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Yogurt, the lesser of two evils (sugars)

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Bradley V. Stone - 03 Jun 2005 02:58 GMT
I have been lactose intollerant for about 15 years.  Recently I've had
friends with similar problems tell me they've been able to eat cheese
and yogurt without any problems.

Cautiously I tried cheese.  No problems!  (which I assume there
shouldn't be since there are 0 grams of sugars/lactose).  That made me
very happy.

Then I tried yogurt.  I'm sensitive to too much sugar (especially fruit
sugars and HFCS) and only found 1 brand that had less than 10 grams of
sugars per serving, but sweetened with Splenda or Apspartame.  (Blue
Bunny lite 85 brand)

Even plain yogurt seemed to have 18-24 grams of sugars.  If that's
lactose, I want to steer clear.  If it's HFCS, again, same thing.

But, since yogurt seems to work for me (except some serious gas LOL!)
which is the lesser of two evils:

1.  Plain yogurt with 18-24 grams of sugar (real sugar, not artificial
or HFCS)
2.  Flavored yogurt (vanilla mainly since fruits upset me) with 6-8
grams of sugars, but sweetened with splenda or aspartame.

Both of course only with live cultures in them (which I assume are the
cause of the gas for me.. LOL!)

Thanks!
calypso47@voyager.net - 03 Jun 2005 16:21 GMT
"Both of course only with live cultures in them (which I assume are the
cause of the gas for me.."

Correct, the lactose not digested in your upper gut is bacteria food in
the lower and the gas the byproduct of their digestion.  This is a
continuation of the process whereby the bacteria fermented the milk by
consuming some of the original lactose to turn it into yogurt and created
gas and lactic acid, which is the source of the tart taste.  The live
bacteria makes no difference in this instance because the several billion
in your gut will be happy feasters all the same.
David - 03 Jun 2005 17:19 GMT
I know I have seen the soy based yogurt on the shelves, but I don't
recall the ingredients.
posted at www.healthcareforums.org
Bradley V. Stone - 03 Jun 2005 19:55 GMT
Soy has just as much if not more sugars than yoplait.

> I know I have seen the soy based yogurt on the shelves, but I don't
> recall the ingredients.
> posted at www.healthcareforums.org
Pizza Girl - 03 Jun 2005 20:19 GMT
How would you know it was the lactose you have a problem with? Milk has very
many other problem associated with it.

Another point: Allergies are threashold problems and little bits may be
handled by your system quite well, especiall since you system is quite
"clean" right now. Careful, youre evaluation may be based on trying little
bits of this and that and then one day **POW** what happenned? Quantity is
everything.

I have been lactose intollerant for about 15 years.  Recently I've had
friends with similar problems tell me they've been able to eat cheese
and yogurt without any problems.

Cautiously I tried cheese.  No problems!  (which I assume there
shouldn't be since there are 0 grams of sugars/lactose).  That made me
very happy.

Then I tried yogurt.  I'm sensitive to too much sugar (especially fruit
sugars and HFCS) and only found 1 brand that had less than 10 grams of
sugars per serving, but sweetened with Splenda or Apspartame.  (Blue
Bunny lite 85 brand)

Even plain yogurt seemed to have 18-24 grams of sugars.  If that's
lactose, I want to steer clear.  If it's HFCS, again, same thing.

But, since yogurt seems to work for me (except some serious gas LOL!)
which is the lesser of two evils:

1.  Plain yogurt with 18-24 grams of sugar (real sugar, not artificial
or HFCS)
2.  Flavored yogurt (vanilla mainly since fruits upset me) with 6-8
grams of sugars, but sweetened with splenda or aspartame.

Both of course only with live cultures in them (which I assume are the
cause of the gas for me.. LOL!)

Thanks!
Bradley V. Stone - 05 Jun 2005 23:26 GMT
> How would you know it was the lactose you have a problem with? Milk has very
> many other problem associated with it.
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> bits of this and that and then one day **POW** what happenned? Quantity is
> everything.

How about 2 years of explosive D after having my daily glass of milk for
breakfast, then finally realizing after cutting that out that's what it
was.  Most of "us" that are lactose intollerant know what causes it...
why?  It's so explosive it's painfully (no pun intended) obvious.

All I'm looking for is to know what's worse:

Yogurt with 20g of sugars (naturally and or sweetened with table sugar)

or

Yogurt with 6g of sugars, sweetened with aspartaime or splenda

And...

How much of the 20g in the first is lactose and how much is sugar?  And
if a yogurt sweetened with splenda how could it have less sugars than a
natural plain yogurt?
Pizza Girl - 06 Jun 2005 01:03 GMT
again I ask " how do you know you have a lactose problem?"
Because you have a problem with milk (we'll assume your diagnosis was
correct), what makes you think the hype the dairy boards are putting out
about lactose applies to you?

> > How would you know it was the lactose you have a problem with? Milk has very
> > many other problem associated with it.
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> if a yogurt sweetened with splenda how could it have less sugars than a
> natural plain yogurt?
MMu - 06 Jun 2005 09:57 GMT
> again I ask " how do you know you have a lactose problem?"
> Because you have a problem with milk (we'll assume your diagnosis was
> correct), what makes you think the hype the dairy boards are putting out
> about lactose applies to you?

gas and diarrhea are typical symptoms of lactose intolerance.
what else should it be? proteins can to my knowledge not be fermented by gut
batceria and therefore don't produce gas, and an allergic reaction would
very probably be a lot more drastic.

lactose intolerance is quite common and often associated with fructose
malabsorption as well.

the sugar in yoghurts is, for the most part, sucrose (in addition to what
they put in there afterwards), not lactose. the starter cultures use lactose
as a substrate, thats why most lactose intolerant people have no problem
with plain yoghurt.

cheese, depending on the type of cheese, does contain some to practically no
lactose. soft cheese usually has more, hard cheese usually has less.

you might want to try something like lactose-free milk, soy milk or rice
milk if you want a milk substitute.

>> > How would you know it was the lactose you have a problem with? Milk has
> very
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>> if a yogurt sweetened with splenda how could it have less sugars than a
>> natural plain yogurt?
Bradley V. Stone - 06 Jun 2005 22:00 GMT
What hype are you referring too?  I've been lactose intollerant since I
was 21.. that was 16 years ago...

I don't understand what pleasure people get from trying to tell people
who know they're lactose intollerant that "they are not" and "a glass of
milk shouldnt be enough to cause problems."

It's like telling someone who is alergic to bee stings that maybe it's
not the bee's poison.

Thanks for answering my original question, which has nothing to do with
lactose, though.

> again I ask " how do you know you have a lactose problem?"
> Because you have a problem with milk (we'll assume your diagnosis was
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>>if a yogurt sweetened with splenda how could it have less sugars than a
>>natural plain yogurt?
Pizza Girl - 07 Jun 2005 02:04 GMT
You keep avoiding the question. How do you know you are lactose intolerant.

How do you know the lactose bothers you?

Have you have some lab tests. Have you tried lactase products and resolved
it?

How do you know? Did you just guess because of the dairy board hype it is
lactose?

Nobody is saying you do not have a problem with dairy or lactose. I am only
asking how you know it is lactose.

> What hype are you referring too?  I've been lactose intollerant since I
> was 21.. that was 16 years ago...
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> >>if a yogurt sweetened with splenda how could it have less sugars than a
> >>natural plain yogurt?
Bradley V. Stone - 07 Jun 2005 14:49 GMT
> You keep avoiding the question. How do you know you are lactose intolerant.

I asked my question first.  Why are you avoiding it and changing the
subject?  Why are you so concerned about my lactose intollerance?  I'm
not.  I live with it just fine.  I have for over 16 years.

> How do you know the lactose bothers you?

The same reason I know people that try to tell me "lactose isn't the
problem" bother me.  It's painfully obvious.

> Have you have some lab tests. Have you tried lactase products and resolved
> it?

My Dr. (both my GP and GI) didn't do any tests.  After hearing my
symptoms, it was pretty obvious to them and felt it was unneeded.

> How do you know? Did you just guess because of the dairy board hype it is
> lactose?

What dairy board hype do you keep asking about?

I know not of any lactose dairy board hype.  (or maybe I'm undercover..
ya.. that's the ticket.. I asked a question about yogurt and
subliminally put a line about lactose in it to fish for "milk huggers").

> Nobody is saying you do not have a problem with dairy or lactose. I am only
> asking how you know it is lactose.

You wouldn't ask if you were lactose intollerant.  It's so obvious when
you are it's not even a question.  Thanks for your time and attention to
my original post...
 
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