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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2005Whole Foods Market SUCKs
I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and a roll and small quantities of food from the self-serve bins; and it's located nearby. I recall asking an employee if it was OK to sample from the bins since who knows what's fresh, and he said sure that's fine, he says everybody does it. However the more I went to Whole Foods, not just to one but to any of them in my area (3 total), the more it has just seemed like despite a few laid back employees who think rationally about how the business should be run, actually many of them have a police state mentality. The other day I could swear that two of these wage-slaves actually followed me out to my car to get my license plate number. Could it be because I tried out an item from a bin like I was told I could? I had previously noticed that they 'police' the bin area, trying to keep someone there. Yikes, these people are on edge? Well what I want to know is, if they're so paranoid then why have bins at all? And what insane religion is being taught at Whole Foods that cause people making only $8 on hour at best do things like follow people out of the store? On top of that insanity, when I think about it, there's just no good reason for going to Whole Foods since mostly their prices are sky-high compared to almost any other store. And it's not like other stores don't carry equivalent stuff. And then there's the shoppers! I detect an overly high proportion of those revolting older female botox-addict types who think driving a fancy car makes them important, instead of the obvious: lonely and desperate for attention and of no importance whatsoever i.e. Desperate Housewives types. I now recognize that Whole Foods is not so much a supermarket as it is a corporate high-security boutique which they operate like someone's little fiefdom, no doubt complete with torture chamber. Still, most people have an assumption that when they walk into a retail business to shop, browse, accept samples, and then buy, that's the end of it. At this shithole called Whole Foods, it's not about that kind of simple commerce. It's about them extracting money from phoney shoppers who pretend to have class, and if you aren't in their target demographic then screw you, and in fact you'd better watch out because some of their employees are moronic True Believers in the Corporate Cause and may be up to no good. Gee, NICE (?) chap, do you like anyone or anything? Dave > I really despise Whole Foods. .... and on and on......... > Gee, NICE (?) chap, do you like anyone or anything? Mayhap he's channeling Timmay. IBM > I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there > because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > are sky-high compared to almost any other store. And it's not > like other stores don't carry equivalent stuff. I've never shopped at Whole Foods (never been close enough to one), but I have shopped at a place that's probably like it, and that place is called Earth Fare (they mostly have stores in the Southeast for now). I'll admit I don't exactly "fit in" when I go in that store, which makes things slightly uncomfortable in there, and I wouldn't want to go advertising that I shop there to all my friends/acquaintances I guess. There is a slight "guilty" or maybe paranoid feeling I get when I go in there kind of, not wanting to be one of those who thinks he's "better than everybody else" or implies it by shopping at Earth Fare, but maybe that's what I'm doing subconsciously. But, I like to think I go in there to shop because I _can't_ find half the stuff they sell at a normal grocery store. None of their products has trans fat in it and many don't have a couple of other ingredients that I'd rather just not have in my food if I can help it, and at the same time the selection isn't great (stores aren't huge but definitely aren't small). So, when you've made a choice to limit trans fat in your diet whenever possible, yet you aren't as strict as someone who never likes to eat processed food such as frozen food, then you have a lot more choice to choose from in a place like Earth Fare and probably Whole Foods, at least for now. I realize that foods such as frozen food do not "maximize health," (my goal anyway is not to maximize health but the have optimal health based on my preferences) but if you had a choice of shopping Earth Fare's frozen food, most of it with minimal additional ingredients like trans fat or MSG (have to look for MSG if you're trying to avoid it though), vs. what you'd find in a normal supermarket, you'd much rather choose a place like Earth Fare if you can afford it. It does suck though to feel like a "yuppie" when you go in there. I guess that's unfortunately what I am, and maybe I should just get over it. <snip> > None of their products has trans fat in it and > many don't have a couple of other ingredients that I'd rather just not > have in my food if I can help it, and at the same time the selection > isn't great (stores aren't huge but definitely aren't small). <snip> I meant to say their selection IS great... Earth Fare really does have a lot of good stuff to choose from, especially for not having huge stores. > I meant to say their selection IS great... Earth Fare really does have > a lot of good stuff to choose from, especially for not having huge > stores. Whole Foods may be a bit different. Their variety isn't very good but they charge a lot more than stores a few miles away. They pretend to specialize in luxury foods and yet, once I tried to order a wine they were completely at a loss on how to proceed, and their "experts" were never around. Whole Foods is just a typical corporate sham and like many corporations they have some very paranoid ideas about store security. If you want healthy food, avoid Whole Foods market. Some links: http://www.cdfe.org/whole_foods.htm http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/cspi_food_suits.html [snip] > I'll admit I don't exactly "fit in" when I go in that store, [snip] Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing paranoia. Just go back into hiding. > [snip] > > I'll admit I don't exactly "fit in" when I go in that store, > [snip] > > Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing > paranoia. Just go back into hiding. lol will do, Mr. Ranger. > Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing > paranoia. Just go back into hiding. Your lowly personal attack only shows you fear an actual debate because you know you'll lose. > Your lowly personal attack only shows you fear an > actual debate because you know you'll lose. That's it, Fuckwit. I'm afraid I'll lose coup to a sociopathic loon that thinks Corporate WF is out to get just him. Yeah; uh-huh. >>Your lowly personal attack only shows you fear an >>actual debate because you know you'll lose. > > That's it, Fuckwit. I'm afraid I'll lose coup to a sociopathic loon that > thinks Corporate WF is out to get just him. Yeah; uh-huh. Now, admit it, Ranger. It's possible. I really mean that. Guy has punctuation and actual parts of speech in his posts, and all, so you know he's fierce, nearly. And you know how those grocery chains go after people and harass them. Probably because they already have enough customers. My theory. And have I mentioned it's equally possible to teach a pig to recite Shakespeare. No, seriously... Pastorio >> Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing >> paranoia. Just go back into hiding. > > Your lowly personal attack only shows you fear an actual debate > because you know you'll lose. Ok which one is the moocher - show of hands please... > Ok which one is the moocher - show of hands please... By "moocher" do you mean anyone who has, on occasion, "grazed" in the Whole Foods bulk bins...guilty here...confession is good for the soul... >>Ok which one is the moocher - show of hands please... > > By "moocher" do you mean anyone who has, on occasion, "grazed" in the > Whole Foods bulk bins...guilty here...confession is good for the soul... Nope. The "occassional" grazer wasn't what I meant. I'm talking the full blown bin-sampling chipmunk-cheeked moocher here! > >> Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing > >> paranoia. Just go back into hiding. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ok which one is the moocher - show of hands please... He's a lowlIfe MOOCHER! -------------------- "But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." -White House Press Briefing, April 10, 2003 Whats the difference? ~ George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon. Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," George Bush, February 22, 2005 RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's a.s. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.c >>>>Of course you don't fit in. You never did. Don't fight your growing >>>>paranoia. Just go back into hiding. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He's a lowlIfe MOOCHER! This guy makes anyone who shops to feed a real family just totally creeped out. What's the next rant anyway...geting 86'd from the Gas-a-Mat restroom for sponge-bathing in the sink? >I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there >because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >watch out because some of their employees are moronic >True Believers in the Corporate Cause and may be up to no good. So then don't shop there. A store can't be all things to all people. > So then don't shop there. A store can't be all things to all people. Where there's smoke, there's fire. http://www.mindfully.org/Water/2003/Mercury-Swordfish-Tuna-Shark18jan03.htm http://www.cdfe.org/whole_foods.htm http://www.seaturtles.org/actionalertdetails.cfm?actionAlertID=55 >> So then don't shop there. A store can't be all things to all people. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >http://www.seaturtles.org/actionalertdetails.cfm?actionAlertID=55 I now find it hard to believe your original story and it appears now you have another agenda. I find it hard to believe that a person (not mentally disturbed) would go on this crusade as you apparently have against the company simply because they did not want your grubby hands in the food bins. > I recall asking an employee if it was OK to sample > from the bins since who knows what's fresh, and he > said sure that's fine, he says everybody does it. Just cause 'everyone does it' doesnt make it ok to do. He was wrong to tell you this, and you are wrong for doing it. Buy a wee bit to try out, if its stale, then take it back for a refund instead. > Could it be because I tried out an item from a bin > like I was told I could? Some people eat their way thru the bins 'sampling' and dont buy anything so yes in a way thats stealing. > I had previously noticed that they 'police' the bin area, trying > to keep someone there. Yikes, these people are on edge? No actually its a health law and they can get fined for letting people put their grubby hands into the bins (thats why they have tongs or scoops so you dont touch the foods). Also an employee needs to watch the container area so some weirdo doesnt contaminate the foods with something intentionally where everyone gets sick and the store gets sued. They're paranoid? I dont think so because stuff like that happens. Ya know if you dont like the place for one reason or another (and rich women with too much botox happening is a stupid reason) dont shop there. I go where I want to shop regardless of whether they make me 'feel' unimportant or watched or whatever it doesnt matter to me as long as they have what I want, my spending dollar is as just good as anyone elses. joanne > Just cause 'everyone does it' doesnt make it ok to do. He was wrong to > tell you this, and you are wrong for doing it. No, I'm not wrong. Many small stores allow sampling, and Whole Foods wants to project that air of personableness. They just don't want to follow through! This is very typical of Whole Foods: feigned generosity that masks harsh greed feigned friendliness that masks a police-state mentality feigned quality that masks food dangers In short, the stereotypical unethical Texas-based company. http://www.cdfe.org/whole_foods.htm http://www.mindfully.org/Water/2003/Mercury-Swordfish-Tuna-Shark18jan03.htm http://www.seaturtles.org/actionalertdetails.cfm?actionAlertID=55 >> Just cause 'everyone does it' doesnt make it ok to do. He was wrong to >> tell you this, and you are wrong for doing it. > > No, I'm not wrong. YES you ARE wrong, you flaming a.shole! > Many small stores allow sampling, and Whole Foods > wants to project that air of personableness. They just don't want > to follow through! Or maybe after you showed up for the umpteenth time wandering through the place like Dagwood Bumstead on a freebie sammich binge they said, "hey, enough is enough!" Sheesh, learn the dumpsters ya mooch. You kin score some decent eats if ya hang out at KFC past the close. I think it's a great store, but you have to use it wisely. My problem is that it's the closest supermarket to my house. It's actually two minutes walk. I have to fight to tendency to walk over there every time I need something, that is a lot less at the regular chain supermarkets. The quality of the meats, fish, and cheeses are superb, and I always get my main items there if I plan on cooking a good weekend family meal, or for guests. Good dry-aged steaks can't be bought in standard supermarkets, but the whoppers I had last weekend from Whole Foods were nirvana. I like the produce staff as they actually know their produce, and will often go rooting around in the back if I want something that isn't on display. I have never experienced anything less than super fresh at the help-yourself salad bars, I don't buy all this crap about making sure it's fresh. You sound like an angry freeloader to me. > You > sound like an angry freeloader to me. Precisely, so whoever looked on Whole Foods or Wild Oats as a place to shop "cheaply" anyway? > > You > > sound like an angry freeloader to me. > > Precisely, so whoever looked on Whole Foods or Wild Oats as a place to > shop "cheaply" anyway? HOLY sh.t! Phanny and I agree on something! This guy is a whining dweeb. -------------------- "But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." -White House Press Briefing, April 10, 2003 Whats the difference? ~ George W. Bush, 2003-12-16 in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon. Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum. Rumsfeld confesses on video. http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table," George Bush, February 22, 2005 RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's a.s. http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.c >>>You >>>sound like an angry freeloader to me. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > This guy is a whining dweeb. OK, it's a first, lol, life can be a sporadic series of collisions... > I think it's a great store, but you have to use it wisely. My problem is > that it's the closest supermarket to my house. It's actually two minutes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > salad bars, I don't buy all this crap about making sure it's fresh. You > sound like an angry freeloader to me. Well stated Mr. R. I agree about pricing too. I avoid them when I can but for instance their salmon is always super fresh...quite unlike the glazed-opaque salmon the other stores in Dallas sell...ugh. On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:42:35 -0400 in <A6udnayHzbsUpD7fRVn-jA@comcast.com>, Nice Chap <nc@lkdsjflkajsdflkjdaslkfjdslkafjdsklfdja.org> graced the world with this thought: >I really despise Whole Foods. Sorry you lost your job. That's about the only reason I can figure why someone would crosspost some insane rant about their opinion of a grocery store to four newsgroups... perhaps you just need a friend. > I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there > because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and > a roll and small quantities of food from the self-serve bins; > and it's located nearby. I recall asking an employee if it > was OK to sample from the bins since who knows what's fresh, > and he said sure that's fine, he says everybody does it. Groovy, yer one step up from dumpster diving. So just how many free meals were ya scarfing outta the bins ya friggin' parasite? Sheesh, take yer f.cked up attitude and sanctimonious misanthropy and go back to ripping off Wal Mart - don't worry though..."everybody does it"... > I really despise Whole Foods. Suggestion: Keep your whining to yourself and don't go there. Jeff Yes. They do. FAR too bright, too loud, too expensive and too intrusive. I never, ever go there. > Yes. They do. FAR too bright, too loud, too expensive and too > intrusive. I never, ever go there. What, they come to your house, shine a light on you and try to sell you food? Since you never ever go there, I guess that's how you know how they are. > I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there > because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and > a roll and small quantities of food from the self-serve bins; > and it's located nearby. I recall asking an employee if it > was OK to sample from the bins since who knows what's fresh, > and he said sure that's fine, he says everybody does it. Perhaps they don't want the homeless sampling their food for free anymore. Next time try the mission. > However the more I went to Whole Foods, not just to one but to > any of them in my area (3 total), the more it has just seemed [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > watch out because some of their employees are moronic > True Believers in the Corporate Cause and may be up to no good. You need to get laid or have a drink. Rizzo > I really despise Whole Foods. I used to go there > because I could get a few things cheaply, like salad and [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > watch out because some of their employees are moronic > True Believers in the Corporate Cause and may be up to no good. The NY Times magazine had a feature about how fearful the owner of Fairway in NY is of the expansion of Whole Foods into the market. What a coinkydink. Susan > You need to get laid or have a drink. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>watch out because some of their employees are moronic >>True Believers in the Corporate Cause and may be up to no good. >x-no-archive: yes > >The NY Times magazine had a feature about how fearful the owner of >Fairway in NY is of the expansion of Whole Foods into the market. What >a coinkydink. I can see his worry, but to me they're serving two different markets. Fairway gives you wide quality at still decent prices. Whole Foods doesn't have any reasonable prices at all, really. Try to get $4.99/pound coffee at Whole Foods. The whole key to Fairway's success was quality at reasonable prices. Whole Foods just takes advantage of the fact that often NY'ers and other city residents are willing to vastly overpay for something once it's the thing to have. > I can see his worry, but to me they're serving two different markets. > Fairway gives you wide quality at still decent prices. Whole Foods > doesn't have any reasonable prices at all, really. Try to get > $4.99/pound coffee at Whole Foods. I shop Fairway at least a few times per month; selection for some things is great, prices are very good, and some items are of high quality. Some items are *way* past fresh (produce, overripe to the point of rotten cheeses) and the coffee is lousy, really bad, no matter which price point you buy it at. Avoid their catering at all costs. > The whole key to Fairway's success was quality at reasonable prices. > Whole Foods just takes advantage of the fact that often NY'ers and > other city residents are willing to vastly overpay for something once > it's the thing to have. Fairway, on LI, anyway, is stronger on variety than on quality. Quality is a "buyer beware" issue at Fairway. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >rotten cheeses) and the coffee is lousy, really bad, no matter which >price point you buy it at. I suppose, like anything else, opinions of these types vary with preferences. I happen to think Fairway's coffee is at least as good as Starbucks and as David says, it comes from a reputable source. Starbucks overroasts the hell out of its beans to make them last longer and I've just never found anything to their coffee that makes it worth the significant price premium. I don't buy their cheeses or produce. I get produce locally in Astoria and would go to Murray's if I wanted high-quality cheese. > I suppose, like anything else, opinions of these types vary with > preferences. I happen to think Fairway's coffee is at least as good as > Starbucks and as David says, it comes from a reputable source. I don't like most Starbuck's coffee, either. Fairway coffee tastes no better than stale, canned coffee to me. > Starbucks overroasts the hell out of its beans to make them last > longer and I've just never found anything to their coffee that makes > it worth the significant price premium. Yep, they burn the beans and the brew. > I don't buy their cheeses or produce. I get produce locally in Astoria > and would go to Murray's if I wanted high-quality cheese. I don't live near Astoria, but it *is* a culinary extravaganza. :-) I live near a Wild by Nature (King Kullen) that has steadily slipped in quality, service, selection and freshness for years, and 7 miles from a Fairway that I shop in regularly. It's a caveat emptor kind of shopping experience. Now that I know which stuff is good and which is rotten or about to rot, I go less often, but still go for variety of certain items. I can't wait til Whole Foods opens its store closer to me. Susan |
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