> > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html
>
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> - Great, yeah, that's been known for a while. No surprise. Who Dr.
> Price is though... whatever...
You're an idiot with nothing to say
> Even orthodox nutritionists now recognize that white flour is an empty
> food, supplying calories for energy but none of the bodybuilding
> materials that abound in the germ and the bran of whole grains.
>
> -Again, it was obvious stuff.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> We've take two important steps forward-but unfortunately another step
> backward in that now whole grain and bran products are being promoted
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>
> - Celiac, okay? Proof on the others?
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> One school of thought claims that both refined and whole grains should
> be avoided, arguing that they were absent from the Paleolithic diet and
> citing the obvious association of grains with celiac disease and
> studies linking grain consumption with heart disease.
>
> - Oh, a "school of thought". That's good proof.
You're more of an idiot with nothing to say
> But many healthy societies consume products made from grains. In fact,
> it can be argued that the cultivation of grains made civilization
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> - Translation: They strip them of the bran and germ to make gooey,
> shitty white flour. Yeah, we know.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> Grains require careful preparation because they contain a number of
> antinutrients that can cause serious health problems. Phytic acid, for
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>
> - Again, where's the proof?
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> This is why a diet high in improperly prepared whole grains may lead to
> serious mineral deficiencies and bone loss. The modern misguided
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> amounts are never good. But if you eat balanced and eat whole foods
> you're alright.
You're still a complete idiot with nothing to say
> Other antinutrients in whole grains include enzyme inhibitors which can
> inhibit digestion and put stress on the pancreas; irritating tannins;
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>
> - Scary stuff. But where are the studies/quote to back this up?
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> Most of these antinutrients are part of the seed's system of
> preservation-they prevent sprouting until the conditions are right.
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> - "For a period". What's that 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day? Not too
> definative there.
You're still a potshot idiot with nothing to say
> Animals that nourish themselves on primarily on grain and other plant
> matter have as many as four stomachs. Their intestines are longer, as
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> - "A diet high in grains"? How high? How 'bout when he eats a
> balanced diet?
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> When grains are properly prepared through soaking, sprouting or sour
> leavening, the friendly bacteria of the microscopic world do some of
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> since they've been a part of our diet since we started walking the
> planet.
Now everbody knows your still an idiot with nothing to say
> So the well-meaning advice of many nutritionists, to consume whole
> grains as our ancestors did and not refined flours and polished rice,
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> and white rice*. Well, no kidding. That hasn't been news for decades
> and decades.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> for while our ancestors ate whole grains, they did not consume them as
> presented in our modern cookbooks in the form of quick-rise breads,
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> - Translation: Grains can be hard. Liquids soften grains making them
> easier to eat. Kinda like cooking makes meat easier to eat.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> Bread can be the staff of life, but modern technology has turned our
> bread-even our whole grain bread-into a poison. Grains are laced
> with pesticides during the growing season and in storage;
>
> - Same can be said of vegtables, fruits, nuts and seeds. And even
> cattle and fish.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> they are milled at high temperatures so that their fatty acids turn
> rancid.
>
> - Huh? They do it to turn them rancid?
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> Rancidity increases when milled flours are stored for long periods of
> time, particularly in open bins. The bran and germ are often removed
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>
> - Yeah, yeah, yeah... we know... "enriched" flours are crap.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> Cruelty to grains in the making of breakfast cereals is intense.
> Slurries of grain are forced through tiny holes at high temperatures
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>
> - Again, they're talking about crappy "enriched" flour.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> The final indignity to grains is that we treat them as loners, largely
> ignorant of other dietary factors needed for the nutrients they
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> - Don't _need_ animals fats. "A" can also be provided by eatting
> brocolli or a sweet potato. "D" by sun exposure.
You're still an idiot with bullshit to say
> Porridge eaten with cream will do us a thousand times more good than
> cold breakfast cereal consumed with skim milk; sourdough whole grain
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> - 'Grind them into flour and make whole grain baked goods.' Hmm...
> good idea.
You're still an idiot with nothing to say
> For those who lack the time for breadmaking, kindly-made whole grain
> breads are now available. Look for organic, stone ground, sprouted or
> sour dough whole grain breads and enjoy them with butter or cheese.
>
> - That or anything else you want to enjoy whole grain breads with...
Totally nothing to say period.
> Patrick (nothing)
jt - 16 Mar 2005 13:30 GMT
>You're an idiot with nothing to say
>You're still an idiot with nothing to say
>>
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>>
>Totally nothing to say period.
Very informative thanks
BWHAHAHAHA!
TC - 16 Mar 2005 15:51 GMT
Well, that was a constructive response. In the absence of any good
counter argument you attack the poster.
Maybe that illustrates how little science there is to support human
consumption of grains.
TC
> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html
> >
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> >
> > Patrick (nothing)
NoOption5L@aol.com - 19 Mar 2005 03:49 GMT
> > > http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html
> > Here's the article:
> > The science of nutrition seems to take a step backwards for every two
> > steps it takes forward. When the study of vitamins was in its infancy,
> > researchers realized that white flour lacked the nutrients that nature
> > put into whole grains. <snip> Warnings against the use of white flour
> > went largely ignored.
> > Only in recent decades has Dr. Price been vindicated.
> > - Great, yeah, that's been known for a while. No surprise. Who Dr.
> > Price is though... whatever...
> You're an idiot with nothing to say.
You know... you spew out a lot of tough talk. Instead, why don't you
post some credentials. Do you have any schooling behind your mouth?
And with your vast nutritional knowledge, wouldn't it be safe to assume
you're probably in pretty decent shape? How about posting some
numbers? Height, weight, and waist size. Or some fitness strength or
speed numbers? Let's compare, shall we? You want me to go first, or
are you confident enough in your stats?
Patrick