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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2005Amino Acids & "What the Bleep Do We Know"
Does anyone in this group have any first hand experience with taking amino acid supplements? Has anyone else seen the video "What the Bleep Do We Know". If so, would you like to share responses? My name is Cathy and I live in Minnesota. I'm struggling with some memory changes and negative feelings. I've been told to go on anti-deppressants but I don't want to. I have used them in the past and they have their place but I don't think long term use is wise. I am looking for other more natural solutions. I have taken tonnes of amino acids. What do you want to know? > Does anyone in this group have any first hand experience with taking > amino acid supplements? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and they have their place but I don't think long term use is wise. I > am looking for other more natural solutions. Hello Pizza Girl, Have you been to a specialist regarding the amino acids? Maybe you can read my reply to Mr Friedman and give me your thoughts. I am grateful for your response and any information that you would like ot share. My Mom died of heart disease and suffered with demensia for three years before we know her heart was hardending. The entire heart was hardened, they could not tell us specifically why. She did drink and smoke for many years but was sober for many years before her illness. She died of congestive heart failure. Anyway, my point here is that I called the doc with concerns about my heart and my memory problems and he suggested that I do on anitdepressants. I wasn't satisfied with that response. Some things I would investigate. -cysteine and cystine and I can't think of the other off hand (amino acids) as chelators for metal overload. -EDTA chelation by a doctor for the same metals. I know of several miracle cases using this expensive therapy. This is a much faster and sure method of cleaning up metals from the vessels. -manganese clears up my head from head fog in a mointh or so. tinnitus and dizziness goes away -magnesium softens calcium and stops plaque formation. I have never heard of a specialist for amino acids. Doctors and most nutritionalists have never even heard of them. There is a place called "Brain BioClinic" in Chicago (I think) that will do amino acid things. Charles C Pfeiffer rings a bell?? Too much or bad calcium intake can cause these things sometimes. Especially dairy. > Hello Pizza Girl, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > he suggested that I do on anitdepressants. I wasn't satisfied with > that response. > Some things I would investigate. > -cysteine and cystine and I can't think of the other off hand (amino [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of > cleaning up metals from the vessels. It is a sure way for the quack to clean out your wallet. However, chelation has never been shown to improve or reverse heart disease. One problem is that metals, like calcium, which are in the artery walls are bond to other things, like proteins, in the artery walls. Chelators are good at bind to free calcium, not bond calcium. > -manganese clears up my head from head fog in a mointh or so. tinnitus and > dizziness goes away > -magnesium softens calcium and stops plaque formation. How does magnesium soften calcium? > I have never heard of a specialist for amino acids. Doctors and most > nutritionalists have never even heard of them. Heard of what? Amino acids or specialists for amino acids? Jeff > There is a place called "Brain BioClinic" in Chicago (I think) that will > do [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> he suggested that I do on anitdepressants. I wasn't satisfied with >> that response. Chelation works despite all your quack stories. I have experienced it myself along with millions of others. > > Some things I would investigate. > > -cysteine and cystine and I can't think of the other off hand (amino [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >> he suggested that I do on anitdepressants. I wasn't satisfied with > >> that response. >Some things I would investigate. >-cysteine and cystine and I can't think of the other off hand (amino acids) >as chelators for metal overload. Taurine is important here. At least for iron chelation. And low taurine status is now documented both with animals and also in humans to protect against CHF. In dogs given a diet of less than 10% protein, CHF can be induced, but prevented completely by giving extra taurine, same in cat. Also certain strains of white rats (mainly used for inducing diabetes) are low in taurine synthesis and/or low in cysteine formation from homocysteine. > Does anyone in this group have any first hand experience with taking > amino acid supplements? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and they have their place but I don't think long term use is wise. I > am looking for other more natural solutions. If you are looking for a natural treatment for depression, then there are two promising solutions to look at. Amino acids can work if you take the right precursor for the specific neurotransmitter that you are deficient in. However, even if they work, you don't want to take that route, since a deficiency in amino acids often indicates insufficient stomach acid. You need to get a pH of <2.5 in order for 75% of your protein to by hydrolyzed into amino acids. If your pH goes about 5, then only 25% of your protein is hydrolyzed. The other possiblity is that your hormones might not be in balance. There are a number of doctors doing bioidentical hormonal therapy to optimize the level of all hormones. I don't know of any in Minnesota, but there is one in Chicago that treats out-of-towners by requiring a personal visit once a year, then phone consults if needed. (You can check it out at http://www.bodylogicmd.com). Ed Friedman Why would she not want to take that route? Most free form amino acids are HCL based anyway and what does low stomache acid have to do with taking amino acids? Free form amino acids are absorbed through the stomache walls and do ***NOT*** need to be digested at all. > If you are looking for a natural treatment for depression, then there > are two promising solutions to look at. Amino acids can work if you [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ed Friedman If you were my patient, I'd recommend pregnenolone and avoidance of unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts) immediately, until we could start elminating possible causes (likely to be free radical mediated, but there could be cofactors). Physiological doses of lithium should help, and are available without prescription over the internet (lithium orotate). A recent scientific report on sciencedaily.com found that arachidonic acid levels in depressed persons' brains were highly elevated, but omega 3 levels were "normal." Your brain is being fried by arachidonic acid metabolites, such as LTB4, but if you get off unsaturated fatty acids, you should feel different in a few weeks. It's hard to do, because it's being used in everything, which is why "autism," "obesity," etc. are reaching, we are told, "epidemic proportions," but one day they'll put the pieces together and start to tell people to stay away from the unsaturates. Here's what you do: butter and coconut oil are okay, as is dark chocolate, whole milk dairy (without carrageenan, and preferably not homogenized), eggs (boiled only), fruit, vegetables (in small amounts),and bread (without any fat in it), Sugar is fine, but make the products yourself, to taste, such as pudding. I make pineapple/bannana pudding with a little butter, pinch of salt, Rapadura sugar, and organic pastry flour. You just stir it on medium high until it begins to thicken, then put it in a jar, and when it's cool to the touch, refrigerate a few hours. Use Celtic Sea salt to taste in your dishes. Meat in small amounts is okay, but only boiled. Shellfish (if unpolluted) is the best "meat" to eat. If you want to drink something other than water, club soda and organic white tea (which I got from iherb.com) are best. Good luck! > If you were my patient, Since you are neither a doctor nor a nutritionist that would not be an option. > I'd recommend pregnenolone and avoidance of > unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts) immediately, until we > could start elminating possible causes (likely to be free radical > mediated, but there could be cofactors). J Nutr Health Aging. 2005;9(1):31-38. Dietary Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Psychiatry: Mood, Behaviour, Stress, Depression, Dementia and Aging. Bourre JM. [...]Dietary omega-3 fatty acids play a role in the prevention of some disorders including depression, as well as in dementia, particularly Alzheimer's disease. Their direct role in major depression, bipolar disorder (manic-depressive disease) and schizophrenia is not yet established. Their deficiency can prevent the renewal of membranes, and thus accelerate cerebral ageing; none the less, the respective role sof the vascular component on one hand (where the omega-3's are active) and the cerebral parenchymait self on the other, have not yet been clearly resolved. The role of omega-3 in certain diseases such as dyslexia and autismis suggested. Infact, omega-3 fatty acids participated in the first coherent experimental demonstration of the effect of dietary substances (nutrients) on the structure and function of the brain. [...] > Physiological doses of > lithium should help, and are available without prescription over the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (without carrageenan, and preferably not homogenized), eggs (boiled > only), fruit, vegetables (in small amounts), vegetables in small amounts? I guess you have a citation for that one handy? > and bread (without any fat > in it), Sugar is fine, but make the products yourself, to taste, such [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Good luck! I just noticed I made a mistake in my post above, the line "Tyrosine produced a gentle, calm feeling, a slight sense of ease, but didn't noticably help my memory. " I meant Taurine does this, not Tyrosine which I explained about earlier. Tony. >I meant Taurine does this, not Tyrosine which I explained about >earlier. For how long time did you increase taurine levels?? Taurine has only preventive effects in long run, no acute healing aspects. Chronic buildup of AGE because taurine content in cells were to low so lysine did react instead with glucose or fructose (starting point of AGE) are very difficult to reduce, but you may stop further buildup in future if you increase chronic concentration of taurine, like exchanging lot of taurine-free milk with taurine containing milks (from other animals not domesticated to produce lot of watery milk (taurine bind with connexin-26 and inhibit water leakage from milk production cells, so animals domesticated for lack of taurine synthesis would have increase milk production pr day) or eating taurine rich food like chicken legs, mussels, fish intestines :-) etc. Many domestic animals are low in taurine production, lowest are man, cat (which use more taurine than abled to produce de novo in liver because lack of ability to form glucocholic acids, only taurocholic acids) and pig (having about 5-15 mg taurine pr 100 g meat, chicken leg around 150 mg/100 g) and mussels around 300 mg/100, depending on salinity or perhaps amplitude of daily oscillations in salinity of water, the higher, the more when salinity was high during harvesting (because it is a cell volume regulator, taken up when salinity/osmolarity outside is high, and releasing it when osmolarity decrease and cells start to swell), Fish intestinges are very high in taurine content. Fish powder for human use is said to be around 500-700 mg/100 g FPC powder. Never seen any report on non-domesticated animals yet, except mice and rat which is rather high (about 150-300 mg pr mice, explanation why cats living on mice and rats has sufficient with taurine, while cats living locked in with no mice available is highly dependent on being fed 01% taurine in diet if dry food, and 0.5% in wet food since taurine reacts with carbohydrates during heating forming a matrix easily available to E.coli degrading taurine to alfa-ketoglutarate) >Why would she not want to take that route? Most free form amino acids are >HCL based anyway and what does low stomache acid have to do with taking >amino acids? Trypsin quit working when pH goes to high and proteins are not degraded at all. Only when meeting bacteria, the proteins are degraded, but too late for your intestines to absorb the amino acids. On the other hands, giving much amino acids may contribute to high amounts of free amino acids in serum, which in turn may react with HOCl formed from neutrophils and eosinophils, and these products (amino acid chloramines) downgrade into aldehydes and Cl- plus water. Glycine eg.. gived lots of formaldehyde, far more than might be formed from aspartame (but, aspartate may form the taurine transport inhibitor beta-alanine (decarboxylation product of aspartate) which lower the natural scavenger of HOCl and expose other free amino acids to reaction with HOCl) Hello Mr Friedman, Thank you so much for your response. I am very interested to know if you think the Prevacid I have been taking could be making my depression worse. I believe it lowers the amount of stomach acid. Share your thoughts if you are willing. I have acid reflux, though I'm sure you figured that out. Seems like so many people do now a days. Any better way to treat that? There is a Doctor in town that specializes in the Amino Acid treaments, so I've been told, and I have an appointment for Monday at 3:00 so if you have any info I should know before I go, I certainly don't trust the cure just because he is a medical doctor and just because he says so but I will go sit and talk with him and see how it feels. My insticnt is pretty good but plenty of input to take along is even better. I really think that my hormones have been way out of ballance for many years. Now that I have lost my estrogen producing organs, the lack of estrogen is really effecting me. I cannot believe how much it is effecting me. I'm shocked and terrified by all the changes and how little help and support their really is for all of this. My young male doctor certainly doesn't really have a clue. He seems very good about many things but to understand the magnitude of what is happening to me...you just cannot unless you've been here. Not all women have it this bad but many do. I would love to get my remaining hormones and my system back in balance but I find getting real help is very difficult. As you can see, everyone has different perspectives and ideas and they feel very pasionate about what they believe. I will listen, read, weigh and see what comes out of it all. I'm so grateful to have found this group. Intelligent passionate poeple! Hurray! > Hello Mr Friedman, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > figured that out. Seems like so many people do now a days. Any better > way to treat that? Prevacid will absolutely make your depression worse. Since almost all acid reflux is caused by low stomach acid, if your depression started before taking Prevacid then it is a good bet that both your depression and your acid reflux were caused by low stomach acid. For more information, check out the book "Why Stomach Acid is Good for You" by Jonathan Wright. It has excellent suggestions on how to raise your own levels of stomach acid. Personally, I used to suffer from GERD and acid reflux, and have found that taking a few drops of liquid bitter herbs on my tongue ~15 minutes before each meal has elminated both problems. If you live in the Chicago area or in the Seattle area, then there are doctors that I know of that can help you with this. To answer Pizza Girl, the reason I say avoid amino acid therapy, even if it works, is that you are taking the approach of treating a symptom instead of eliminating the underlying cause. Even if you are successful, if the underlying problem is low stomach acid, and it is not corrected, you are at risk of further degradation of your health as time goes on. Basically, you need sufficiently high levels of stomach acid in order to absorb minerals and water soluble vitamins. Ed Friedman This information is awesome. It just makes sense to me and feels right. I am going to do the drops, 15 minutes before each meal. I've read further on this and it really does sound logical. Thank you so much. One more questions, if you will. You don't mean the bitters that are in some bar drinks do you? I just went to the Whole Foods Market in town and they didn't have anything. I will go to Betty Lou's Health Store tomorrow. Id' like to find the most ecomincal way of taking this. Thank you once again sir. Cathy > One more questions, if you will. You don't mean the bitters that are > in some bar drinks do you? I just went to the Whole Foods Market in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cathy Cathy, The place I buy my liquid bitters at is: http://www.herbalglobal.com/cart/bitters_alcohol_free/9483/bitters_alcohol_free.htm (ignore the directions on the label - a few drops on the tongue is the right way to go). I should clarify that acid reflux is caused by the lower esphageal sphinctor(LES) valve opening inappropriately with transient LES relaxations. When you have enough stomach acid and a low enough pH, the LES valve stays shut. As you age, and your stomach acid production decreases, the pH in your stomach rises and the LES valve opens when it shouldn't. When I did suffer from acid reflux, I used to taste food in my throat 2 or 3 hours after a meal. With normal amounts of stomach acid, the contents of a meal empty after 30-60 mins. Therefore, it is scientifically impossible for you to be suffering from too much stomach acid if you are taking several times the normal time to digest your meals. (There is a very rare condition called Zollinger-Ellison Syndrome, in which too much stomach acid is produced, but of course those individuals would digest their food more rapidly than normal, not less.) Ed Friedman Thank you so much! I appreciate your time and sharing so much. Low stomach acid does ***NOT*** create acid reflux. Low stomach acid cannot herniate your hiatus valve. High stomach acid can burn the eusophagus and hitaus valve so it doesn't operate correctly because the nerves are damaged. Acid reflux is caused by many things but the root of all of them is basically the same thing. Food does not transit through the intestines and the pressure back ups and herniates the hiatus valve in the stomach. Now tell me how the intestines do not have enough acid again! Now tell me exactly how acidic the intestines are supposed to be. The intestines do not digest using acid. Many people live on Pantaloc and other proton pump drugs and have no stomach acid at all. The stomach acid is only a predigestion phase for heavy proteins and not necessary most of the time. Digestive enzymes are created from amino acid combinations. If you are insufficiient in aminos reserves you won't digest at all. This happens with celiac as the villi are all damged. I believe this sounds like one of those cases > To answer Pizza Girl, the reason I say avoid amino acid therapy, even if > it works, is that you are taking the approach of treating a symptom [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ed Friedman I appreciate your input. I understand what you are saying about the damage that has been done by the acids to my esophagus. I have always wondered how the body would deal with having most of it's acid pumps shut down. It doesn't seem right in my head so I will try the liquid bitters. I do have the doctors appointment on Monday. His name is Gary Kohls. I'll let you know what I think once I've seen him. thank you for all the time and energy you are putting in to help me. It's amazing and I am listening. Cathy > Low stomach acid does ***NOT*** create acid reflux. Low stomach acid cannot > herniate your hiatus valve. High stomach acid can burn the eusophagus and [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > Ed Friedman You can live just fine without stomache acid at all (so I am told by several medical practicioners). I take breaks for the medication for a few weeks at a time and only use it once every few weeks now. Only when I abuse my self by eating wheat or certain other grain products. > I appreciate your input. I understand what you are saying about the > damage that has been done by the acids to my esophagus. I have always [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > > > Ed Friedman > You can live just fine without stomache acid at all (so I am told by several > medical practicioners). > > I take breaks for the medication for a few weeks at a time and only use it > once every few weeks now. Only when I abuse my self by eating wheat or > certain other grain products. Pizza Girl, I assume that you are being serious here, but do you realize that if what you say is true that these "medical practioners" are sitting on Nobel Prize material. This is totally revolutionary! Just think, nature has made a huge mistake in the entire animal kingdom by having stomach acid around to digest food. You should have your "medical practioners" write this up and submit it to a peer reviewed biological or medical journal. (This isn't that hard to do - even I have succeeded in doing this.) Seriously, since most medical schools do not offer courses in nutrition, it is likely that these "medical practioners" received their information from the drug companies. I doubt that any of these "medical practioners" have ever read any of the articles published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, let alone have ever published there. While it is true that chronic deficiencies in vitamins and minerals do not kill people outright, and people can probably live on a diet of solely pop and twinkies for some time, in neither case can this be considered "living just fine". Although anecdotal evidence is not real science, I am curious to know if you are aware of anyone who has ever taken acid blockers for 10 years daily and are in great health (no other drugs being taken, no other health problems). If you are convinced that stomach acid is worthless, then why do you ever take a break from your medication? As a final note of caution, although acid blockers have not yet been demonstrated to increase the rate of stomach cancer, it is a scientific fact that too much gastrin can lead to stomach cancer (Saltzman J. "Epidemiology and natural history of atrophic gastritis." In: Holt P, Russell R, eds. Chronic Gastritis and Hypochlorhydria in the Elderly, 31-48. Boca Raton, FL: CRC Press. 1993). It is also a fact that a 20mg daily dose of Prilosec results in a 3-4 fold increase in gastrin (Prilosec (omeprazole). "Prescribing Information". 2000, Merck & Col, West Point, PA 19486.). Although no direct link has yet been demonstrated between acid blockers and stomach cancer, now that Prilosec is available over the counter, I would be interested in knowing which publicly traded companies would profit if the number of cases of stomach cancer should skyrocket in the upcoming years. Please let me know if you know of any such companies. Ed Friedman When you are done bragging maybe you can use your brain and think about it some more. Some people do not even have stomaches and live full lives. > > You can live just fine without stomache acid at all (so I am told by several > > medical practicioners). [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Ed Friedman > Some people do not even have stomaches and live full lives. Of course it is possible to live a full life following total gastrectomy, but not without medical intervention. Check out: www.ino.ie/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?TabID=225&ItemID=2732&mid=7343 "Malnutrition is one of the main complications following gastric cancer. Total gastrectomy (TG), by altering the physiology of digestion and damaging the delicate mechanisms at the gastro-oesophageal junction, will inevitably lead to malnutrition." Ed Friedman Have you ever been tested for coeliac? Acid reflux is typically a food allergic response. Grains will do this every time. The bad digestion after years of coeliac and gluten intake will make you deficient in everything and you fall apart or die. ask here and hear the horror stories as people get older alt.support.celiac > Hello Mr Friedman, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I'm so grateful to have found this group. Intelligent passionate > poeple! Hurray! > Does anyone in this group have any first hand experience with taking > amino acid supplements? Yes. Read Mindell's "The vitamin bible". Specific amino acids have specific uses. > Has anyone else seen the video "What the Bleep Do We Know". If so, > would you like to share responses? No, I have not. Have not needed to. > My name is Cathy and I live in Minnesota. I'm struggling with some > memory changes and negative feelings. I've been told to go on > anti-deppressants but I don't want to. I have used them in the past > and they have their place but I don't think long term use is wise. I > am looking for other more natural solutions. L-Glutamine and Ginko biloba. For a start. And give up wheat.  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson I've tried: Glutamine, Tyrptophan, Tyrosine, dl-Phenylalanine, Taurine, Glutamine had the best effect on me, significantly improving my mood and memory, and making me feel more connected and energetic in general. Tryptophan made me feel slightly woozy in the day, if anything it slightly depressed my mood, made me less motivated, no improvement in memory either. And when going off to sleep after taking tryptophan, I got the sensation I was literally falling off to sleep, like falling through the air. The effects of tryp on me were quite surprising because of all the fuss that is made about serotonin's role in depression, it's not for me though. Tyrosine hardly produces a noticeable effect in me, maybe slightly more mental energy but not a big deal. Phenylalanine I didn't like at all, made me fell very jittery and nervous and made my mind race, was very stimulating, but only on the mental level. Encouraged my mind to go round and round over the same thoughts. Tyrosine produced a gentle, calm feeling, a slight sense of ease, but didn't noticably help my memory. Another thing you need to be aware of with amino acids, is that vit B6 is very important as a co-factor for the enzymes that metabolise them. If you are taking amino supps for extended periods then you want to look into getting extra b6 too. The acid reflux you have can be a sign of low stomach acid, as the pH level is too low to stimulate the proper opening of the gastric sphincter, the food acid mix stays in the stomach and can reflux back up into the oesophagus which isn't protected by mucus in the same way as the stomach. Low stomach acid is major hurdle to proper nutrition as a good strong acid is essential to preparing many elements of food for further digestion and absorption. Have a read of this article on Hypochlorhydria http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Oct/ai_78900837 All the best. Tony. :: Does anyone in this group have any first hand experience with taking :: amino acid supplements? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: and they have their place but I don't think long term use is wise. I :: am looking for other more natural solutions. Amino acid carnosine might be helpful but I think that fish oils (especially in ethyl esther form) and vitamin B's are probably more helpful. For memory problems also ginkgo biloba, phosphatidylserine (excellent natural source is mackerel) and lecithin granules. SignatureJuhana Which Amino Acid? 5HTP can turn into serotonin and can help with depression. 100 - 200 mg per day is a typical dose. Theonine comes from green tea and can increase Alpha Brain Waves helping with anxiety, 200 - 400 mg per day is typical dosage. Good Luck, Dan http://spaces.msn.com/members/praxislife/ http://spaces.msn.com/members/praxislife/feed.rss :: Which Amino Acid? 5HTP can turn into serotonin and can help with :: depression. 100 - 200 mg per day is a typical dose. :: Theonine comes from green tea and can increase Alpha Brain Waves :: helping with anxiety, 200 - 400 mg per day is typical dosage. Dietary amino acid tryptophan is a precursor of serotonin. Eating an almost lactovegetarian diet ( + fatty fish for other reasons to relieve depression) helps to raise the serotonin levels in brain. That can in turn help in depression. SignatureJuhana Not recommended! 5HTP almost put me in the hospital once. Bad stuff if you don't metabolize it correctly. > Which Amino Acid? 5HTP can turn into serotonin and can help with > depression. 100 - 200 mg per day is a typical dose. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://spaces.msn.com/members/praxislife/ > http://spaces.msn.com/members/praxislife/feed.rss You are the first person I have ever heard have a toxic reaction to 5HTP. Tryptophan turns into 5HTP before it turns into serotonin. If you had an adverse reaction to 5HTP it might have been caused by too much serotonin already being produced. "Do not buy the hype. Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Lexapro, Celexa, and Luvox may not be right for you. Some people buy 50 mg, then 100, 150, then 200 mg of these drugs. Likely many would stand better with 5HTP. Benefits of 5HTP over pharmaceutical drugs 5-HTP costs ~ 80% less than most SSRI's 5-HTP is quick acting (days or weeks vice weeks or months) 5-HTP is not habit forming 5-HTP is natural - not synthetic - lacks most side effects 5-HTP need only be taken when depressed 5-HTP does not cause extreme withdrawal symptoms Do You Feel Depressed? Coupling 5-HTP with a good diet, vitamins, and regular exercise can help you overcome depression without taking drugs. 5-HTP is a natural antidepressant which elevates serotonin levels naturally. Serotonin is the same neurotransmitter that is artificially manipulated with the street drug Ecstasy and the Pharmaceutical drugs in the Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor family (Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro, Celexa, Luvox...). 5-HTP helps you create more serotonin naturally, lacking many of the common side effects of the above drugs." http://www.5htp.cc/ No! Trytophan metabolizes into 5HTP only in the brain. When you take 5HTP orally it exists in places in your body it is not supposed to be. Many people have this same negative response. It is not a toxic reaction. More like a niacin flush reaction. Review your metabolic pathways more first. Do not give advice about SSRI medications. You have no idea what you are talking about or experience with these genetic disorders. > You are the first person I have ever heard have a toxic reaction to > 5HTP. Tryptophan turns into 5HTP before it turns into serotonin. If [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > above drugs." > http://www.5htp.cc/ >No! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Do not give advice about SSRI medications. You have no idea what you are >talking about or experience with these genetic disorders. Funny. For once, I agree :-) |
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