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amanda - 12 Dec 2003 19:18 GMT
I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really
tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower.
Actually, I need it hot even in summer. I think that it is the heat
that wears me out. I have starting making  a point of adjusting the
water temperature to not as hot once my body warms up enough.

Same thing with exercise. If I do exercise  in the morning, I get very
tired. It seemed to me that my muscles do not get warm enough to do
that activity. No amount of warming upt he muslces firt would not
work.  If I do it in mid afetrnoon or late afetrnoon, I am OK.

By the way, my feet gets really cold (sometimes even when I am hot in
summer and need A/C blasting). It has always been that way. I do not
have iron deficeincy. I read about tissue irrigated disorder a while
back and I just assume that in my case, the blood circulation didn't
reach all the area well. Oh..my hand cannot handle holding cold items
for long.  I don't drink cold drinks anayway.  i always ask *without
ice* in restaurants. If the weather is hot, I would ask to put ice
only a little bit. I can't drink cold drink either. I prefer warm
milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do
not eat regularly.
Capitalist Pig - 12 Dec 2003 22:45 GMT
>By the way, my feet gets really cold

Maybe you need to boost your thyroid?
amanda - 12 Dec 2003 23:48 GMT
> I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really
> tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower.
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> milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do
> not eat regularly.

I meant to ask .. whether anyone know whether here is something I could take.
michael - 13 Dec 2003 04:21 GMT
try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to
exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or
you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to
your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline
amanda - 14 Dec 2003 17:18 GMT
> try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to
> exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or
> you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to
> your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline

Thanks.
Ear Rings - 25 Dec 2003 03:19 GMT
L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline

> > try ginko, you will still have to wait until that kicks in to
> > exercise, it sounds like your temp drops to much when you sleep, or
> > you blood isnt pumping well enough throughout your body, specially to
> > your appendages, or it could be to much adrenaline
>
> Thanks.
amanda - 03 Jan 2004 17:34 GMT
> L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline

Sorry I haven't checked in for  along time. What did you mean by the above?

> > dragonschild011001@yahoo.com (michael) wrote in message
>  news:<f9e40390.0312122021.5ae541b1@posting.google.com>...
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> >
> > Thanks.
Ear Rings - 04 Jan 2004 00:13 GMT
read below in my previous post.

> > L-tyrosine or L-phenylaline
>
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> > >
> > > Thanks.
anon - 13 Dec 2003 11:02 GMT
OK, your problems sound similar to mine.  Let me suggest a few things.

Keep in mind that you're not likely to suffer from any single one of
them.  Pick one and start eliminating them.  It's important you educate
yourself about each in order to pick the appropriate doctor to visit.  
Internists and GPs aren't likely to be as helpful as I'm being.  Also,
do not expect much from an endocrinologist if you ask them about, say,
TMJ.  Many doctors do not believe that the problems other specialists
treat exist or can produce overlapping symptoms.

First, you may have a metabolic disorder.  Check all of your vitamin,
mineral and enzyme levels to see that they're normal.  You might simply
be low in magnesium, zinc, vitamin C, a B or something.

You could have a thyroid disorder.  Get your levels of T3, T4, reuptake,
antibodies, etc. checked.

You may be suffering from some sort of poisoning.  Get a metals
challenge test at the toxicologist.

It's not uncommon for any of the above items to affect the circulation
and nerve function in your limbs.  Any of these can affect the way you
sleep and how well you feel in the morning.

You could have diabetes or some sort of glucose tolerance problem.  This
can affect your peripheral nerves.

You could have some sort of adrenal/cortisol issue.

You might suffer from TMJ or thoracic outlet syndrome.  These joint
disorders can produce chronic stress signals and affect peripheral
circulation and also impinge on your nerves.

You could have an infection.

While you may never get a positive diagnosis, you may find that several
things which work on, say, diabetic neuropathy will also help you (for
instance, low level laser therapy).

   Yeast & intestinal dysbiosis

http://www.candidapage.com
http://www.ephca.com/ca_mys.htm
http://www.howdyneighbor.com/jbayliss
http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/yeast-l.html (Yeast-L archives)
http://www.yeastconnection.com
http://www.acam.org/doctorsearch.php
http://www.drz.org/asp/conditions/candida.asp
http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNW89CandidaComplex.htm
http://www.richardsfamilyhealth.com/navpages/environmentalillness.html
http://www.richardsfamilyhealth.com/navpages/allergies.html
http://www.mayo.edu/comm/mcr/news_773.html

   Proper Nutrition

http://www.nutrition.org
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/tripping.html
http://www.mercola.com/2000/june/10/trans_fats.htm
http://www.paleodiet.com
http://1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-def-symptoms.htm
<http://www.dietsexercise.com/autism-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-diso
rder-ADHD-2.htm>
http://www.dadamo.com

   Mycoplasmas:

http://www.naturalhealthconsult.com/Mycoplasma.html
http://www.immed.org/illness/infectious_disease_research.html

   Mercury amalgams/dental surgery

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/mercury.html
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts46.html
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/2/mercury_autism.htm
http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/CheckForHg.html
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/AmFAQk00.html
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUSCIFCT.html
http://www.amalgam.org
http://www.autism.com/ari/mercurylong.html
<http://web.archive.org/web/20011031004558/http://home.online.no/~dusan/d
ental/root_canal.html>
http://www.bioprobe.com/biocalex/article.asp?article_id=14
http://www.dmpsbackfire.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/damspr4.html (neurotoxicity of
metals)
http://www.testfoundation.org/

   Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue/Hypercoagulation

http://www.hemex.com
http://www.fmnetnews.com
http://www.chronicfatigue.about.com
http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/DocLocator.html
http://www.co-cure.org/Good-Doc.htm
http://www.sover.net/~devstar/provider.htm
http://www.immunesupport.com
http://www.radiantrecovery.com

   Metabolic lab work

Great Smokies (http://www.gsdl.com/)
Metamatrix (http://www.metametrix.com/)
Doctor's Data (http://www.doctorsdata.com)
[You can often find local doctors who specialize in these issues by
getting a list of professionals who use these services.]

   Thyroid/glandular issues

http://thyroid.about.com
http://www.thyroid-info.com
http://www.endocrineweb.com
http://www.hairloss-research.org (see the protocol section)
http://www.fred.net/slowup/habul44.html

   General and specific medical information

http://www.google.com (type your symptoms in; you may be surprised)
http://medlineplus.gov/
http://my.webmd.com/index
http://www.nih.gov/
http://www.nci.nih.gov/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi (PubMed abstract database)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=books (archived
biomedical books)
http://www.pubmed.gov/
http://www.invisibledisabilities.com/websites.htm
http://www.medscape.com
http://www.NewsRx.com
http://www.pdrhealth.com
http://www.grouppekurosawa.com
http://www.newscientist.com
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/default.stm
http://www.newhope.com
http://www.nature.com/nature
http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/headlines.htm

    TMJ/Sleep Apnea/bruxism/trigger points

http://www.aacfp.org
http://www.aahnfp.org
http://www.tmj.org
http://www.drshankland.com <drwes@drshankland.com>
http://www.nidr.nih.gov
http://www.talkingaboutsleep.com
http://www.patashley.com/apnea/csa.html
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/4752
http://www.thesleepsite.com
http://www.sleepapnea.org
http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICOclinical.html
http://www.users.skynet.be/occlusion/main21nih.html (TMD overview)
http://www.facial-neuralgia.org
http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic366.html
http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic25.html
http://www.whiplash-injury.com/cervicalstrain.cfm
http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/10/01/03.html & 08/10/24.html
http://www.myopain.org
http://www.tmjcare.net/tmj.html
http://www.lymphoedema.org.au/lymphoed.htm
http://www.DrJimBoyd.com
http://www.nti-tss.com/

    Low Level Laser Therapy

http://www.laserexchange.co.uk/intro/LLLT_Physiological_Changes.html
http://www.mcw.edu/whelan
http://www.iama.edu/LaserAcupuncture/LaserAcupuncture.htm
http://www.thealase.com/Lasertherapy.htm
http://www.universalhealth.com.au/page18.html
http://www.bioscanlight.com
http://www.light-force-therapy.com
http://www.anodynetherapy.com

    Diabetic/glucose disorders

http://www.joslin.harvard.edu
http://www.diabetes.org
http://www.diabetesnet.org
http://www.fred.net/slowup/hypo.html (reactive hypoglycemia)
http://www.sover.net/~devstar/hypogly.htm
http://www.tidalweb.com/fms/rhg.shtml
http://hypoglycemia.itgo.com
http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec13/148.htm
http://lightning.prohosting.com/~hypoglyc/faq/hfaq03.htm
http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/insulin5-2.html
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/concern/diabetes_1.htm
http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/insulin_resistance.html

    Inflammation/Nuclear-factor Kappa Beta

http://people.bu.edu/gilmore/nf-kb/inhibitors/#top

    Chemical database

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

> I have noticed that if I take shower in the morning, I get really
> tired afterward such that I need to lie down. I like hot shower.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do
> not eat regularly
amanda - 14 Dec 2003 03:40 GMT
> OK, your problems sound similar to mine.  Let me suggest a few things.
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> things which work on, say, diabetic neuropathy will also help you (for
> instance, low level laser therapy).

 Hey..thanks a lot.  I  really appreciate that you explained so well
and provides links in such an organized way.  Skimming over the
categories of links you gave, I do realize that I have one cavity
filling that is Silver/Mergury amalgam. It's a big one and no dentis
wants to mess with it to do another filling. My old dentis wanted to
do root canal but the new one said there is another option called
"Overlay" or something like that.  I will definitely go for that just
to get this filling out.

I will also plan to do all the checking you suggested. Again, thanks a
lot.

>     Yeast & intestinal dysbiosis
>
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> > milk. I don't liek cold food anyway except subway sandwich which I do
> > not eat regularly
kofi - 16 Dec 2003 08:04 GMT
> > You could have an infection.
> >
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> "Overlay" or something like that.  I will definitely go for that just
> to get this filling out.

A toxicologist can tell you if you're being exposed to an abnormal
amount of mercury.  This might tell you if the filling is cracked,
leaking or otherwise a problem.  Whenever you remove an amalgam filling,
though, you always release a burst of mercury into your system as it
comes out.  The drill aerosolizes it far more than chewing does.

Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from
a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area.  These types of
infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health.  Sorry
I don't have any links on that.
Alf Christophersen - 16 Dec 2003 17:00 GMT
>Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from
>a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area.  These types of
>infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health.  Sorry
>I don't have any links on that.

Agree heartily about the last statement :-( I had chronic root canal
infections for years, and when I finally ended up in hospital with
severe sinusitis, they concluded that not only the sinusitis, but the
diabetes too was a result of the chronic inflammation, due to chronic
TNF-alpha production which constantly signals glucagon release from
alpha-cells thus increasing glucose in blood more or less constantly
(that's why you need far more insulin injections if diabetic I when
you get infections. The chronic infection I have had more or less
since 1972 until 2003. Soon I hope it is cured, but the area of the
infections are still quite sensible to any touch, so it seems not to
have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told
so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw).
John 'the Man' - 16 Dec 2003 21:40 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow Alf Christophersen
  rambled on about "Re: this may be a strange question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>I had chronic root canal infections for years

I had only one root canal.  And, that one lasted as a tooth for only
about five years. :)
kofi - 18 Dec 2003 02:02 GMT
> >Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from
> >a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area.  These types of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told
> so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw).

It's interesting you mention this because it's recently been discovered
that most chronic sinus infections stem from candida overgrowth.  Got
any allergies?  Been on antibiotics frequently?  Check out the links I
posted on yeast.  A ketogenic diet can be good both for fungal
infections and for diabetes.

With that level of inflammation around your jaw, it's also possible the
nerves in the area have been stressed and you've developed some sort of
TMJ or bruxism which can affect your sleeping habits and make your teeth
sensitive (or if you've got amalgams, can release extra amounts of
mercury).  TMJ risk is elevated for those with insulin resistance.  It
involves abberant GABA/glutmate signaling.
Ear Rings - 25 Dec 2003 03:21 GMT
How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many
years?

> >Since you mention root canal, it's possible your symptoms could be from
> >a cavitation or some sort of necrosis in the area.  These types of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> have gone completely, but all roots are removed (at least I was told
> so by the dentist withdrewing everyone except three in the lower jaw).
Alf Christophersen - 31 Dec 2003 21:08 GMT
>How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many
>years?

When being hospitalized for severe dehydration after laying in bed
vomiting without any food nor water intake for 5 days (after some
piece of the white rind of grapefruit had stuck rigidly in my
oesophagus somewhere).
Ear Rings - 31 Dec 2003 22:59 GMT
I hate when that happens to me too.
but...

How was the infection diagnosed or was it just a wild guess that turned our
correct?

> >How was the infection finally diagnosed when you could ignore it for so many
> >years?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> piece of the white rind of grapefruit had stuck rigidly in my
> oesophagus somewhere).
Alf Christophersen - 02 Jan 2004 16:42 GMT
>I hate when that happens to me too.
>but...
>
>How was the infection diagnosed or was it just a wild guess that turned our
>correct?

My sinuses was full, a computer scan did show. It turned out to be
hameophilic Streptococcus A. And when checking stomach for why I had
been vomiting for so long period, they found my oesophagus was full of
candida infections. Not good at all. By the way, I had a C peptide
reading of 700, pointing in the direction of a very severe infection
running completely wild in my body. So I had intravenous penicillinum
for a week or so and candida medicines for the same. But I had to stay
on penicillinum tablets for 3 weeks more until C peptide got down into
normal range :-( Terrible period.
Ear Rings - 02 Jan 2004 20:40 GMT
Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie:
AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL

> >I hate when that happens to me too.
> >but...
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> on penicillinum tablets for 3 weeks more until C peptide got down into
> normal range :-( Terrible period.
John 'the Man' - 02 Jan 2004 21:47 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow Ear Rings
  rambled on about "Re: this may be a strange question."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie:
>AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL

Well, just as long as you are not babbling about CAM.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
amanda - 03 Jan 2004 19:22 GMT
> Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie:
> AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL

What's AMA, CMA? Sorry I am not from Biochemistry or medical realated field.  

<snip
Ear Rings - 04 Jan 2004 00:14 GMT
American Medical Association, Canadian Medical Association. You know...the
alternative medicine police.

> > Careful with the "yeast infection" stuff. Many of the alternative (newer ie:
> > AMA, CMA etc..) medical disciplines will be confused here...LOL
> >
>  What's AMA, CMA? Sorry I am not from Biochemistry or medical realated field.
>
> <snip
amanda - 03 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT
> > > You could have an infection.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> infections have been known to have wide spread effects on health.  Sorry
> I don't have any links on that.

I do not have any root canal done.  It was suggested but I
procrastinated and now another dentist said that I can do "Overlay"
thing or somehtign like that.
 
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