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Katt - 14 Jun 2005 14:44 GMT

Hi folks,

Can I ask the experts hereabouts if I'm right about something?

Here goes:

Am I correct in thinking that Atkins is on the extreme side because he
didn't work in terms of actual 'glycaemic load' as opposed to 'glycaemic
index': he rules out or restricts some things -- on the basis of their GI --
that maybe should be allowed because in practice *they actually have a low
GL*?

If this is right, then surely someone who doesn't really get on with the
usual Atkins regime would be able to add more fruits and vegetables to it --
if they knew which types!?!

Do let me know if this is right!

Thanks,

Katt.

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Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 16:29 GMT

> Hi folks,
>
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> GI -- that maybe should be allowed because in practice *they actually
> have a low GL*?

I think Atkins felt that carbs were harmful by themselves, withour regard to
the effect of GI or GL.

> If this is right, then surely someone who doesn't really get on with the
> usual Atkins regime would be able to add more fruits and vegetables to
> it -- if they knew which types!?!

Fruits and vegetables are part of the Atkins regime. You can go and buy his
books or go to the Atkins web stie for more details. There may even be
newsgroups for the Atkings diet for all I know (or care).

Jeff

> Do let me know if this is right!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Katt.

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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 14 Jun 2005 16:52 GMT

>>Am I correct in thinking that Atkins is on the extreme side because he

didn't work in terms of actual 'glycaemic load' as opposed to
'glycaemic
index': he rules out or restricts some things -- on the basis of their
GI --
that maybe should be allowed because in practice *they actually have a
low
GL*? <<

COMMENT:

Glycemic load is amount of carbohydrate per serving multiplied by the
glycemic index of that carbohydrate. It's a better index for what a
serving of something will do to your blood sugar if you eat it alone.
For example, carrots have a high glycermic index but a low glycemic
load because they don't have that much carbohydrate per serving.

Atkins DID pay attention to total grams of carbohydrate per serving,
which means his recommendations tend to track glycemic *load* better
than index. Simply because load varies much more than index from food
to food. But Atkins didn't particularly track either one.

SBH

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Katt - 15 Jun 2005 01:41 GMT

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message

> COMMENT:
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> SBH

Thanks for this, Steve. I should explain that I'm asking because a friend of
mine who has quite serious problems with her weight has just asked me if
it's possible for her to get more fruit & veg into her diet without
altogether abandoning the Atkins regime that has been getting results for
her. Having heard hereabouts of 'Glycemic Load', I thought maybe that I
could look up a GL table somewhere so that she could try gradually adding
stuff from the low end while testing to see if it made her 'stall'. But now
I've heard that she's investigating the 'South Beach Diet', which I confess
I've never even heard of; so I suppose I ought to ask if you wouldn't mind
giving me your reaction to that idea: is she going to be able to increase
her fruit/veg intake and still have a carb-controlled regimen? I'm asking
you this, Steve, because I've read a lot of your posts in the last few
months, and I consider you a bit more objective and well-informed than the
average web-site (or n/g poster...).

Thanks for your time.

Katt.

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Laurie - 04 Aug 2005 23:26 GMT

> ... Atkins is on the extreme side because he ...

believes humans are wolves rather than frugivorous apes.
http://www.ecologos.org/ttdd.html Research|Diet section.

Laurie

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outsor@citynet.net - 05 Aug 2005 00:41 GMT

"Thus, they generally are full of nonsense,
errors of fact, faulty (or no) logic, unsupported rumors, innumeracy,
errors copied from other credibility-challenged sources, or the

Amen sister, this describes the contents of the page and it's links.
Those who consume onlyfruit can never aspire to those of us who consume
only air, the most spiritual of states..
unsupported belief systems of various fad-diet microcultures."

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