Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
GeneralCardiologyVisionDentistryPharmacyLaboratoryNutritionAlternative
Diseases and Disorders
AIDSAlzheimer'sArthritisAsthmaCancerBreast CancerDiabetesEpilepsyGlaucomaHepatitisHerpesLupusProstate BPHProstate CancerProstatitisSinusitisTinnitus

Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2005

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

We build quality into flour

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
TC - 22 Jun 2005 15:23 GMT
http://www.stern-wywiol-gruppe.de/english/muehlenchemie.html

http://www.stern-wywiol-gruppe.de/english/the-group.html

Competence we are proud of.
In most of the markets in which it operates, our group of companies
holds a leading position or is out in front in respect of quality. We
produce functional systems for food and feed, additives for the
manufacture of food and animal feed, and also feed ingredients.
We lead the field in flour treatment and flour improvement; our food
and feed enzymes meet the most sophisticated requirements. And we are
active in contract manufacturing, oleochemicals, food supplements and
food technology too.

---

It appears that flour is not a natural product. It is chemically
engineered, "built" and "improved". Farmers don't produce flour,
chemical companies do.

TC
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT
Don't read more into business-speak than there is.
TC - 23 Jun 2005 14:46 GMT
> Don't read more into business-speak than there is.

It is disconcerting how much crap is added to flour. It isn't just
grain starch anymore.

TC
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 23 Jun 2005 19:14 GMT
>>It is disconcerting how much crap is added to flour. It isn't just
grain starch anymore. <<

It never was. Today there are a lot more additives that do one thing or
another, but also and a lot less rodent sh.t and toxic fungus. Really
ancient flour had so much sand from milling that it ground the eater's
teeth down to nubs eventually.

I'm tired of reactionaries lost forever in the good old days. My memory
is better than that. My history reading is better than that.

SBH
TC - 23 Jun 2005 20:11 GMT
> >>It is disconcerting how much crap is added to flour. It isn't just
> grain starch anymore. <<
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> SBH

Interesting reference to rodent sh.t and toxic fungus.

There is plenty of rodent sh.t in flour. From the farm field to the
farm storage bin to the flour mill to the warehouse to the storage room
in your typical bakery. There is rodent sh.t along the entire way. I
worked for a pest control company in my younger days. You would not
believe how much rodent sh.t grains and flours are exposed to.

And one of the flour "improvers" is a *fungus* derived alpha-amylase.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
2908861&dopt=Abstract


quote -
Enzymes in flour improver, in particular fungal alpha-amylase, are
known to be a significant cause of respiratory allergy in the baking
industry. This study measured total inhalable dust and fungal
alpha-amylase exposures in U.K. bakeries, mills, and a flour improver
production and packing facility and determined whether assignment of
job description could identify individuals with the highest exposures
to fungal alpha-amylase and inhalable dust.
- unquote

http://oem.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/60/10/802

quote -
Enzymes are widely used in a variety of industries, to effect chemical
changes on a range of substrates. The baking industry began adding
exogenous enzymes in the 1970s, and this use has increased over the
past 30 years. Many of these enzymes are Aspergillus derived and
include -amylase, cellulase, and hemicellulase (especially xylanase),
all of which are added to flour to improve dough quality and shelf life
of the product.

Although much work has focused on fungal -amylase,1-2 there are a few
reports, which highlight the potential of other commonly added enzymes
to induce respiratory health effects in susceptible individuals.3-6
Quirce et al investigated five bakers with work related respiratory
symptoms. They measured specific immunoglobulin E (IgE) to both
cellulase and -amylase in four of the workers, and specific IgE
antibodies to -amylase only, in one of the workers. No cross reactivity
between the two enzymes was shown. Additionally Baur and colleagues5
showed sensitisation to hemicellulase in symptomatic bakers and in a
case report, reported the presence of specific IgE antibodies to
xylanase.6

We have previously described7 the association between work related
respiratory symptoms in bakers and the presence of specific IgE to
wheat flour and fungal -amylase. This present paper reports the
subsequent analysis of serum with respect to other added enzymes, and
examines how these relate to respiratory and nasal symptoms.
- unquote

http://www.food.rdg.ac.uk/online/fs916/lect12/lect12.htm

quote -
Fungal alpha-amylases are added to dough as part of a "flour improver".

- unquote

quote -
Industrial enzyme preparations are never pure. They are usually a
concentrate of a culture supernatant of the producing species or a
dried form of such a concentrate. Depending upon the enzyme and
producing species they will typically contain many other enzymes
usually referred to as "side activities".
- unquote

Do a google on "flour improver fungal" and do some reading.

TC
MMu - 27 Jun 2005 13:54 GMT
>> >>It is disconcerting how much crap is added to flour. It isn't just
>> grain starch anymore. <<
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>
> TC

The keyword is not "fungus" its "toxic". Not all fungi are toxic (just think
of camenbert, brie etc.) even less so an enzyme derived out of a fungus. But
I'd rather have some culture supernatand in my food than aflatoxin or
ochratoxin.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 27 Jun 2005 19:52 GMT
>>The keyword is not "fungus" its "toxic". Not all fungi are toxic (just think
of camenbert, brie etc.) even less so an enzyme derived out of a
fungus. But
I'd rather have some culture supernatand in my food than aflatoxin or
ochratoxin. <<

COMMENT:

Or ergot derivatives, which regularly used to make eaters of rye and
other grains suffer the tortures of the damned as they suffered uterine
spasm miscarriage, limb ischemia and gangrene, followed by loss of feet
and hands, and death. Please note the interesting historical case in
minimally processed absolutely local flour in France.

http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/oct99.html

>>Ergotism is caused by the chemicals in the fungus called ergot (pronounced AIR-got). Consumption of foods contaminated with ergot and ergot derivatives may cause vomiting, diarrhea, hallucinations, and may lead to gangrene in serious cases. Historically the fungus has been implicated in epidemics causing thousands of fatalities, but due to increased knowledge of this fungus and a more varied modern diet such epidemics no longer occur in humans. However, chronic exposure through consumption of contaminated foods can lead to health complications.

>> However as recently as 1951, in Pont-St. Esprit, a small town in France, there was an outbreak of the disease. First a bit of background-- in Europe it is the custom to buy fresh bread nearly every day. Much more civilized than our American custom of buying bread with preservatives in it that allow it to last several weeks. In this small town there was only one bakery and everyone bought bread from it. Strange things started happening. People developed a burning sensation in their limbs, began to hallucinate that they could fly, did strange things to their dogs with forks and in general acted weirdly. This outbreak is chronicled in a marvelous (but out of print) book called "The day of St Anthony's Fire" by John Grant Fuller.<<
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.