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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2005Curious...When Would You Quit?
Hi, All: Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and cookies and whatnot. I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return on my investment as I get older, the investment being the hours at the gym, the intensity of the workouts, the attention to details when it comes to a healthy diet, etc. I could do twice the work I did ten years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah.... I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and fats and whatever else tastes good, and for going to the movies or something instead of hitting the gym...see, this "spartan" lifestyle is getting annoying as I consider that, from a "cost analysis" POV, I could get more enjoyment out of being lazy, for lack of a better term, than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with wasting away with age anyway.... And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still, you know what I'm asking.... Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt" yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point? Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what the hell I'm doing...I mean, I enjoy intense workouts, I hate boring drudgery kind of workouts, and yet now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85 I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's always celebrating something around here.... > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would be slim and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all looked great how would you stand out which is the whole point of looking great. I think that your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have slobs. And that is a good thing. > If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would be slim > and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all looked great how > would you stand out which is the whole point of looking great. I think that > your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have slobs. And that is > a good thing. You do raise an interesting point, that of vainity: but once you've done it, once you've achieved "it" in your own eyes, to your own satisfaction, what's left? My whole thing was about being a man, seeing if I could do it, etc. -- but now that it's been there done that (as far as what I'd wanted, anyway), what's left? I mean, as you get older and older, those muscles, etc., just won't be responding the same, and then you wonder what's the big deal anyway...it's not like having big muscles saves you from anything in life...it's just vainity -- the health, I think, is a close second for us, but not the prime, or at least original, motivation -- so...once you've proved your manhood or whatever to yourself, etc., what next? I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not at the same pace, though, right? Etc. >> If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would >> be slim and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not > at the same pace, though, right? Etc. You are a lost case. Welcome back to the gym when you've turned 50. If you can still make it out the door ;(  SignaturePerre I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead. >> If we all had the same attitudes and mind set, then everyone would >> be slim and muscular. What a world that would be! Because if we all [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not > at the same pace, though, right? Etc. For me the motivation doesn't come from the notion of progress - be it more lb in the lifts or bigger muscles. Indeed at some point you'd expect to become weaker as you age. I do take mental notice of the amount I can lift but it's not really important and my motivation has to come from just the today's workout. The key is to learn how to enjoy it and dissociate this goal from the notion of progress - be it the competition with yourself or with others in the same age group, gender or species. Some say they refuse to be an average individual but that again has roots in motivation exploiting humans' competitive nature, since it comes from the comparison with others presumably of the same age group. DZ > For me the motivation doesn't come from the notion of progress - be it > more lb in the lifts or bigger muscles. Indeed at some point you'd > expect to become weaker as you age. Yeah, ain't that so depressing!! I used to think, okay, now's the time to do it all...and now I'm like, hmm, what am I doing? I do enjoy it, so I won't be giving it up...but for some reason it does feel like a chore...you know, kinda like when you're not so hot on your g/f anymore but you don't want to leave her, and it's not like you don't love her anymore.... > I do take mental notice of the amount I can lift but it's not really > important and my motivation has to come from just the today's workout. > > The key is to learn how to enjoy it and dissociate this goal from the > notion of progress - be it the competition with yourself or with > others in the same age group, gender or species. Well, see, this is the thing: I do enjoy moving my muscles when exercising...it's like being in communion with myself, if I may get a bit New Age-y on you...but...hmm...but, like, there are so many things that I enjoy...oh, I dunno...I guess I'm just unhappy about being old or something...maybe I need some more vitamins or something.... > Some say they refuse to be an average individual but that again has > roots in motivation exploiting humans' competitive nature, since it > comes from the comparison with others presumably of the same age > group. > > DZ Now, see, that's what was so fun before...yeah, I guess it was that competitiveness, that physical aggression...now that I'm pulling muscles all over the place, I'm not so sure this is all that fun anymore! Yeah, I guess I just need to find another reason to be at the gym, that's all. I don't reall care about health or disease, and vainity's no fun anymore, so all that's left is just the enjoyment of feeling one's muscles. What I really like about working out is that it's so non-mental, in a way, in that analytical way...it's mental in that Zen-like "no mind" way, like the eye of the storm...I dunno...I think I think too much.... :: David wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: -- but now that it's been there done that (as far as what I'd wanted, :: anyway), what's left? Get fat. You'll still make me look better! No one will remember the old you, but they'll see the present me in comparison to the fat, sloppy, you. hehe. :: I mean, as you get older and older, those muscles, etc., just won't :: be responding the same, and then you wonder what's the big deal [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: so...once you've proved your manhood or whatever to yourself, etc., :: what next? I have an uncle who looks really good at 71 - strong and even a bit scary. He may not be what he once was or he may not be able to do what he once did, but he looks better and can do more than a lot of much younger people. :: I mean, do you anticipate working out for the rest of your life? Not :: at the same pace, though, right? Etc. > Get fat. You'll still make me look better! No one will remember the old > you, but they'll see the present me in comparison to the fat, sloppy, you. > hehe. Yeah, but I don't care that much about looks anymore...it feels silly to spend time working out if it's gonna take twice as much effort for half the gain I used to get (or whatever the exact ratio is). > I have an uncle who looks really good at 71 - strong and even a bit scary. > He may not be what he once was or he may not be able to do what he once did, > but he looks better and can do more than a lot of much younger people. Hell, my dad's 78 and physically stronger than many 70 yr.-olds...but what's the point? It's not like you're gonna score any chicks at that age (I mean, how many look like Sophia Loren or Elizabeth Taylor) or get into schoolyard fights.... I guess I just have to look for something within to go on now; those external reasons can't suffice anymore...I'm really sick of women (LOL -- long story) and not looking to fight anyone anymore, and I never cared about health 'cause I figure death would just be the end of my problems, plus I'm getting injured besides, inexplicably injured, so it's gotta be something else.... Damn, I'm born five hundred years too early! > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110387469.301528.300460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Hi, All: > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > your post reflects a popular view and that is why we have slobs. And that is > a good thing. Actually... slobs are not a good thing. Not good for themselves, most suffer badly then die young, the idiocy that goes with being a slob is generally not a contribution to the culture. Hedonism actually sucks Dave. It only appears like a good thing to idiots. Phil Scott >Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's >always celebrating something around here.... I know exactly how you feel, and I have actually given in to the sheer joy of hedonism on more than one occasion, for many of the reasons you mention above. However, unfortunately, the weight is unforgiving and will just keep piling on. If you have any pride, that just becomes unacceptable, and the reality is that you will have to exercise and control caloric intake for the rest of your life. Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging and don't want to look like a slack sack of sh.t tied in the middle. Sorry!! ;o) > >Hi, All: > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Sorry!! ;o) Wish I could have thought of that - 'a slack sack of sh.t tied in the middle' - that's great Charles! >> >Hi, All: >> > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >Wish I could have thought of that - 'a slack sack of sh.t tied in the >middle' - that's great Charles! It does have a rather novel earthiness, and was a quite common description of a fat person used by Royal Navy sailors!! ;o) > Wish I could have thought of that - 'a slack sack of sh.t tied in the > middle' - that's great Charles! Calling HUDSON, "Charles", is kinda weird. > >Hi, All: > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Sorry!! ;o) My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to make a pig of himself say for a 5 year period - that puts him up to 38 - say he increases his weight by only 1 lb per week - so at a guess that would make him around 425 lbs - a nice big strapping guy. Then if he is unhappy with his body he is still young enough to change things around. > My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to make a > pig of himself say for a 5 year period - that puts him up to 38 - say he > increases his weight by only 1 lb per week - so at a guess that would make > him around 425 lbs - a nice big strapping guy. Then if he is unhappy with > his body he is still young enough to change things around. Well, I'm above-average in terms of health and strength -- and lest you think I'm bragging here, I admit that I do realize how "average" is really the baseline, or ought to be, as far as health and fitness is concerned -- 'cause I could still do a bit more than Army standards. What I'm wondering is "why" now, what for...I'm not getting the same amount of joy out of it anymore -- now that I don't care as much how big my muscles are, now that I'm pulling muscles left and right, etc. -- so what is the point? One could still be "healthy" and not "work out"...is it just a matter of "pride," of vainity?? > > My plan for him would be . . . (as he is only 33 years old) - is to > make a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > One could still be "healthy" and not "work out"...is it just a matter > of "pride," of vainity?? My theory is that wanting to have a good looking body is not vanity at all - or pride - the vast majority of guys who work out is that they want to pull the chicks. To feel comfortable naked with a woman. They probably feel embarassed about having a gut or whatever. If that doesn't apply to you and big muscles aren't important - then maybe you just need to be conscious of your diet and not put on much weight - play some sport to keep a modicum of fitness :: David wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: big my muscles are, now that I'm pulling muscles left and right, etc. :: -- so what is the point? Go back to the drawing broad and relearn how to train properly. Or maybe just learn it for the first time. :: One could still be "healthy" and not "work out"...is it just a matter :: of "pride," of vainity?? You can certainly not be fat and not workout. You can probably even be healthy and not workout. I'm not sure that lifting ensures you'll stay healthy, anyway. In fact, eating a so-called proper diet is no guarantee that you'll stay healthy. You can do everything right and still get cancer. Life's a crapshoot. But you can plan for a successful & fulfilling life - and hope you get it. > I know exactly how you feel, and I have actually given in to the sheer > joy of hedonism on more than one occasion, for many of the reasons you > mention above. And you know something else: being hedonistic feels so freakin' young!! 'Cause it's so reckless it feels like you're reliving your youth or something, whereas with exercise you gotta be careful, etc., and if anything you seem to feel your age more! > However, unfortunately, the weight is unforgiving and will just keep > piling on. If you have any pride, that just becomes unacceptable, and > the reality is that you will have to exercise and control caloric > intake for the rest of your life. Well, that's just the thing, then: is mere vainity or "pride" worth so much bother?? And I'm naturally V-shaped; I'll always look good for my age -- especially considering that I look 5 yrs. younger than my age. I don't need exercise to look "good"...and I'm now wondering whether the sacrifice (and, again, due to my age now, the increased risk of pulling this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less and less so with age. I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to?? > Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, > where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging > and don't want to look like a slack sack of sh.t tied in the middle. > > Sorry!! ;o) I'm not worried about looks...and who am I trying to impress, anyway? But that's another topic. Believe me, if I looked half-way like a couch potato, I think I'd enjoy my munchies...as it is, I think it's a kind of guilt I have that makes me work out, guilt that I should keep things up while I can. > I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by > that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do > your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to?? Staying out of the nursing home, perhaps? Keeping their bodies and brains in good working order? Keeping themselves from breaking a hip getting out of bed? Sounds kinda important to me. LM >> I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by >> that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > LM You've it on the head, Larisa. For most of us it's not about being huge. It's about function. BTW, this guy is one of the most successful trolls I've seen in awhile. :: Charles wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] :: pulling this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less :: and less so with age. There is no need to rish pulling this or breaking that. You're just sloppy. Work on form and learn to do movements. Don't continue to failure. :: I mean, I see these old guys in the gym, and I used to be inspired by :: that...now I'm wondering, boy, what's the sense in showing up to do :: your little 15 lb. curls or whatever they're up to?? Not being completely fat. Having strong bones that won't break if a 5-yo girl bumps into you. ::: Of course that's only if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle, ::: where you remain active, independent, postpone the effects of aging [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :: that makes me work out, guilt that I should keep things up while I :: can. Tomorrow will come anyway. You can either be fat & weak or not be. Your choice. > And I'm naturally V-shaped; I'll always look good for my age -- > especially considering that I look 5 yrs. younger than my age. I don't > need exercise to look "good"...and I'm now wondering whether the > sacrifice (and, again, due to my age now, the increased risk of pulling > this or breaking that) is worth it to look "great," but less and less > so with age. Spoiled rotten f.cking crybaby. This is along the same lines as some kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth asking, 'god why should I bother working when my trust fund pays for everything anyway?'. This troll either needs to stop being fed so much, or needs a good swift kick in the a.s. Personally I admire those guys with the 'wimpy 15 lb curls' a sh.t load more than I do people who either juice or are born with 'gifted genes'. Just the fact that you mentioned curls rather than squats or deads speaks volumes to me. > Spoiled rotten f.cking crybaby. This is along the same lines as some > kid born with a silver spoon in his mouth asking, 'god why should I > bother working when my trust fund pays for everything anyway?'. This > troll either needs to stop being fed so much, or needs a good swift > kick in the a.s. Oh God, a Drill Private. > Personally I admire those guys with the 'wimpy 15 lb > curls' a sh.t load more than I do people who either juice or are born > with 'gifted genes'. I don't even do protein shakes. But I don't see the point of curling 15-lb. bells. I wonder: could people really be so naturally weak? Seems to me like they ain't working hard enough. > Just the fact that you mentioned curls rather than > squats or deads speaks volumes to me. I like curls. Squats and dead-lifts don't make me feel "it." I like benches, incline/decline...pretty conventional stuff. I just do them 'cause they're fun, 'cause I "feel myself" most with them. Oh what am I saying...I like the gym. > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... 33? Dude, are you even shaving yet? Take a break for a week or 2 and see if you feel better - if not, go see a doctor. > 33? Dude, are you even shaving yet? Take a break for a week or 2 and see if > you feel better - if not, go see a doctor. I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to just hang around for good now. Anyway, just wondering. I do still enjoy exercising, but now I'm actually having these thoughts, whereas before I never even questioned "why".... :: Jim Ranieri wrote: ::: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: always done without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat :: does seem to just hang around for good now. Cuts that don't heal, cramps and muscle pulls? Something is wrong with you, dude. Go see a doctor, ASAP. You might have SD....what part of the country do you live in? :: Anyway, just wondering. I do still enjoy exercising, but now I'm :: actually having these thoughts, whereas before I never even :: questioned "why".... > Cuts that don't heal, cramps and muscle pulls? Something is wrong with you, > dude. Go see a doctor, ASAP. You might have SD....what part of the country > do you live in? What's SD? I'm in NYC. >I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts >that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just >disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done >without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to >just hang around for good now. It's a tumour. -- Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is >I dunno, maybe I'm just superstitious now or something...I get cuts >that don't heal (big ol' ugly scars now, not like before when they just >disappear), I get cramps and pull muscles doing what I've always done >without even noticing I had muscles to use, and the fat does seem to >just hang around for good now. Sounds like late stage damages of being severly diabetic. > Sounds like late stage damages of being severly diabetic. Well, my last check-up, which was last fall, was great. I'm a real healthy specimen, and I look it. It's just that I'm not like how I used to be, and I suppose that's just age, and so that makes me wonder...if I'm supposed to break down anyway, with age I mean, well, what's the point in being so hard-core? That's it, damn! I'm having my goddamned ice cream tonight. This is ridiculous! This is normal to have some depression following an injury. It happens to us all. The important part is to realize it is only temporary. I have given it up much of it but some of the men have to stay trim. My wife needs a male image to masturbate to. See the post below with 100 tips. There is some sense and some real garbage in it though. > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... > This is normal to have some depression following an injury. It happens to us > all. The important part is to realize it is only temporary. Um, I sure hope so...every step with the left leg is almost painful...pulled a "little part" of the left hamstring last fall, and like two weeks ago I messed up my "butt joint," that thigh joint in the a.s...muscles there sore or something. Damn...time to take up tai chi! > I have given it up much of it but some of the men have to stay trim. My wife > needs a male image to masturbate to. ? > See the post below with 100 tips. There is some sense and some real garbage > in it though. You mean that other post, the 100 Things to Do? Yeah, I've read up to 34...some funny stuff, like recommending egg yolks (the cons outweigh the pros on that, right?).... > Snipped a bunch of whining kid stuff > I could do twice the > work I did ten years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! Unfortunately it works the other way around too. Unhealthy living does twice the damage it did when we were twenty ;( SignaturePerre I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead. > Hi, All: > > Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit > with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and > cookies and whatnot. When I'm dead. Hopefully that won't be for another 60 years or so. > I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what > gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the > hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah.... The investment being hours at the gym, as opposed to what? Hours in front of the TV? I know that how I feel after 1.5 hours in the weight room, or after a 5-6 mile run is worth the investment. Sitting in front of the TV for half an hour makes me feel like a depressed, bloated sack of sh.t. > I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean > significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with > wasting away with age anyway.... The problem with the "much more generous intake of...whatever else tastes good" and "....something instead of hitting the gym" is, it gets easier and easier to do, and harder and harder to hit the gym. Before you know it, you find yourself asking what the point is of hitting the gym at all. > And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old > fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still, > you know what I'm asking.... Every time my wife and I visit her grandmother, who at 82, literally needs help to get to the bathroom, and can't do anything more strenuous than sit in front of the TV, it answers the question of "what's the point?" No, at 82 I'm not going to be in the same shape that I'm in now, but I'm sure that my quality of life is going to be much better than her's is now. I'm willing to forego the cheeseburgers, chips, and a couple of nights at the movies now so I can enjoy my later years with some dignity. > Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt" > yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little > moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I > mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point? In almost 25 years of working out regularly, I've had to face "moments of doubt" many times. There are still days when I wonder why I do this. Especially days when I'm supposed to go run and it's about 20 degrees, freezing rain, and dark. Most of the time, the dread disappears after the first mile (or the first set of squats). Sometimes, I take a day off. Most of the time though, I find it's become easier to work out than not. And usually if I take more than 2 days in a row off, I'm depressed, edgy, and no fun to be around. > Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping > it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... I'm 44, and I've had quite a few injuries. When at 36, I was diagnosed with Plantar Fasciaitis after going to the doctor with chronic aching feet, I was told I should stop running. When at 39, I tore my lateral miniscus after falling on a slippery sidewalk, I was told I probably wouldn't be able to run anymore. At 40, when I went to the doctor with chronic pain in my wrists from repetitive strain injury (I work in the IT field)I was told to stop lifting weights. I ignored their "advice" and made adjustments to my training, with some self-treatment added and though far from pain-free, feel a lot better than I would have if I had taken their "advice." In my job, I sit in front of a computer for 8-10 hours a day. Somebody is always bringing in donuts or something, and there are frequent "celebrations" for birthdays and other occasions that include cake and ice cream. The cake looks good, especially around 3:00 when your blood sugar is dropping and you could use something sweet - until I see one of my many corpulent co-workers waddling out of the breakroom with an enormous plate of cake and ice cream. That alone is enough for me to pass on the cake. In the end, I guess it comes down to what your priorities are. Slotman > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the TV for half an hour makes me feel like a depressed, bloated sack > of sh.t. I don't watch TV, so that's not what I'd meant. I do feel good after having worked out...it's the actual working out that's starting to lose its appeal, finally. I'm no longer very much concerned about my image and my looks, no longer care about my "manhood" and so forth, so I'm just like...what's the point? I don't mean just keel over and have a heart attack now; I mean that I can stay healthy without the gym -- I bicycle, am physically active. The gym was always about looking big and seeing if I could make the cut. I was just wondering if anyone else had some other reason for hitting the gym. > The problem with the "much more generous intake of...whatever else > tastes good" and "....something instead of hitting the gym" is, it gets > easier and easier to do, and harder and harder to hit the gym. Before > you know it, you find yourself asking what the point is of hitting the > gym at all. Hmm, well, I've never had that problem, but then again I never got hurt before either, so I suppose there really is a first time for everything. But so far, if I don't exercise (I mean hitting the gym, as opposed to "just" playing ball or bicycling and such) for more than two weeks, my body start screaming for it, I can't stop shaking my knee, etc. > Every time my wife and I visit her grandmother, who at 82, literally > needs help to get to the bathroom, and can't do anything more strenuous > than sit in front of the TV, it answers the question of "what's the > point?" I used to think this way, too, but then I realized that there are many old folks who are in good general health (no meds, can walk on own power, etc.) who do not work out, etc. (save for walking around). > No, at 82 I'm not going to be in the same shape that I'm in > now, but I'm sure that my quality of life is going to be much better > than her's is now. I'm willing to forego the cheeseburgers, chips, and > a couple of nights at the movies now so I can enjoy my later years with > some dignity. But see, that's just the thing: is her condition due to cheeseburgers, etc.? 'Cause so many old fogies also enjoy their cheeseburgers, coffee -- even cigars -- and they weren't on some Jack LaLane or Charles Atlas program as kids (I know 'cause I used to work at a White Castle with a regular clientele in the mornings). > In almost 25 years of working out regularly, I've had to face "moments > of doubt" many times. There are still days when I wonder why I do this. > Especially days when I'm supposed to go run and it's about 20 degrees, > freezing rain, and dark. Right, well, those are probably just "glimpses" as opposed to the full-blown version of existential angst. > Most of the time, the dread disappears after > the first mile (or the first set of squats). Ah, see, this is it: it's starting to take more and more time for this "dread" or sense of "ugh" to wear off. > Sometimes, I take a day > off. Most of the time though, I find it's become easier to work out > than not. And usually if I take more than 2 days in a row off, I'm > depressed, edgy, and no fun to be around. Yes, that's been true for me, too...but now that I seem to be getting injured much more easily (I practically never had any injuries before), well, that's depressing too...so if I sound depressed, well, it's really my hamstrings and tennis elbow talking.... > I'm 44, and I've had quite a few injuries. When at 36, I was diagnosed > with Plantar Fasciaitis after going to the doctor with chronic aching [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > though far from pain-free, feel a lot better than I would have if I had > taken their "advice." Wow -- my hat's off to you, for sure. Hmm...apparently your injuries started in your late thirties...sh.t, is this what I'm looking forward to now...damn. > In my job, I sit in front of a computer for 8-10 hours a day. Yeah, me too. If I'm an internet troll, it's 'cause I'm pissed off having to sit here losing my sight! Hopefully I'll get that other position, a manual labor position, but paying much more! Damned 21st Century post-industrial economy.... > Somebody > is always bringing in donuts or something, and there are frequent [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enormous plate of cake and ice cream. That alone is enough for me to > pass on the cake. Geez, how could you think about heart disease at a time like this...that soft, fluffy cake.... > In the end, I guess it comes down to what your priorities are. > > Slotman Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems like all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc. > Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems like > all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc. Vanity doesn't enter into it for me (okay, maybe it does - I'd much rather look in the mirror and see what I see now than look in the mirror and say "Now there's a reliable disappointment"). There are many *positive* motivations for me. Not gasping for breath when I walk up three flights of stairs to get to my office is one. Getting up in the morning and not feeling like I'm 100 years old is another. Not sitting around and whining about all my aches and pains like a lot of my co-workers around my age (and some younger!), knowing if my car broke down 20 miles from home and I had not other way to get home than walking, I could do it. Those are some positives. How I feel after a 6 mile run on a bright, sunny Sunday morning, feeling fit, strong, and alive walking out of the gym, those are some more. Don't misunderstand me: I still eat cheeseburgers (once in a while), eat ice cream, and drink beer. It's just that going out for dinner or drinking an ice-cold beer just doesn't taste as good if I haven't worked out. ["Followup-To:" header set to misc.fitness.weights.] Dnia 2005-03-09 NYC XYZ napisał(a): >> In the end, I guess it comes down to what your priorities are. >> >> Slotman > > Well, are there any *positive* motivations besides vainity? Seems like > all the good reasons are "negative" -- disease, etc. Yes. After workout you feel much better than before workout. It's damn good reason to lift weights, at least to me. SignatureAndrzej Rosa 1127R I'm on a medication strike until the FDA stops openly sucking the cock of the pharma industry. I mean, at least they ought to do it behind closed doors. > Hi, All: > > Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit > with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and > cookies and whatnot. I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel like it, when I'm tired or whatever, my mood always perks up when I get to the gym. Or, as in the present case, when I pick up my dumbbells. Really, that's the reason I exercise. Yeah, it's nice to reduce my heart attack risk, yeah it's nice to improve my bone density, blah blah blah - but really, I exercise because I like it. It's not a penance, it's an indulgence. Is there nothing you like about exercise? Maybe you need a break? Maybe change the way you exercise? Maybe exercise less? LM >> Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it >> existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Is there nothing you like about exercise? Maybe you need a break? > Maybe change the way you exercise? Maybe exercise less? Or maybe exercise more (I agree with the rest of your post). I started to enjoy the feeling I get from the exercise routine after achieving a certain level of fitness. I think what's needed is mostly muscular endurance - one needs to be able to sustain high workload without getting too tired. On the days I feel lazy it might take 20-40 min of exercising to get to the point when it's really enjoyable. To the OP: try whole body routines alternating sets of different exercises gradually increasing weight throughout most of the training session and then finish with lower weights and/or cardio. Don't go to failure in your sets, have enough rest between sets, but not too much to ensure sufficient load. When you can do 30 min of alternating pullups/dips with only seconds of rest in between you'll see that cookies don't stand the chance or at least don't appear as a more appealing alternative. Ditch isolation exercises - they'd only stay in the way. DZ >I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I >actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel >like it, when I'm tired or whatever, my mood always perks up when I get >to the gym. Or, as in the present case, when I pick up my dumbbells. No, I enjoy it a lot and look forward to every workout. -- Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is > I wonder - am I the only one who actually enjoys working out? I > actually like lifting weights. Even when I think I really don't feel [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > LM I generally like it well enough...I mean, I do really enjoy just the feeling of my muscles moving...if I'm not being crazy here, it's kinda like sex -- seriously! Or maybe dancing is the more appropriate term...so I do like it. I have to confess...I'm really a nerd trapped in an athlete's body...imagine an athlete dad who has a nerd son...so it's almost like I'm working out 'cause part of me feels like I'm obligated to make the most of what I have -- and keep it up, so to speak -- when really I'm just some Gen X slacker (I mean I anticipated the '90s back in the '80s!)...and now I'm getting hurt, cuts aren't healing properly anymore, muscles are pulling the wrong way, etc. I don't even know what it is...I'm not unhappy when I *do* exercise...just get the feeling that I should be doing something else, I guess...I've been exercising all these years, see...I dunno, maybe I'm tired of the routine of it all...or maybe, I guess, I'm seeing how it's not just a fun activity anymore but an actual lifestyle, now that I'm older and more susceptible to x, y, and z.... Anyway, I was supposed to work out tonight but I forgot my shorts...LOL...now I can go get a pair, sure, but.... You know what it is? Working out has always been a social event for me. Yeah, back in the college gym or the post gym, it was like a weight lifting club...now it's, I dunno, just so alienating I guess...yawn.... > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... It's your life. Do what you want with it. But maybe it's time you took a break, you sound burned out > Hi, All: > > Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit > with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and > cookies and whatnot. I exercise, diet, etc so that I *can* enjoy those things. -Adam > Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with > wasting away with age anyway.... Maybe you should consider changing your training style. If you've been living a spartan lifestyle and spending hours in the gym, to the point where you don't have time to do other things, you could try the hardgainer style training, using full body workouts maybe twice a week. That would allow for an outside life, and might give you the recovery time you need. More isn't necessarily better. As for your eating habits, it's up to you and your goals, but why not splurge occasionally? It's not a question of all or nothing. I think you can enjoy all sorts of foods -- in moderation, on occasion. If what you want to do is pig out on burgers, cookies, and everything else, get comfortable with being fat. > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... Would you like some cheese to go along with your whine??? Sheesh, you're only 33 years old and you're whining because you have an owwie and you want to eat cake!? Get a grip, or find a different sport. FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the Continental Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been both fit and unfit at different points in my life, I can assure you that staying fit beats the hell out of the alternative, no matter how much work it takes. So, stop your bitching, and use it or lose it...getting older isn't for sissies. GG > FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling > - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the > Continental Divide, and sleeping in a tent each night. Having been I'm 54 and I'm really jealous of that. The most I'll get to do this summer is a puny 760 km of cycling in six days on rolling hills. No climbs longer than ten minutes. Sheeeesh. SignaturePerre I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead. > > FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling > > - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is a puny 760 km of cycling in six days on rolling hills. No climbs longer > than ten minutes. Sheeeesh. Well, 760 km in 6 days, is a pretty good ride too...but, I do really like the challenge of big climbs in big mountains. This summer's ride is the Bicycle Tour of Colorado ( http://www.bicycletourcolorado.com/ ), and this will be the 4th time I've ridden it (the route is different each year). It's a beautiful, challenging, and inexpensive tour, and if you ever want to experience the beauty of the Colorado Rocky Mountains, or the thrill of passing cars at 55 mph going down a twisting mountain road, it's not to be missed. I've posted photo galleries of my previous Colorado rides on my website: http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2003/BTC0017.htm http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2002/BTC2002_1.htm http://www.shastasoftware.com/CycliStats/biketours/BTC2001/BTC2001_1.htm GG >>> FWIW, I'm 52 and I'll be in Colorado in June for a week of bicycling >>> - 435 miles, with 27,000 feet of climbing, two crossings of the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > GG Wonderful pics Gary, thanks. I'd love to try that ride out one day ;) SignaturePerre I gave up on SPAM and redirected it to hotmail instead. Real good news: it's all about oxidative stress. Only when cholesterol is oxidized is it a problem (even an AHA spokesman made that point recently, in a Newsday newspaper article, for example). You can eat all kinds of things, if you cook it properly (boiling is often best) and stay away from unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts, such as in coconut oil), which are the primary cause of oxidative stress in most people (lipid peroxidation). > Real good news: it's all about oxidative stress. Only when > cholesterol is oxidized is it a problem (even an AHA spokesman made [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trace amounts, such as in coconut oil), which are the primary cause > of oxidative stress in most people (lipid peroxidation). If I recall correctly, you're also a person who 1) doesn't believe there are essential fatty acids (in the sense humans can live without consuming EPAs) 2) doesn't believe HIV has anything to do with AIDS Right? > Real good news: it's all about oxidative stress. No, that's part of it, not all of it. > Only when cholesterol > is oxidized is it a problem (even an AHA spokesman made that point > recently, in a Newsday newspaper article, for example). You can eat > all kinds of things, if you cook it properly (boiling is often best) > and stay away from unsaturated fatty acids That would be poor advice. > (except in trace amounts, > such as in coconut oil), Which contains no EFAs and mostly MCTs. > which are the primary cause of oxidative > stress in most people (lipid peroxidation). It's actually far more complicated then that. Hint: some data finds oxidative stress actually goes down with N3 lipids. SignatureWill Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/ > Hi, All: > > Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit > with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and > cookies and whatnot. I often felt the same way when I stopped smoking. Thing is, I could never get past the mantra I used:- "I'd rather be 45 and wishing I could smoke, than 65 and wishing I hadn't". My betting is, even if you fell back to "bad ways", when the inevitable heart attack struck, you'd regret it. That's no way to check out IMHO. -- Chris > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... http://www.concept2.co.uk/birc/results_detail_2004.php?event=B14 That guy's damn near three times your age, and that time is not all that slow - I'd guess a fairly significant fraction of 20-year-olds couldn't beat it. Stop moaning. Peter when i die. eat a piece of cake, just don't eat the cake, work out when you have time.. with your perspective on it of a cost analysis, you don't need to be bleeding edge to look and feel good. to give you an example, i work out monday and wednesday nights, sometimes saturday afternoons and walk everywhere unless in a rush. i eat tasty things all the time and have 8% bodyfat. > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... > Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping > it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... I think you're just facing the fact that 33 is different than 23- you've run into some physical problem that probably wouldn't have been an issue in your early 20's. The immortality/invulnerability is gone. You can still train sensibly with good form and maintain decent health without going to extremes. If you are overtrained or have some chronic injury laying off that muscle group for a while might be in order. > > Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping > > it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think you're just facing the fact that 33 is different than 23 Hate when that happens! Problem with being 23 is everything works great but your brain...you can't win! SignatureWill Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/ >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit >with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and >cookies and whatnot. I had to cut way back on the workouts because of injuries. Since then I have kept the same weight but it started meeting in the middle. Over the past 7 weks give or take I have started watching what I eat much more carefully and I have dropped, as of this morning, 11 pounds. I wasn't big to start with but I really didn't like the shape I was taking on. Since taking a greater interest in my general health I have actually stopped craving those crap foods. My advice is to keep doing what you can and eat clean as much as possible. Just learn to enjoy the healthier options. Some of them are very good. -- Bob Mann Scientists have discovered a food that diminishes a woman's sex drive by 90%. We commonly know this food as "Wedding Cake". >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit >with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and >cookies and whatnot. I'm 42 and have had good results from my regular weigh training (started ~18 mths ago). I feel stronger and healthier than ever before, positively vibrating with energy. It's good. I always enjoy eating good food though. Cooking is one of my hobbies and I never starve myself, even during cutting periods. Burgers and cookies I don't care about so much. >..... now that I'm all of 33 going onto 85 >I can't just hop on the track and run or stack up the rack and >heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's >always celebrating something around here.... You're 33 and complaining already? You have no hope. Give it up. You're not meant to be fit. Just give up and start your transformation to lardass. -- Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit >with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and >cookies and whatnot. I quit about the age of 27. I was a fat guy until the age of 39. And damned good at it. Then I lost my girl, and realized that I'd never get laid again. So I fixed what's broke, dropped 77.5 lbs, and have regained my chance at living into my 80s, as well as the ability to catch women looking at me. So if you want to die young and alone, go ahead. Burger King beckons. --Blair "Mmm. Overweaning profit motive." I lost 160 pounds of dangerous ugly fat by getting a divorce. > >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it > >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > --Blair > "Mmm. Overweaning profit motive." ["Followup-To:" header set to misc.fitness.weights.] Dnia 2005-03-09 NYC XYZ napisał(a): > Anyway, just wondering if anyone's had to face this "moment of doubt" > yet and how you've resolved it to yourself...I don't mean the little > moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I > mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point? You seem to be slightly depressed. Do not ditch weights or, chances are, it will go worse. I speak from experience, I'm maniacally-depressive. Weights help with moody feelings. More than anything else I ever tried. Do not throw it away, even if what you experience right now is not serious. So called healthy diet is (IMHO) totally different matter. I tend to trust my body with that quite much and simply eat what tastes good. So, to summarise, my point is that regular exercises help you find a point. In just about anything. I have much to much of experience in feeling pointless, so I know what my point is ;). That's my point ;). P.S. - Take it easy for a while, but do not stop going to a gym regularly. SignatureAndrzej Rosa 1127R I'm on a medication strike until the FDA stops openly sucking the cock of the pharma industry. I mean, at least they ought to do it behind closed doors. >Hi, All: > >Just wondering what some folks here think would be the point -- if it >existed for them at all -- when it would make more "sense" to just quit >with the workouts, diets, etc., and just enjoy those burgers and >cookies and whatnot. Be a powerlifter and enjoy the best of both worlds:-) >I know, I know...no one enjoys a heart attack, etc. But, you see, what >gets me so much is knowing that I'm getting less and less of a return [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the >hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah.... Powerlifters really enjoy their food. >I don't mean totally abandoning exercise and careful eating, but I mean >significantly allowing for a much more generous intake of sweets and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >than I do from being careful and working out and all that but with >wasting away with age anyway.... Sounds like the powerlifting lifestyle is the one for you. High intensity, low volume and a lot of food and beer. >And yes I've read reports that continued healthy living makes an old >fella's heart behave like a sedentary young guy's, etc. -- but still, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >moments of doubt that come with not being in the mood for something; I >mean a really big one, when you're just like, what's the point? I've gone the other way. I've decided to actually cut some fat so I've been <gasp> dieting </gasp>. But, tonight is going to be a refeed as I got my deadlift workout in last night. I already had Tinnucci's fish and am enjoying a Guinness. Cheers! >Like me, I've pulled a muscle and almost have to limp now; I'm hoping >it'll go away...and like an injury/set-back, it makes me wonder what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's >always celebrating something around here.... I tore my biceps last Saturday and tore it a little more last night doing lat pulldowns. I'll probably move my Saturday workout to Sunday because of that. >>Hi, All: >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >doing lat pulldowns. I'll probably move my Saturday workout to Sunday >because of that. Sure, why not. Whatever doesn't rip your muscle right off the bone only makes you stronger. ----------- Proton Soup "And all this peace has been deceiving, I need some wind to get me sailing" MS? >> Sure, why not. Whatever doesn't rip your muscle right off the bone > only makes you stronger. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "And all this peace has been deceiving, > I need some wind to get me sailing" >>>Hi, All: >>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >Sure, why not. Whatever doesn't rip your muscle right off the bone >only makes you stronger. I got through my close grips with no problems! That's all I did though. No sense in flinging weights over my head at this point. Top posted for yer convienience what you are leaving out of your rationalization is the truly painful, debilitating, miserable effects on ones body from eating crappy food, even in modest amounts. You have simply taken your current healthy condition for granted... fully excusable. but it leads to letting go of good things. Re getting half the results you got earlier for the same work...it sounds to me like you are working too hard and are into the counter productive band... also that you are not digesting you food well so its not going into making muscle... a persons natural digestive enzyme production starts going south fast after age 50...it can drop 90% by age 60... so you work hard and no muscle. and there can be digestive problems. Try some various enzymes... try various kinds, follow directions very carefully on the animal derived ones. I started with 3 a day one with each meal..then they became toxic at that level..I stayed at one a day for a while with meal... now its one a week. On the junk food issue...those are addictive...once you start again it can be real nasty getting off of them. My suggestion for you is to lighten up on the work outs... so they are fun not a chore.. eat more protien, take digestive enzymes carefully monitoring effects...keep sweets and dairy and breads to trace levels.... for sweets buy sugar free Jelly Belly beans. For fats I am having good luck with eggs over easy in a pan with olive oil and sausage drained of grease from the microwave...ymmv. The olive oil is very good for you...the small amount of animal fat I get from the drained sausage is not enough to hurt much apparently..less than in a single donut. If you have ever been in bad shape and ill from junk food and overweight you know that the total misery from that far exceeds the slight sacrifice of bypassing nutrient deficient foods etc. Phil Scott > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... >Top posted for yer convienience Ignored for my pleasure. -- Helgi Briem hbriem AT simnet DOT is You "quit" when you adopt a life-style you do derive pleasure from. Sooner or later you stop. Exercise and a healthy diet can be extremely pleasurable if done right. > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's > always celebrating something around here.... I'm 48 and have worked out all my life with the exception of about four years...1997 - 2001. Those four years were miserable for me and I got so fat and out of shape it ain't funny. I ended up 260 lbs. I'm now back down where I was...188 lbs. You do the math. Never again. Signature-Larry > Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > years ago and yet get only half the result, it seems! So what the > hell...why not enjoy the food, blah blah blah.... If you are not enjoying your workouts, you need to do something else. Signaturejmk in NC Come on, dude. You're 33. Your lifestyle of fitness is just getting started. My father is 65 and can bench press and endure longer during a mountain climb than I can. I'm 32, in excellent shape, and can physically outperform probably 97% of American guys under 25. It's too early to quit. Take a break for awhile, but you'll find that it's always better to be fit. >Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's >always celebrating something around here.... > Come on, dude. You're 33. Your lifestyle of fitness is just getting > started. Actually, I've always been a physically active. Never stopped jumping around and running here and there, whether for ball or biking or hiking or racing or whatever...but I've only been hitting the gym since about age 21. And now that I've gotten so seriously hurt -- just can't RUN, man -- I'm half-way between pissed off and depressed. > My father is 65 and can bench press and endure longer during a > mountain climb than I can. I'm 32, in excellent shape, and can > physically outperform probably 97% of American guys under 25. I find all that incredible. Well, then again, I guess it depends on the particular task. Just spent Friday paddling against a 2-3 knot current for half an hour, non-stop. See, stuff like that feels a lot more meaningful than lifting something repetitively at a crowded, dumb-music-blasting gym with no babes around. > It's too early to quit. Take a break for awhile, but you'll find that > it's always better to be fit. You're right. Thanks for the encouragement. As it is, I'm actually getting back into my old schedule of hitting the gym six times a week...I've been at four to five days per week now...I guess I just needed "outside" physical activity to put all that gym drudgery into a kind of perspective...am at a new gym with a different social network, see...and before, it used to be a matter of feeling my youth...now it's more like feeling what I've got left -- which is still considerable, but hell, we're in "half-empty" territory now.... Damn, I just can't get over this injury...my a.s! How I love to run, too!! So I'm just scared now of popping an elbow or shoulder or worse...! Am still benching 225 lbs. partly 'cause of the fear factor in pushing myself now, especially without a reliable spotter. Your problem isn't the gym. It's a more fundamental immaturity. You're a whiner looking to share and spread misery. If, at your age, you still believe that you should only do something good because it has a guaranteed return, you are lost. Please go buy a box of lard, eat it, and stop trying to share your pain until you can get a more productive attitude. >Hi, All: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >heave...goddamn it, that chocolate cake sure looks good...somebody's >always celebrating something around here.... > Your problem isn't the gym. It's a more fundamental immaturity. > You're a whiner looking to share and spread misery. If, at your age, > you still believe that you should only do something good because it > has a guaranteed return, you are lost. It's a mental block...like writer's block...as a matter of fact, I'm gonna go kayaking again today! No sun out...should be nice. Stuff like that should put the gym into "perspective"...though you're right, it's an end in itself. Somehow I've lost that feeling...I dunno how...now it's like it should "pay" for itself somehow...maybe I'm just not having enough time in the day to do everything I want, I guess (next year, parachuting...year after that, piloting an ultra-light!). > Please go buy a box of lard, eat it, and stop trying to share your > pain until you can get a more productive attitude. Damn, had myself some Dunkin' Donuts yesterday...wow! I can't wait 'til I'm 65 so that I can enjoy all this crap without guilt!! In the meantime, it's real hard kayaking against the current...now *that* was a work-out all right. Look, I was way too harsh in my last posts. I apologize for that. Let me pass on what I've learned though. Athletics and fitness are not really about competition or results. Your biggest threat in the endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When you're focused, you're on the path, you're working hard, and you are probably at your best. It's the path itself, not the destination. Stay focused like a laser because a laser can burn through anything. Good luck. >> Your problem isn't the gym. It's a more fundamental immaturity. >> You're a whiner looking to share and spread misery. If, at your age, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >In the meantime, it's real hard kayaking against the current...now >*that* was a work-out all right. > Look, I was way too harsh in my last posts. I apologize for that. We have thick skin in MFW. Those other two newsgroups are just a bunch of pussies. > Let me pass on what I've learned though. Athletics and fitness are > not really about competition or results. Athletics isn't about competition or results, huh? Not too many Olympic athletes from your neighborhood. > Your biggest threat in the > endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's the path itself, not the destination. Stay focused like a laser > because a laser can burn through anything. A neutron star? Can a laser burn through a neutron star? Your analogies are as weak as your competitive spirit. Go eat some tofu. Your estrogen level is getting low. David Don't get me wrong. I would take great pleasure in beating your a.s. :) And as long as I'm focused, you don't stand a chance. >> Look, I was way too harsh in my last posts. I apologize for that. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >David > Don't get me wrong. I would take great pleasure in beating your a.s. > :) And as long as I'm focused, you don't stand a chance. Let's just say that anyone with such a raging hormone imbalance will stop be getting anywhere near my a.s. But I appreciate the offer. David >>> Look, I was way too harsh in my last posts. I apologize for that. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>David >> Your biggest threat in the >> endeavour is your own lack of focus -- nobody and nothing else. When [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Go eat some tofu. Your estrogen level is getting low. Oh, I'm so sorry. My weak-minded analogies don't hold up under your scrutiny and your background in cosmology. Next time you think it might be a worthwhile to approach a neutron star, please BE SURE TO DO SO. Nah, you won't need sunblock. Go right ahead. |
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