Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
GeneralCardiologyVisionDentistryPharmacyLaboratoryNutritionAlternative
Diseases and Disorders
AIDSAlzheimer'sArthritisAsthmaCancerBreast CancerDiabetesEpilepsyGlaucomaHepatitisHerpesLupusProstate BPHProstate CancerProstatitisSinusitisTinnitus

Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2005

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Re: Mediterranean Diet

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
John Sankey - 22 Jun 2005 07:53 GMT
Many thanks, Enrico. However all modern protein requirements are
based on body weight and that page (and others such as the Greek diet
posted earlier that I've checked) omit that data. Any suggestions?
Enrico C - 22 Jun 2005 11:43 GMT
[...]
>> The following tables are for Southern Italy. The data comes from the
>> Euratom Study.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> Protein     74     12.5%     296
>> Totals     601     100%     2,369

> Many thanks, Enrico. However all modern protein requirements are
> based on body weight and that page (and others such as the Greek diet
> posted earlier that I've checked) omit that data. Any suggestions?

296 calories in protein, as average, would be 74 grams, right?
Should we say... something more than 1 gram per Kg, roughly?
John Sankey - 22 Jun 2005 16:18 GMT
"296 calories in protein, as average, would be 74 grams, right?
Should we say... something more than 1 gram per Kg, roughly?"

I'm not sure at all. I still remember the experience of a friend of
mine who was piloting a longhaul from Toronto to Italy at Christmas.
He got to abort point and was gobs short of V1. Turned out the
average weight of his Italian passengers was 240 lb, and Canadian
regs assumed 160!

As you might gather from my memory of the incident being in pounds,
this was a lot closer to 1960 than to today :-(

I'd really like to find weight data compatible with the Euratom
surveys.
John Sankey - 22 Jun 2005 20:08 GMT
"How do you explain that someone with more fat needs more protein?
Does fat somehow increase the protein requirements?"

Nitrogen metabolism/loss is claimed to be directly related to body
weight (including bone, too!). Nitrogen balance is how the lab rats
measure protein requirement.

I note that Enrico's suggestion of 1g/kg-day is high compared to the
current North American RDI of 0.8, and the Mediterranean diet was
supposed to be low protein then ...

"Turned out the average weight of his Italian passengers was 240 lb,
and Canadian regs assumed 160!"

In fairness to Italians, I should note that his passengers' luggage
was full of presents and that they turned out to be wearing
everything that didn't fit within the luggage weight limitation. But
let me tell you, you abort takeoff with a hundred people sitting on
your shoulders and you don't forget it!
John Sankey - 22 Jun 2005 22:33 GMT
"they must have overeaten in Canada"

Absolutely. I grew up under two parents who had survived the
Depression - never waste ANY food, EVER. I love Italian food but
can't handle Ottawa's Italian resaurants - they put twice as much on
my plate as I can possibly eat. There's a diddle, then pasta, another
diddle, more pasta, another diddle, more pasta ...

A question for Italian historians: what on earth did Italians eat
before modern durum wheat semolina (I must note, especially from
Canada) became available for pasta? Durum wheat supply mostly
postdates WW2, but there was nothing even remotely like it prior to
1900 except in specialist quantities.

Of course, I'm still really looking for weight data for southern
Italians of the '60's ...
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.