> > >>The keystone of the current system is the prescriber and that person is
> > the one who decides if the benefits of a drug outweigh the risks for
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> It provides relative safety for the patient and a marketing device for the
> drug manufacturers.
There's the rub: "relative safety".
Your idea of relative safety is not the same as my idea of relative
safety which is not the same as Pharma's idea of relative safety which
is not the same as the FDA's idea of relative safety which is not the
same as patients' idea of relative safety which is not the same as.....
TC
>> >>The keystone of the current system is the prescriber and that person is
>> the one who decides if the benefits of a drug outweigh the risks for
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> aware
> of.
Many insurance companies pay for chiropractic, naturopathy and other
conjecture-based mediciations. The also pay for medications that are
technically not medically necessary, like Viagra and Levetra.
Also, the insurance companies don't always pay for drugs that are FDA
approved, especially if there is a similar one already on their formulary.
> If such approval did not exist then the patient would have to pay for it
> out of pocket and if that were to happen the price for the drug would
> actually go down I believe.
Actually, unless a drug is approved by the FDA, it cannot be sold as a drug
for humans or other animals.
> The FDA and drug companies work together for obvious reasons. If the FDA
> weren't there the drug companies would invent their own so called
> independent body giving the blue seal of approval that they can market as
> "safe" and "effective".
Actually, food supplements (think conjecture-based medicine, aka alternative
medicine) can be marketed as safe and effective if they have been proven to
be safe and effective.
> It provides relative safety for the patient and a marketing device for the
> drug manufacturers.
Jeff
Robert - 10 Jun 2005 03:00 GMT
> >> >>The keystone of the current system is the prescriber and that person is
> >> the one who decides if the benefits of a drug outweigh the risks for
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> Many insurance companies pay for chiropractic, naturopathy and other
> conjecture-based mediciations.
That's correct Jeff. The reason behind that is most back pain gets better on
it's own and rather than seeing a medical specialist which costs much more
they have found it cheaper to tell them to go to alternate care.
The also pay for medications that are
> technically not medically necessary, like Viagra and Levetra.
That's correct but those are FDA approved and are very expensive.
Naturopathy is much more cheaper including tiger penis soup or rhino
testicles.
> Also, the insurance companies don't always pay for drugs that are FDA
> approved, especially if there is a similar one already on their formulary.
They certainly wouldn't pay for a non FDA aprroved drug including research
drugs.
There are many statins, blood pressure meds etc on the market that most of
the time they will pay. Some insurance don't want to pay for newer drugs
sometimes like Medicare.
> > If such approval did not exist then the patient would have to pay for it
> > out of pocket and if that were to happen the price for the drug would
> > actually go down I believe.
>
> Actually, unless a drug is approved by the FDA, it cannot be sold as a drug
> for humans or other animals.
Drugs sold in Canada are cheaper. People are buying viagra from Pakistan.
Just give them a credit card number.
I was giving a scenario in which the FDA were to be abolished then the drug
companies would set up their own organization because drugs would flood the
market and prices would go down.
> > The FDA and drug companies work together for obvious reasons. If the FDA
> > weren't there the drug companies would invent their own so called
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> medicine) can be marketed as safe and effective if they have been proven to
> be safe and effective.
That's why they do it is to advertise that it is FDA approved.
It is solely a marketing ploy as they don't need to do that.
> > It provides relative safety for the patient and a marketing device for the
> > drug manufacturers.
>
> Jeff