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TC - 23 Jun 2005 17:22 GMT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aTnwtuUwxyFM&refer=us

Government Power to Take Property Backed by Top Court (Update2)
June 23 (Bloomberg) -- Local governments have broad power to take over
private property to make way for shopping malls, office parks and
sports stadiums, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled.

The court said government agencies can constitutionally take property
in the name of economic development -- and even transfer it to another
private party -- as long as the landowners receive compensation. The
5-4 ruling today came in a case involving land near a Pfizer Inc. plant
in New London, Connecticut.

``Promoting economic development is a traditional and long accepted
function of government,'' Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the court
in Washington. He said the justices ``decline to second-guess the
city's considered judgments about the efficacy of its development
plan.''

The ruling is a setback for property-rights advocates angered by what
they said is an increasingly common practice, now used thousands of
times a year.

``Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private
party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random,'' Justice
Sandra Day O'Connor said in dissent. ``The beneficiaries are likely to
be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the
political process, including large corporations and development
firms.''

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justices Antonin Scalia and
Clarence Thomas joined O'Connor's dissenting opinion.

Public Use

The Institute for Justice, a Washington-based group representing seven
property owners in the Connecticut case, had urged the high court to
put new restrictions on government ``eminent domain'' power.

New London is seeking to raze a residential neighborhood to make room
for a five-star hotel, luxury condominiums and office buildings near
the Pfizer research facility. The city says it is trying to reverse
decades of economic decline.

The case centered on the U.S. Constitution's takings clause, which
requires government agencies to pay compensation when they take over
private property ``for public use.'' The property owners argued that
the public-use prong requires more than simply the possibility of
economic revitalization.

The justices ruled in 1954 that government agencies can condemn
blighted property as long as they compensate the owners. Thirty years
later, the court said governments could take over property to break up
an oligopoly on land ownership.

The latest question concerned bids to take over property that isn't
blighted and doesn't involve an oligopoly.

Stevens said the New London plan ``unquestionably serves a public
purpose.''

Pfizer Plant

New London's development plan, enacted in 2000, calls for the takeover
of 115 homes and small businesses in the 90-acre Fort Trumbull
neighborhood adjacent to the Pfizer facility. The city also set up a
private entity, the New London Development Corporation, to manage the
project.

The plan coincided with the decision by Pfizer, the world's largest
drugmaker, to open a new research headquarters in New London. Pfizer
isn't directly involved in the litigation, and its property wasn't at
issue in the high court case.

A handful of property owners refused to sell their property and instead
sued. The Connecticut Supreme Court, in a divided opinion, said the
city and development corporation were acting legally.

The case is Kelo v. City of New London, 04-108.

----

Corporate rights once again rules over personal rights in the US.

TC
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 20:51 GMT
>>Corporate rights once again rules over personal rights in the US.
TC <<

COMMENT:

You say "in the US" as though this was something restricted to here,
and somehow related to "corporations."  I'm going to re-post something
Socks wrote earlier in the year, as a Canadian:

>From Socks:

In Canada, this is known as "standard operating procedure."
Example: Downtown Winnipeg. For several decades, the core
of Winnipeg was what one might call blighted. This resulted
from taxation levels based on property values set in the 70's,
and adjusted to provide the city with the tax revenue they
needed to pay for the programs they used to buy elections.

Round about 1985 or so, they decided to "fix" this. They were
going to put in a huge shiny shopping mall on the north side
of Portage, right downtown. Glass and chrome and food courts,
expensive boutiques, and all would, they expected, be well.

First they needed the land. So they asked the local businesses
on the north side of Portage to sell. This included such as
a pool hall, a bowling alley, several cheap bars, a second
run theatre, used book stores, and one-thing-and-another that
fit in that scheme.

The business looked at the cash offered and, unanimously,
responded with derision. After they put the first one in jail
the rest quite suddenly agreed to sell.

Following were several years of construction. During this time
the other businesses in the area started to go bankrupt. Why
would anybody shop downtown when they had to dodge mud and
construction, when several entire blocks were "dead" in that
they were under construction, and traffic was snarled in
the entire area. And the suburban malls, run by such folks
as Sears and Walmart and Kmart, offered free parking, better
service, lower crime rate neighbourhoods, free community
shuttle busses to large apartment buildings, etc. etc.

Eventually, after spending $100 million on the new mall,
it was finished.

During the first four years the mall was open, pilferage
exceeded sales in every single month. Close to half the
stores in the mall, and 2/3 of the stores in the area,
went bankrupt. The city took to putting up children's artwork
on the windows in an attempt to hide how many empty stores
there were, and how rotten the core of the city was.

By now, the entire city has settled to nearly the same level.
Unemployement and welfare rates are high. Salaries and land
values are low. And the core no longer stands out, though it
has hardly changed from it's worst of roughly 1990. And the
flagship store of the area, Eatons, has gone bankrupt across
Canada. After pumping $100 million into this one mall,
the result is that the entire area is far worse than it
ever was before.

Now, at the time, I was busy reading Rand for the first time,
and living in downtown Winnipeg. And I started keeping a horror
file. But I had to stop, because I had no room to store that
much paper.
Socks
TC - 23 Jun 2005 21:58 GMT
> >>Corporate rights once again rules over personal rights in the US.
> TC <<
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> much paper.
> Socks

Expropriation laws were changed in Manitoba in about 1982 or '83. There
are now legal avenues to fight expropriation and ensure fair
compensation from govt. And you will *never* see a govt, provincial or
federal, in Canada, expropriate property for private development. It
simply does not happen. If a private business or a corporation wants to
buy property it has to buy it thru a fair market value offer to the
owner, not by getting govt to expropriate. Never. Ever.

But in the US..... that is a different story now, isn't it.

Wasn't it in the USSR where property didn't belong to the individual
but to the collective? Now in the US, property belongs to whoever the
govt decides to give it to after it is expropriated. Same concept,
different approach. In the US. they are all equal but some of them are
more equal than others.

TC
TC - 23 Jun 2005 22:12 GMT
> > >>Corporate rights once again rules over personal rights in the US.
> > TC <<
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>
> TC

And what happened in Winnipeg was re-vitalization of a business area.
The situation in Connecticut is forced corporate expropriation of
home-owners.

Apples and oranges.

TC
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 22:36 GMT
>>And what happened in Winnipeg was re-vitalization of a business area.
The situation in Connecticut is forced corporate expropriation of
home-owners.

Apples and oranges. <<

Not at all. In the US it's always CALLED "revitalization" of a business
area, too. But "vital" is a relative term in the US just as it is in
Canada. It all comes down to whether or not somebody thinks they can
make MORE money with the property than the people who presently live on
it. Call it what you like.

SBH
TC - 24 Jun 2005 15:00 GMT
> >>And what happened in Winnipeg was re-vitalization of a business area.
> The situation in Connecticut is forced corporate expropriation of
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> SBH

In Winnipeg, no private homes were expropriated. It was a seedy and
run-down stretch of Portage Ave. and some side streets with no private
residences, only seedy and run down store fronts. The property owners
were not improving their store fronts and were letting things get run
down. It was an eyesore and a very scary area until they re-vitalized
it.

And the whole thing *was* a bust, which is besides the point.

In Connecticut it is a group of private home owners that are being
expropriated to make way for a commercial enterprise. That is a private
business using govt and their expropriating powers to evict and seize
private residential property.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/24/high_court_back
s_seizure_of_land_for_development/


"The Supreme Court yesterday granted cities and towns the right to
force the sale of *private property* to make way for economic
development projects"

The * are mine.

As I said this is apples and oranges.

In Canada, you will not see private residents being expropriated by a
civic government for the benefit of a corporate entity. It does not
happen. The company can only get these properties by making an offer
acceptable to the home owners.

There are cases where a civic govt may expropriate private land for
civic improvements like roads, sewer, etc. But in NO case will a civic
govt expropriate private land for the benefit of a commercial
improvement. This does not happen in Canada.

But it can now legally happen in the US. Civic govts and politicians
can now expropriate private and/or residential properties and hand it
over to their business cronies for commercial development. It has
already happened in Connecticut.

TC
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 24 Jun 2005 20:01 GMT
>>There are cases where a civic govt may expropriate private land for
civic improvements like roads, sewer, etc. But in NO case will a civic
govt expropriate private land for the benefit of a commercial
improvement. This does not happen in Canada. >>

COMMENT:

Look, don't pretend to me that there's some monolithic and clear law
that applies to all of Canada which prevents all this. I know better.

First of all, the reason all this is a Federal Case in the US is that
our constitution actually HAS a clause in the Fifth Amendment
prohibiting government takings of private property without "just
compensation."  That applies to the entire country, and that is why
this latest supreme court decision was so important as an overriding
guideline.

By contrast, the nearest thing Canada has to a constitution (Charter of
Rights) doesn't mention private property rights at all, so in Canada,
the corresponding private defense against eminent domain is merely
protected at the provincial level and in the common law. So therefore
not only is it impossible to say anything about "all of Canada" without
going through all of that law, but I think you're smoking something
really strong if you think that in every province there are clauses in
the laws protecting private homes from eminent domain seizure *except*
to build "roads" or some very well *defined* list of public works that
must exclude commercial ventures. But feel free to prove me wrong. Good
luck in your struggle though a mountain of provincial law.

There's no doubt that Canada, like everywhere else, can take (with
compensation) a private home for certain public uses--- a road being
the classic example. The reason I think you're going to have a hard
time at this, is it's not at all clear what "public use" constitutes,
and where one draws the line. Remember, even in the US, the properties
taken were not taken to be simply given to somebody else. That's still
illegal. The government continues to own them as public property, but
leases them out to a private corporation to run as commercial
businesses. As might be done by parts of numerous public facilities.
Can the Canadian government take your land and house to build a
railroad?  With train station?  With train station and associated
shops? An airport?  An airport complex with restaurants inside?  Who
runs those restaurants?  Now it starts to get complicated, does it not?
If the government continues to own the land but leases out some
businesses run on it to private corporations, where do you draw the
line?  That was the problem in the US. And ironically, it was a US
problem only BECASE we have individual property rights at the national
law level, whereas (again) in Canada, you don't. So you'll have to face
all the same problems, but province by province.

And don't pretend you have already. If you're doing economic
redevelopment in inner cities, you're running up against homes. You'll
no more let Ms. McGrundy sit in her little cottage and garden
surrounded by skyscrapers just because she won't sell, any more than we
will. It's a nice fiction, and very cute. It's not reality. In the real
world, the planners always find a reason why an access road needs to go
RIGHT there. And there's no law that planned roads used to condemn
properties,  MUST then thereafter be built, in Canada any more than the
US.

SBH
TC - 24 Jun 2005 20:08 GMT
> >>There are cases where a civic govt may expropriate private land for
> civic improvements like roads, sewer, etc. But in NO case will a civic
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Look, don't pretend to me that there's some monolithic and clear law
> that applies to all of Canada which prevents all this. I know better.

I never said that.

> First of all, the reason all this is a Federal Case in the US is that
> our constitution actually HAS a clause in the Fifth Amendment
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> must exclude commercial ventures. But feel free to prove me wrong. Good
> luck in your struggle though a mountain of provincial law.

What I said is still true. You will not find any govt in Canada
expropriating private land for private development. I challenge you to
show me one single instance in the entire history of Canada.

> There's no doubt that Canada, like everywhere else, can take (with
> compensation) a private home for certain public uses--- a road being
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> SBH
Alf Christophersen - 17 Jul 2005 00:08 GMT
>Wasn't it in the USSR where property didn't belong to the individual
>but to the collective? Now in the US, property belongs to whoever the
>govt decides to give it to after it is expropriated. Same concept,
>different approach. In the US. they are all equal but some of them are
>more equal than others.

In US, the one bribing the politicians most get the offer it seems
like :-)

(Not a surprise where elections of politicians and president is based
on bribing)
 
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