of studies on this aspect
remain unclear (13-19). At the other end of the spectrum, protein
undernutrition is suspected to be a risk factor for bone loss and
osteoporosis. There is convincing evidence from the literature that
indicates that low protein intake is associated with low bone mineral
density (BMD) (20-23) and greater fracture risk (24, 25). Studies of
protein supplementation after hip fracture in the elderly further
substantiate the importance of adequate protein intake in bone biology
(26-28).

The relations of dietary protein intake with BMD and bone loss in
postmenopausal women and the elderly, who have the highest risk of
developing osteoporosis, are not very clear. Among cross-sectional studies,
some showed a positive association between protein intake and BMD (20-22,
29, 30), whereas others did not find any such association (23, 31-34).
There are few longitudinal studies that examined the relation between
dietary protein intake and bone loss in postmenopausal women and the
elderly, and the results of these studies are conflicting. Freudenhiem et
al (32) and Hannan et al (18) reported that higher protein intake is
associated with lower rates of bone loss, whereas Nordin and Polley (35)
and, more recently, Sellmeyer et al (15) reported contrasting results.
Studies examining the association between dietary protein intake and
fracture risk also reported conflicting observations (14-16, 19, 26, 27).

Dietary calcium was shown to influence the association between dietary
protein and BMD by some researchers (17, 19, 36-39) but not by others (21).
Promislow et al (17) reported that under conditions of low calcium intake,
increasing protein intake increased BMD. On the other hand, Dawson-Hughes
and Harris (38) reported that in elderly subjects supplemented with calcium
and vitamin D, dietary protein was inversely associated with the rate of
bone loss. Feskanich et al (19) and Meyer et al (39) observed a positive
association between protein intake and fracture risk when calcium intake
was < 540 mg/d. In contrast, Kerstetter et al (21) reported that the
association between dietary protein intake and BMD is not related to
calcium intake.

In the present study, we examined the association at baseline between
different dietary protein intakes and bone metabolism in postmenopausal
elderly women. Furthermore, in women receiving the placebo treatment, we
prospectively studied whether different baseline protein intakes influence
the rate of bone loss and changes in biochemical markers. In addition, we
examined whether dietary calcium intake influences the associations of
protein intake with BMD, biochemical variables, and the rate of bone loss
in both the population studied cross-sectionally and the population studied
longitudinally.
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Jeff - 03 Jul 2005 22:25 GMT
(...)

> No doubt, imho.
> Yet a healthy diet has to be "balanced", hasn't it?
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> PRAL
> as well?

If you consider that humans evolved with a wide variety of diets and eat a
wide varieties of diets all over the world, as long as we don't eat too much
and we eat a variety of foods, we should be ok.

>> We have kidneys that are excrete acid (or base)
>> to keep our acid/base balance in check.
>
> Fine, but how do they achieve that result?
> Don't they need some calcium in the process, getting it from bones, if
> needed?

You need to eat calcium, either supplements like Tums or food rich in
calcium.

Jeff

> http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/1051
> [...]
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Enrico C - 07 Jul 2005 03:16 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:25:01 GMT, Jeff wrote in
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sci.med.nutrition,sci.bio.food-science :

> (...)
>
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>
> Jeff

Do you mean one would need some extra calcium to adequately buffer a very
acidific diet (for instance a diet with lots of meat, cheese, coke, and no
vegetables)?

>> http://www.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/6/1051
>> [...]
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>>
>> Some references?

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Pizza Girl. - 07 Jul 2005 03:31 GMT
Calcium doesn't work very well for an antiacid. Magnesium, potassium and
sodium do. Bi-carbonate forms work very well timed with the body's cycles.

> On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:25:01 GMT, Jeff wrote in
> <news:NIYxe.15647$pa3.1013@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> on
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MattLB - 08 Jul 2005 13:18 GMT
> Calcium doesn't work very well for an antiacid. Magnesium, potassium and
> sodium do.

None of them do since none of them can combine with a hydrogen ion.
It's the other part of the salt that has the antacid activity.

MattLB
 
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