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amanda - 12 Dec 2003 19:18 GMT I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower. Actually, I need it hot even in summer. I think that it is the heat that wears me out. I have starting making a point of adjusting the water temperature to not as hot once my body warms up enough.
Same thing with exercise. If I do exercise in the morning, I get very tired. It seemed to me that my muscles do not get warm enough to do that activity. No amount of warming upt he muslces firt would not work. If I do it in mid afetrnoon or late afetrnoon, I am OK.
By the way, my feet gets really cold (sometimes even when I am hot in summer and need A/C blasting). It has always been that way. I do not have iron deficeincy. I read about tissue irrigated disorder a while back and I just assume that in my case, the blood circulation didn't reach all the area well. Oh..my hand cannot handle holding cold items for long. I don't drink cold drinks anayway. i always ask *without ice* in restaurants. If the weather is hot, I would ask to put ice only a little bit. I can't drink cold drink either. I prefer warm milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do not eat regularly.
Capitalist Pig - 12 Dec 2003 22:45 GMT >By the way, my feet gets really cold Maybe you need to boost your thyroid?
amanda - 12 Dec 2003 23:48 GMT > I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really > tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do > not eat regularly. I meant to ask .. whether anyone know whether here is something I could take.
michael - 13 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline
amanda - 14 Dec 2003 17:18 GMT > try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to > exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or > you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to > your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline Thanks.
Ear Rings - 25 Dec 2003 03:19 GMT L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline
> > try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to > > exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or > > you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to > > your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline > > Thanks. amanda - 03 Jan 2004 17:34 GMT > L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline Sorry I haven't checked in for along time. What did you mean by the above?
> > dragonschild011001@yahoo.com (michael) wrote in message > news:<f9e40390.0312122021.5ae541b1@posting.google.com>... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Thanks. Ear Rings - 04 Jan 2004 00:13 GMT read below in my previous post.
> > L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > > > Thanks. anon - 13 Dec 2003 11:02 GMT OK, your problems sound similar to mine. Let me suggest a few things.
Keep in mind that you're not likely to suffer from any single one of them. Pick one and start eliminating them. It's important you educate yourself about each in order to pick the appropriate doctor to visit. Internists and GPs aren't likely to be as helpful as I'm being. Also, do not expect much from an endocrinologist if you ask them about, say, TMJ. Many doctors do not believe that the problems other specialists treat exist or can produce overlapping symptoms.
First, you may have a metabolic disorder. Check all of your vitamin, mineral and enzyme levels to see that they're normal. You might simply be low in magnesium, zinc, vitamin C, a B or something.
You could have a thyroid disorder. Get your levels of T3, T4, reuptake, antibodies, etc. checked.
You may be suffering from some sort of poisoning. Get a metals challenge test at the toxicologist.
It's not uncommon for any of the above items to affect the circulation and nerve function in your limbs. Any of these can affect the way you sleep and how well you feel in the morning.
You could have diabetes or some sort of glucose tolerance problem. This can affect your peripheral nerves.
You could have some sort of adrenal/cortisol issue.
You might suffer from TMJ or thoracic outlet syndrome. These joint disorders can produce chronic stress signals and affect peripheral circulation and also impinge on your nerves.
You could have an infection.
While you may never get a positive diagnosis, you may find that several things which work on, say, diabetic neuropathy will also help you (for instance, low level laser therapy).
Yeast & intestinal dysbiosis
http://www.candidapage.com http://www.ephca.com/ca_mys.htm http://www.howdyneighbor.com/jbayliss http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/yeast-l.html (Yeast-L archives) http://www.yeastconnection.com http://www.acam.org/doctorsearch.php http://www.drz.org/asp/conditions/candida.asp http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNW89CandidaComplex.htm http://www.richardsfamilyhealth.com/navpages/environmentalillness.html http://www.richardsfamilyhealth.com/navpages/allergies.html http://www.mayo.edu/comm/mcr/news_773.html
Proper Nutrition
http://www.nutrition.org http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/tripping.html http://www.mercola.com/2000/june/10/trans_fats.htm http://www.paleodiet.com http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-def-symptoms.htm <http://www.dietsexercise.com/autism-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-diso rder-ADHD-2.htm> http://www.dadamo.com
Mycoplasmas:
http://www.naturalhealthconsult.com/Mycoplasma.html http://www.immed.org/illness/infectious_disease_research.html
Mercury amalgams/dental surgery
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/mercury.html http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/ http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/2/mercury_autism.htm http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/CheckForHg.html http://www.algonet.se/~leif/AmFAQk00.html http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html http://www.amalgam.org http://www.autism.com/ari/mercurylong.html <http://web.archive.org/web/20011031004558/http://home.online.no/~dusan/d ental/root_canal.html> http://www.bioprobe.com/biocalex/article.asp?article_id=14 http://www.dmpsbackfire.com http://home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr4.html (neurotoxicity of metals) http://www.testfoundation.org/
Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue/Hypercoagulation
http://www.hemex.com http://www.fmnetnews.com http://www.chronicfatigue.about.com http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/DocLocator.html http://www.co-cure.org/Good-Doc.htm http://www.sover.net/~devstar/provider.htm http://www.immunesupport.com http://www.radiantrecovery.com
Metabolic lab work
Great Smokies (http://www.gsdl.com/) Metamatrix (http://www.metametrix.com/) Doctor's Data (http://www.doctorsdata.com) [You can often find local doctors who specialize in these issues by getting a list of professionals who use these services.]
Thyroid/glandular issues
http://thyroid.about.com http://www.thyroid-info.com http://www.endocrineweb.com http://www.hairloss-research.org (see the protocol section) http://www.fred.net/slowup/habul44.html
General and specific medical information
http://www.google.com (type your symptoms in; you may be surprised) http://medlineplus.gov/ http://my.webmd.com/index http://www.nih.gov/ http://www.nci.nih.gov/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi (PubMed abstract database) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=books (archived biomedical books) http://www.pubmed.gov/ http://www.invisibledisabilities.com/websites.htm http://www.medscape.com http://www.NewsRx.com http://www.pdrhealth.com http://www.grouppekurosawa.com http://www.newscientist.com http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/default.stm http://www.newhope.com http://www.nature.com/nature http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/headlines.htm
TMJ/Sleep Apnea/bruxism/trigger points
http://www.aacfp.org http://www.aahnfp.org http://www.tmj.org http://www.drshankland.com <drwes@drshankland.com> http://www.nidr.nih.gov http://www.talkingaboutsleep.com http://www.patashley.com/apnea/csa.html http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4752 http://www.thesleepsite.com http://www.sleepapnea.org http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOclinical.html http://www.users.skynet.be/occlusion/main21nih.html (TMD overview) http://www.facial-neuralgia.org http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic366.html http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic25.html http://www.whiplash-injury.com/cervicalstrain.cfm http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/10/01/03.html & 08/10/24.html http://www.myopain.org http://www.tmjcare.net/tmj.html http://www.lymphoedema.org.au/lymphoed.htm http://www.DrJimBoyd.com http://www.nti-tss.com/
Low Level Laser Therapy
http://www.laserexchange.co.uk/intro/LLLT_Physiological_Changes.html http://www.mcw.edu/whelan http://www.iama.edu/LaserAcupuncture/LaserAcupuncture.htm http://www.thealase.com/Lasertherapy.htm http://www.universalhealth.com.au/page18.html http://www.bioscanlight.com http://www.light-force-therapy.com http://www.anodynetherapy.com
Diabetic/glucose disorders
http://www.joslin.harvard.edu http://www.diabetes.org http://www.diabetesnet.org http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html (reactive hypoglycemia) http://www.sover.net/~devstar/hypogly.htm http://www.tidalweb.com/fms/rhg.shtml http://hypoglycemia.itgo.com http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec13/148.htm http://lightning.prohosting.com/~hypoglyc/faq/hfaq03.htm http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/insulin5-2.html http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/concern/diabetes_1.htm http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/insulin_resistance.html
Inflammation/Nuclear-factor Kappa Beta
http://people.bu.edu/gilmore/nf-kb/inhibitors/#top
Chemical database
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/
> I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really > tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do > not eat regularly amanda - 14 Dec 2003 03:40 GMT > OK, your problems sound similar to mine. Let me suggest a few things. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > things which work on, say, diabetic neuropathy will also help you (for > instance, low level laser therapy). Hey..thanks a lot. I really appreciate that you explained so well and provides links in such an organized way. Skimming over the categories of links you gave, I do realize that I have one cavity filling that is Silver/Mergury amalgam. It's a big one and no dentis wants to mess with it to do another filling. My old dentis wanted to do root canal but the new one said there is another option called "Overlay" or something like that. I will definitely go for that just to get this filling out.
I will also plan to do all the checking you suggested. Again, thanks a lot.
> Yeast & intestinal dysbiosis > [quoted text clipped - 174 lines] > > milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do > > not eat regularly kofi - 16 Dec 2003 08:04 GMT > > You could have an infection. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "Overlay" or something like that. I will definitely go for that just > to get this filling out. A toxicologist can tell you if you're being exposed to an abnormal amount of mercury. This might tell you if the filling is cracked, leaking or otherwise a problem. Whenever you remove an amalgam filling, though, you always release a burst of mercury into your system as it comes out. The drill aerosolizes it far more than chewing does.
Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area. These types of infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health. Sorry I don't have any links on that.
Alf Christophersen - 16 Dec 2003 17:00 GMT >Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from >a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area. These types of >infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health. Sorry >I don't have any links on that. Agree heartily about the last statement :-( I had chronic root canal infections for years, and when I finally ended up in hospital with severe sinusitis, they concluded that not only the sinusitis, but the diabetes too was a result of the chronic inflammation, due to chronic TNF-alpha production which constantly signals glucagon release from alpha-cells thus increasing glucose in blood more or less constantly (that's why you need far more insulin injections if diabetic I when you get infections. The chronic infection I have had more or less since 1972 until 2003. Soon I hope it is cured, but the area of the infections are still quite sensible to any touch, so it seems not to have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw).
John 'the Man' - 16 Dec 2003 21:40 GMT Once upon a time, our fellow Alf Christophersen rambled on about "Re: this may be a strange question." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>I had chronic root canal infections for years I had only one root canal. And, that one lasted as a tooth for only about five years. :)
kofi - 18 Dec 2003 02:02 GMT > >Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from > >a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area. These types of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told > so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw). It's interesting you mention this because it's recently been discovered that most chronic sinus infections stem from candida overgrowth. Got any allergies? Been on antibiotics frequently? Check out the links I posted on yeast. A ketogenic diet can be good both for fungal infections and for diabetes.
With that level of inflammation around your jaw, it's also possible the nerves in the area have been stressed and you've developed some sort of TMJ or bruxism which can affect your sleeping habits and make your teeth sensitive (or if you've got amalgams, can release extra amounts of mercury). TMJ risk is elevated for those with insulin resistance. It involves abberant GABA/glutmate signaling.
Ear Rings - 25 Dec 2003 03:21 GMT How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many years?
> >Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from > >a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area. These types of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told > so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw). Alf Christophersen - 31 Dec 2003 21:08 GMT >How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many >years? When being hospitalized for severe dehydration after laying in bed vomiting without any food nor water intake for 5 days (after some piece of the white rind of grapefruit had stuck rigidly in my oesophagus somewhere).
Ear Rings - 31 Dec 2003 22:59 GMT I hate when that happens to me too. but...
How was the infection diagnosed or was it just a wild guess that turned our correct?
> >How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many > >years? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > piece of the white rind of grapefruit had stuck rigidly in my > oesophagus somewhere). Alf Christophersen - 02 Jan 2004 16:42 GMT >I hate when that happens to me too. >but... > >How was the infection diagnosed or was it just a wild guess that turned our >correct? My sinuses was full, a computer scan did show. It turned out to be hameophilic Streptococcus A. And when checking stomach for why I had been vomiting for so long period, they found my oesophagus was full of candida infections. Not good at all. By the way, I had a C peptide reading of 700, pointing in the direction of a very severe infection running completely wild in my body. So I had intravenous penicillinum for a week or so and candida medicines for the same. But I had to stay on penicillinum tablets for 3 weeks more until C peptide got down into normal range :-( Terrible period.
Ear Rings - 02 Jan 2004 20:40 GMT Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie: AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL
> >I hate when that happens to me too. > >but... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > on penicillinum tablets for 3 weeks more until C peptide got down into > normal range :-( Terrible period. John 'the Man' - 02 Jan 2004 21:47 GMT Once upon a time, our fellow Ear Rings rambled on about "Re: this may be a strange question." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie: >AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL Well, just as long as you are not babbling about CAM.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
amanda - 03 Jan 2004 19:22 GMT > Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie: > AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL What's AMA, CMA? Sorry I am not from Biochemistry or medical realated field.
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Ear Rings - 04 Jan 2004 00:14 GMT American Medical Association, Canadian Medical Association. You know...the alternative medicine police.
> > Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie: > > AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL > > > What's AMA, CMA? Sorry I am not from Biochemistry or medical realated field. > > <snip amanda - 03 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT > > > You could have an infection. > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health. Sorry > I don't have any links on that. I do not have any root canal done. It was suggested but I procrastinated and now another dentist said that I can do "Overlay" thing or somehtign like that.
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