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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2005Magnisium from Solgar?
Hi all, I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are: Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?, and also, by taking this magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium? Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with any calcium. See below the dosage: Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine HCI) 25 mg Magnesium (as oxide) 400 mg Dibasique calcium phosphate 1009 mg Thanks > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks If you don't take calcium and phosphorous when you take magnesium, the magnesium won't do you much good... I know from personal experience since I have chronic hypo-magnesemia that I have to keep up with. A balanced cal/mag/phos supplement is MUCH better and will give you higher serum levels of magnesium than taking mag by itself. HTH?  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson Thanks for your reply. My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that calcium leaches out zinc. So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of calcium? OmManiPadmeOmelet: > If you don't take calcium and phosphorous when you take magnesium, the > magnesium won't do you much good... I know from personal experience [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > Thanks for your reply. > My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium > defeciency, and also I do supplement with Zinc, and it seems that > calcium leaches out zinc. And excess zinc will screw up your copper levels. Zinc, like other trace minerals, is best taken in a mixed trace mineral supplement or, again, in a macro-mineral combo. The macro mineral I take is "Now" brand and is well balanced, and inexpensive. And it keeps my serum levels of Magnesium in normal range where they belong within 90 minutes of taking a double dose. Balance balance balance... Don't worry, if you take calcium and are not deficient, you are not going to overdose. ;-) You'll just excrete it. > So is this "Dibasic calcium phosphate" different from a usual form of > calcium? I honestly don't know that much about it. I think it'd be best to "google" for exactly what that means! Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust. I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex. SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson You just contradicted yourself about calcium intake. > > Thanks for your reply. > > My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Solgar, tho', happens to be a brand I trust. > I take their VM-75 multi since it's high in B-complex. > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > You just contradicted yourself about calcium intake. I don't think so. :-) All I said is that EXCESS calcium will be excreted. I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning. We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium causing kidney stones. Most excess calcium is excreted in stool, but some goes thru the kidneys. I make sure I drink at least 1/2 gallon of water per day to keep my urine dilute, so I'm not that worried about stones. She is going to consult Dr. Cohen for me as I don't see him anymore. He no longer works in our ER, but evidently she is in contact with him. It still takes a balanced mineral ratio to absorb more of any one mineral and I've experimented with mine. My mag level is normal 90 minutes after consuming a cal/mag/phos supplement. If I take just straight mag, 90 minutes later I have diarrhea instead and my mag levels are still low. The problem is, I have a genetic renal tubule defect and excrete magnesium at an accellerated rate so the mag levels drop faster than normal. I don't have time to swallow pills all day long and the side effects of excess mag intake are well known. It's been a real PITA! :-P Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance being so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium the killer Wat are these so-called, effects of too much magnesium supplementation. Most people can never get enough magnesium to balance all the bad calcium intake they have. Just look at the osteoporosis cases we have these days despite all the calcium hype. Nutritionalists are left with their jaws hanging open wondering why calcium gets all the hype and never was a problem. Here, have another antiacid. It's good for you because it has "calcium" > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > My concern was most with the calcium, because I don't have any calcium [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Cheers! > You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance being > so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Here, have another antiacid. It's good for you because it has "calcium" Excess Magnesium causes Diarrhea... at least in normal people. You seem to always be the exception. Congratulations! Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson Not always. I just find most people tlak out of the side of their brain. They talk about heresay continuously and have no experience with any of it. > > You still contradict yourself. In one sentence you talk about balance being > > so importent then your talk about one sided supplementation of calcium the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheers! > Not always. I just find most people tlak out of the side of their brain. > They talk about heresay continuously and have no experience with any of it. Uh, if you actually READ my posts, you'd see I was talking from DIRECT experience! Including actual measured blood levels! Same goes for calcium BTW.... Cheers! SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson (snipped) > I just had a similar discussion with my endocrinologist this morning. > We were trying to figure out how to get my magnesium levels to stay more > in normal range, (I still have trouble really keeping them up sometimes > and that is hard on my heart) and she was concerned about excess calcium > causing kidney stones. Research on prebiotics contends that fermentable fibers such as inulin result in better magnesium and calcium absorption. Frank How about skin absorbtion? Epsom Salts, I hear, can penetrate the skin during a bath. I've also heard of taking it rectally for better absorption. Some Doctors give shots. RO > (snipped) > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Frank > (snipped) > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Frank Will this affect low carbing? SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > Hi all, > > I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out > that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are: > > Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?, They think that it makes the product more desireable. > and also, by taking this > magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium? Yes, when you consume this you will be consuming calcium. > Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with > any calcium. No, get something without calcium if you don't want any of that. > Hi all, > > I bought a bottle of magnisium + B6 from Solgar, and I just found out > that it do contain also Dibasique calcium phosphate. My questions are: > > Why do they add Dibasique calcium phosphate?, They think that it makes the product more desireable. > and also, by taking this > magnesium formula, does it mean I'm supplementing also with Calcium? Yes, when you consume this you will be consuming calcium. > Should I go for this product, know that I don't want to supplement with > any calcium. No, get something without calcium if you don't want any of that. "Just Ed" <just_ed53spam@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1119236895.612795.306120 @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > No, get something without calcium if you don't want any of that. I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but Chelated Magnesium from Solgar is a very good product in my experience. <SNIP> > I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but Chelated Magnesium > from Solgar is a very good product in my experience. I have not previously had any reason to doubt them, but the Solgar product I found on the web "Magnesium with Vitamin B6" has 230mg Ca from Dicalcium Phosphate (maybe this is 1000mg Dicalcium Phosphate as the OP stated) in addition to the 400mg Mg and 25mg B6. It certainly has more Ca than B6, why not name it "Magnesium with Calcium and B6" in line with its ingredients? They have a 400 mg Mg from mag-citrate product which might suit the OP. It also lists Dicalcium Phosphate as an excipient, requires two tabs for a serving. citrates aren't cheap per gram. The more poorly absorbed mag oxide is much cheaper, but cost per absorbed gram should be our interest. I haven't seen good data to calculate that. <SNIP> > I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but Chelated Magnesium > from Solgar is a very good product in my experience. I have not previously had any reason to doubt them, but the Solgar product I found on the web "Magnesium with Vitamin B6" has 230mg Ca from Dicalcium Phosphate (maybe this is 1000mg Dicalcium Phosphate as the OP stated) in addition to the 400mg Mg and 25mg B6. It certainly has more Ca than B6, why not name it "Magnesium with Calcium and B6" in line with its ingredients? They have a 400 mg Mg from mag-citrate product which might suit the OP. It also lists Dicalcium Phosphate as an excipient, requires two tabs for a serving. citrates aren't cheap per gram. The more poorly absorbed mag oxide is much cheaper, but cost per absorbed gram should be our interest. I haven't seen good data to calculate that. |
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