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TC - 26 Apr 2005 21:45 GMT
Tempers Flare as Vioxx Cases Come to Trial

April 26, 2005
Giant drugmaker Merck & Co. has vowed to fight every one of the
thousands of personal injury cases filed against it after the Vioxx
withdrawal, starting with the case of Brad Rogers, 42, an ambulance
dispatcher in Alabama.

Merck came out swinging, its lawyers calling Rogers' widow, Cheryl, 33,
a liar. At a pre-trial deposition, she presented packages of Vioxx that
she said her husband had used just before his death from a heart
attack.

But Merck's lawyers said the packages in question left the Merck
factory six months after Rogers died. Rogers' lawyers shot back that it
was an unintentional error and then filed a motion seeking sanctions
against Merck for violating a protective order and disclosing personal
and confidential information about Mrs. Rogers and her husband.

In addition, the motion cites Merck being in violation of the
provisions of the federal health privacy act, HIPAA, by disclosing
personal medical information pertaining to Brad Rogers.

Vioxx was withdrawn from the market last September after studies
suggested it doubled the risk of heart attack and stroke in those who
took the drug for more than 18 months.

Merck has set aside $675 million to fight the roughly 2,500 cases that
have been filed. Its defense strategy, as illustrated in the Rogers
case, is to question whether Vioxx was actually to blame for the deaths
and illnesses claimed by the plaintiffs, or whether other factors,
including lifestyle, heredity, diet and smoking may have been
significant.

Rogers collapsed and died shortly after finishing a night shift. He was
overweight and had high blood pressure and high cholesterol, which is
why his lawyers say he shouldn't have been taking Vioxx.

Attorney Jere Beasley, representing Mrs. Rogers, asked that since Merck
allegedly violated the protective order by releasing information about
the Rogers couple to the press, the court vacate its protective order
as it relates to documents produced by Merck. He is asking the court to
allow for public disclosure by plaintiffs' attorneys of all Merck
documents.

"Releasing Merck's documents would serve the public interest by
exposing its wrongful conduct over the years," Beasley said. "Clinical
tests have proven Vioxx is and was a dangerous drug. It has killed
literally thousands of unsuspecting victims who trusted the company and
who had no idea that Vioxx caused heart attacks and strokes."

During the Advantage trial in 2000, eight people taking Vioxx suffered
heart attacks or sudden cardiac death, compared with just one taking
naproxen, according to data released by the FDA earlier this year,
Beasley said.

The difference was statistically significant, but Merck never disclosed
the data that way. In fact, according to previously undisclosed Merck
records, including email messages between top Merck officials, it
appears that Merck went out of its way to hide these facts, Beasley
said in a news release.

In 2000, amid rising concerns that its painkiller Vioxx posed heart
risks, Merck overruled one of its own scientists after he suggested
that a patient in a clinical trial had probably died of a heart attack,
he said.

"Merck intentionally misled the public and the medical community by
withholding information relating to known dangers associated with
taking Vioxx," Beasley says.

Merck argues that Mrs. Rogers' credibility has been damaged and moved
for a dismissal of the case.

--

TC
TC - 26 Apr 2005 21:47 GMT
here is the link to the story:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/vioxx_trial_01.html

TC

> Tempers Flare as Vioxx Cases Come to Trial
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> TC
Robert - 27 Apr 2005 07:16 GMT
MONTREAL, QC -- November 15, 1999 -- Vioxx T(rofecoxib), a
Canadian-discovered breakthrough in arthritis will be available today in
most pharmacies across Canada. Receiving fast-track review and recent
approval by Health Canada, Vioxx is indicated for the treatment for the
relief of the signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis (OA) in adults. Vioxx is
also approved for acute adult pain relief and the treatment of menstrual
pain.

People living with arthritis are challenged daily with simple tasks such as
opening a prescription bottle or tackling a blister pack containing their
medication. Vioxx is the only arthritis prescription medication with a
specially designed, user friendly cap feature, which makes it easier for
people with arthritis to open their prescription bottle.

"I am delighted that this Canadian discovery is now available for Canadians
with arthritis'', said Dr. François Bertrand, Director, Clinical Research at
Merck Frosst Canada & Co. "The specially-designed bottle cap is a meaningful
gesture that will simplify a regular daily task for people with arthritis.''

Vioxx is priced at $1.25 per day, excluding professional dispensing fees,
for either the 12.5 mg or 25 mg dose, which is similar to the other product
in its class. The recommended therapeutic dose of Vioxx for OA is 12.5 mg
once daily to a maximum of 25 mg once daily.

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/146fee.htm
TC - 27 Apr 2005 14:46 GMT
So your point is what? That Pharma has co-opted the drug approval
process in Canada too? Big surprise. Duh!

TC

> MONTREAL, QC -- November 15, 1999 -- Vioxx T(rofecoxib), a
> Canadian-discovered breakthrough in arthritis will be available today in
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> http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/146fee.htm
Robert - 27 Apr 2005 20:08 GMT
So your point is what? That Pharma has co-opted the drug approval
process in Canada too? Big surprise. Duh!

Not only that my friend but drugs are much more, more, more cheaper. Their
system approves cheap toxic drugs compared to the US. Look at the rediculous
price they were selling the drug.
Your system is unsafe and intentionally exposes the patients to dangerous
new drugs.
In the US the newer drugs are much more expensive and so fewer people are
exposed to them.
The thirty million people without insurance can not afford them as a result
they must use cheaper older drugs with known safety track records.

TC

Robert wrote:
> MONTREAL, QC -- November 15, 1999 -- Vioxx T(rofecoxib), a
> Canadian-discovered breakthrough in arthritis will be available today
in
> most pharmacies across Canada. Receiving fast-track review and recent
> approval by Health Canada, Vioxx is indicated for the treatment for
the
> relief of the signs and symptoms of osteoarthritis (OA) in adults.
Vioxx is
> also approved for acute adult pain relief and the treatment of
menstrual
> pain.
>
> People living with arthritis are challenged daily with simple tasks
such as
> opening a prescription bottle or tackling a blister pack containing
their
> medication. Vioxx is the only arthritis prescription medication with
a
> specially designed, user friendly cap feature, which makes it easier
for
> people with arthritis to open their prescription bottle.
>
> "I am delighted that this Canadian discovery is now available for
Canadians
> with arthritis'', said Dr. François Bertrand, Director, Clinical
Research at
> Merck Frosst Canada & Co. "The specially-designed bottle cap is a
meaningful
> gesture that will simplify a regular daily task for people with
arthritis.''

> Vioxx is priced at $1.25 per day, excluding professional dispensing
fees,
> for either the 12.5 mg or 25 mg dose, which is similar to the other
product
> in its class. The recommended therapeutic dose of Vioxx for OA is
12.5 mg
> once daily to a maximum of 25 mg once daily.
>
> http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/146fee.htm
TC - 27 Apr 2005 20:30 GMT
You have got to be kidding!

So you are saying that the Pharma strategy to charge US citizens
extraordinarily high mark-ups on prescription drugs is really a system
designed by the US regulatory agencies and Pharma to keep drugs out of
the poorer peoples hands in order to protect them from the harmful
effects of the toxic drugs? And the cheaper drugs in Canada are there
because the Canadian govt has sold out and they willingly allow the
drug manufacturers to poison the populace and they conspire to make
them cheap enough so that everyone can afford the presciption poisons?.

Are you on drugs?

TC

> So your point is what? That Pharma has co-opted the drug approval
> process in Canada too? Big surprise. Duh!
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> The thirty million people without insurance can not afford them as a result
> they must use cheaper older drugs with known safety track records.
Stacey Bender - 27 Apr 2005 20:38 GMT
> Are you on drugs?

Evil Canadian drugs i suspect....
Robert - 27 Apr 2005 22:22 GMT
> > Are you on drugs?
>
> Evil Canadian drugs i suspect...

I never said they were evil. It is those people posting about drug safety
with newer drugs, guying Canadian make cheaper drugs, and then claiming
innocence in trying to get millions of dollars in lawsuits. I found a finger
in my soup or I mean a finger in my capsule and died.
They want to have it both ways. They want to have cheap drugs for everyone
and then complain that safety studies are flawed.
The biggest flaw is that it has never been tried in mass markets with
millions of people taking the drug.
Canada got bit on the a.s with that one and they should be able to sue the
Canadian government but they can't.
Robert - 27 Apr 2005 22:11 GMT
> You have got to be kidding!
>
> So you are saying that the Pharma strategy to charge US citizens
> extraordinarily high mark-ups on prescription drugs is really a system
> designed by the US regulatory agencies and Pharma to keep drugs out of
> the poorer peoples hands in order to protect them from the harmful

No. The pharm drugs want as much money for each drug they can get away with.
In the US they charge way more and as a result fewer people are on them.
Some insurance companies do not pay for newer drugs when older ones are
available.
The US doesn't regulate price like in Canada.
If you don't have the money to pay then naturally the poor don't buy them.
The pharm companies don't care about the poor. It is a business and they
higher the price is fine for them. Not so in Canada.

> effects of the toxic drugs? And the cheaper drugs in Canada are there
> because the Canadian govt has sold out and they willingly allow the
> drug manufacturers to poison the populace and they conspire to make
> them cheap enough so that everyone can afford the presciption poisons?.

Not only do they allow a cheaper price to poison the canadian people they
allow americans to buy them as well. Canadians don't care about safety only
the money they can get from drug sales.
Money is the key. The lawsuits are about money. The sales are about money.
Where you buy the drug is about money. Who sales the drugs cheaper as in
mass buying that canada does is about money.

> Are you on drugs?

You are a candian so you will be the first to know if I need to buy any off
of you. If anything happens to me I will sue Canada and the pharm companies
for millions of dollars and then say it is about health and not money in
your government not protecting me.
Why don't you warn me now about any new canadian drugs under development
that your country wants to make money on?
I think they should charge a thousand dollars a pill but not in Canada.

> TC
>
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> result
> > they must use cheaper older drugs with known safety track records.
TC - 27 Apr 2005 22:23 GMT
> > You have got to be kidding!
> >
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>
> No. The pharm drugs want as much money for each drug they can get away with.

No sh.t sherlock.

> In the US they charge way more and as a result fewer people are on them.
> Some insurance companies do not pay for newer drugs when older ones are
> available.
> The US doesn't regulate price like in Canada.

They don't regulate price. They let the market do its thing.

> If you don't have the money to pay then naturally the poor don't buy them.

News flash!

> The pharm companies don't care about the poor. It is a business and they
> higher the price is fine for them. Not so in Canada.

They don't care about the sick either, or the healthy.

> > effects of the toxic drugs? And the cheaper drugs in Canada are there
> > because the Canadian govt has sold out and they willingly allow the
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> allow americans to buy them as well. Canadians don't care about safety only
> the money they can get from drug sales.

You are one strange bugger.

> Money is the key. The lawsuits are about money. The sales are about money.
> Where you buy the drug is about money. Who sales the drugs cheaper as in
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> that your country wants to make money on?
> I think they should charge a thousand dollars a pill but not in Canada.

I'll send you a quarter so you can buy a clue. Idiot.

TC
BronchoBilly - 30 Apr 2005 23:52 GMT
Actually, since there are no generics in Canada, the long term price of a
drug tends to even out in the US.

>> > You have got to be kidding!
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> TC
TC - 01 May 2005 18:30 GMT
No generics in Canada???

Since when?

If you are so stupid to assume and to believe that there are no
generics in Canada, why would you presume to actually enter a debate in
this ng?

You take stupid to a new level.

TC

> Actually, since there are no generics in Canada, the long term price of a
> drug tends to even out in the US.
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> >
> > TC
 
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