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Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the stomach is full. Based on that, would it help to have something to eat 10 minutes prior to each meal to get the process underway? Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier? Thanks -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier? What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of permanently changing the quantity of food that makes you satisfied? If it is the former, then drinking copious amounts of water or eating large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating slowly, chewing gum, etc. If it is the latter, then, if you have a certain type of a body, low carbing may work. Exercising may allow you to eat more and to be more satisfied with the quantity of food.  Signature223/173.0/180 >> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of >permanently changing the quantity of food that makes you satisfied? I mean a permanent (or at least long term) change in my eating habits. >If it is the former, then drinking copious amounts of water or eating >large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating >slowly, chewing gum, etc. > >If it is the latter, then, if you have a certain type of a body, low >carbing may work. I tried Atkins, but my cholesterol, which was already too high, went through the roof. I'm not sure what my body type is. Until I was about 35-40, I could not gain weight and I ate like a horse. I think some very bad habits were formed. I'm 6'3" and until then weighed about 180-190. I have been gaining about 1-2 pounds/year ever since. I got up as high as almost 240, but am now around 225-230. >Exercising may allow you to eat more and to be more satisfied with the >quantity of food. That works to some extent. -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) >>> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I tried Atkins, but my cholesterol, which was already too high, went > through the roof. That's interesting. > I'm not sure what my body type is. Until I was about 35-40, I could > not gain weight and I ate like a horse. I think some very bad habits [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That works to some extent. I think that you are not in a bad situation and if you drop about 15 lbs, you will be in a, more or less, great position with respect to weight. I am not sure how much you are doing now, but some changes in eating habits, like dropping deserts, and some extra exercise could do it. Signature223/173.0/180 > I tried Atkins, but my cholesterol, which was already too high, went > through the roof. What you may want to consider is a revised low carb approach to eating. 1. Eat lean meats. Grilled chicken, lean pork, lean beefs, lean fishes. Grill, broil or bake, no fried. 2. Eat lots of vegetables. Dark green leafy veggies (spinach, greens, etc) as well as salads, etc. I also do alot of stir fry (not in oil, or in just a bit of olive oil and seasoning) of snap peas, asparagus, etc. I go for alot of variety in veggies. Sliced up grilled veggies are also good - peppers, onions, zuccina, squash, etc. And in the past year or so I've really gotten into gourds (spagetti squash, butternut squash, acorn squash, etc). 3. Eat high fiber carbs. Go for multi grains. Limit these to just a simple serving per day. For instance, if I eat an egg on toast for breakfast, I will not have a sandwhich w/ bread for lunch or dinner. 4. Potatoes, sweetpotatoes, etc. They are still good low fat foods, high in starch, but when you consume them, watch the portion sizes - and keep them small, as well as watch the toppings and keep them minimal. Low carb and low fat can be combined. Its not Atkins, but it does work. The lack of the sugary carbs in your body helps in limited your cravings for those carb dense foods. > What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less > hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > large quantity of vegetables may work for some time. Or, eating > slowly, chewing gum, etc. Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. SignatureDiva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman > Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. This is not true. One of the saturation mechanisms is dependent of the time you chew/ the time the jaw muscles have to work. Try chewing every bit of food at least 20 times before you swallow. I bet you won't feel as hungry as if you didn't. Drinking a lot of water also helps when hungry. Don't drink softdrinks with lots of sugar. > > Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Drinking a lot of water also helps when hungry. > Don't drink softdrinks with lots of sugar. ITSS It's the saliva stupid :-) 1) >Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. >> This is not true. One of the saturation mechanisms is dependent of the >> time >> you chew/ the time the jaw muscles have to work. >> >> Try chewing every bit of food at least 20 times before you swallow. >> I bet you won't feel as hungry as if you didn't. 2) >It's the saliva stupid :-) decide. > 1) >Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > decide. Frame comprehensible sentences please. >> 1) >Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Frame comprehensible sentences please. Ok, slowly.... if "chewing gum stimulates appetite" is true.. and if saliva is the cause for feeling less hungry when chewing a lot is also true.. how does this fit together as one coherent opinion when chewing gum does stimulate saliva excretion? (on which I hope you will not disagree). > how does this fit together as one coherent opinion when chewing gum does > stimulate saliva excretion? > (on which I hope you will not disagree). It will stimulate it at first then it will decrease because of sensory-specific satiety. >> What do you mean by "work"? Work, in the sense of making you less >> hungry for 1-2 meals or a couple of weeks? Or work in the sense of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Chewing gum stimulates the appetite. Not if it's nicotine gum (which may also be preventative of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease). George Not be too controversial, but some report some of the hoodia products now available may be helpful (possibly even via the placebo effect?, but, whatever works....) > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? Hyper nutrition works...thats lots of raw vegitable juice, live foods, salads and fruits and some good protien like fish.. then no adictive processed foods, or empty foods like frozen or canned...that will eliminate cravings after a while... you body has to dump the crap.. use a sauna and excercise in a week or so you will be OK unless you head for the processed food again.. its like alcohol to an alcoholic. its engineered to be addictive...did you know that? Its true. and take your vitamins...and break the eating habit...eat only at the table, three times a day on shedule...thats it. Dont skip meals either, that builds cravings..and eat until satisfied...,just eat as above..and skip the dairy, sugar and breads. Phil Scott > I keep reading that eating too fast results in overeating because it > takes something like 20 minutes for the brain to realize that the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) >> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >food again.. its like alcohol to an alcoholic. its engineered >to be addictive...did you know that? Its true. Where is this documented? >and take your vitamins...and break the eating habit...eat only >at the table, three times a day on shedule...thats it. Dont [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com >> (11/09/04) -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) > >> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Where is this documented? Godddd what a dumb a.s response.... just so you know I find it rude, possibly intentionally rude. You are unable to read what I wrote and see the patently obvious validity of it. when you eat EMPTY foods, with no nutrition... your body will still crave the nutrients its needs.... duhhhhhhh. There are also a few hundred books on the subject.... find one pal. read it. Or you can just garner up some comon sense. the other issue of getting addicted to processed food has been in the news lately... there are now major law suits in the works... learn how to search google using the relevant key words.... and oh yes.... if you are a moron you can select only the processed food manufactures dis information then smear that around. that would be impressive. The pissed off, Phil Scott > >and take your vitamins...and break the eating habit...eat only > >at the table, three times a day on shedule...thats it. Dont [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) > > Where is this documented? > > Godddd what a dumb a.s response.... just so you know I > find it rude, possibly intentionally rude. You are unable > to read what I wrote and see the patently obvious validity of > it. Now *that* was the *real* dumb a.s response... You must have heard or read it somewhere and it's totally legal to ask for the source. :: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? :: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: :: Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier? Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite', which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. Drinking some water before eating would also give some sense of fulness. Eating less energy dense foods is one strategy. Striving to have small protion sizes like the japanese is one good choice. Avoiding refined food and favoring fiber containg food like whole grain products helps also. And last, having small but many meals during the day would help also. SignatureJuhana >:: Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? >:: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite', >which is good; however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. OK, then how much before? And what will do the best job of spoiling my appetite? >Drinking some >water before eating would also give some sense of fulness. Eating less >energy dense foods is one strategy. Striving to have small protion sizes >like the japanese is one good choice. Avoiding refined food and favoring >fiber containg food like whole grain products helps also. And last, >having small but many meals during the day would help also. -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) :: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:20:38 +0200, "Juhana Harju" :: <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: OK, then how much before? And what will do the best job of spoiling :: my appetite? That could be almost anything healthy about half an hour prior to the meal. One or half of an apple might be a good choice. SignatureJuhana >:: On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:20:38 +0200, "Juhana Harju" >:: <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >That could be almost anything healthy about half an hour prior to the >meal. One or half of an apple might be a good choice. I'll give that a try, but I can't imagine that 1 apple will serve to curb my appetite. I have tried a banana, a couple of slices of whole wheat toast, and a few crackers with brie. As far as I can tell, they didn't do much to change the total amount consumed, but maybe I wasn't eating them early enough. Thanks -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) :: I'll give that a try, but I can't imagine that 1 apple will serve to :: curb my appetite. I have tried a banana, a couple of slices of whole :: wheat toast, and a few crackers with brie. As far as I can tell, they :: didn't do much to change the total amount consumed, but maybe I :: wasn't eating them early enough. These are helpful strategies but they don't solve the problem. They are just means that might increase your success a little bit. SignatureJuhana > Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite', > which is good; I think it is called preloading. >however 10 minutes prior meal is too late. Drinking some > water before eating would also give some sense of fulness. I don't think water really makes you feel full. Your body doesn't recognize water as food. You need to have water in your food, like soup, for it to work. >> Yes, you just mentioned a strategy called 'spoiling your appetite', >> which is good; [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >recognize water as food. You need to have water in your food, like >soup, for it to work. Yes, that is my experience as well. Water makes no difference at all. -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) Aerobic exercise can suppress appetite for an hour or more. Fiber helps fill your stomach. Starting a meal with a salad or soup or eating fruit a few minutes prior to meals may help. Slowing down one's eating, perhaps starting with a moment of reflection and awareness of one's state of hunger and appreciation of the meal, followed by slow and mindfull eating with intermittent re-assessments of one's hunger. Stop eating when one's hunger is satiated, but one is not "stuffed." High fiber meals and drinking adequate calorie free fluids (preferably water or green tea) might also help. > Starting a meal with a salad or soup or eating fruit a few minutes > prior to meals may help. Slowing down one's eating, perhaps starting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > drinking adequate calorie free fluids (preferably water or green tea) > might also help. Thanks! borba744@duskmail.com While your idea is very interesting, I feel that portion control is better. In other words, keep the meal small, wolf it down, and then use some self control for ten minutes. Ten minutes is not an unreasonable amount of time to endure hunger. Plan to re-evaluate your satiation after the ten minutes. In my experience the hunger is usually gone. It is better to eat with a goal to stop hunger, than it is to eat with a goal of feeling full or stuffed. There is a big difference in calories. > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? There are, but none that work for everyone. If a method existed that worked for everyone, we would all be using it rahter than posting on diet groups. So try various stuff and see what works for you. Some mix of habit changes, psychological changes based on decisions, lerning if you have any trigger foods and avoiding them, and some sort of portion control plan that doesn't push you into hunger. One reason low carb plans are so popular is they make fewer people hungry than low fat plans. If only it worked for everyone but at least knowing that plenty of people who low carb are almost never hungry makes it a good idea to try it at some point. Of course once low carbing got popular sodid all manner of extreme approaches and extreme approaches in general tend to fail. Also there's a difference between never being hungry while you're on-plan and being able to go off-plan and still not be hungry. Craching off plan is a problem for everyone. Ideally, the best way to handle hunger is to not get more hungry than you find comfortable. Very subjective issue. So if you haven't been uncomfortably hungry in perhaps a week or two cut your portions a bit. If you are uncomfortably hungry most days increase your portions a bit. But keep to the bottom of the range you find works and change your portions slowly. If you can lose slowly iwthout getting uncomfortably hungry, you are more likely to last a long time on your plan and longevity beats all else in the long run. >> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >One reason low carb plans are so popular is they make >fewer people hungry than low fat plans. I tried Atkins and I was never hungry. I went off of it because I didn't think it was very healthy and my cholesterol, already too high, went through the roof. >If only it >worked for everyone but at least knowing that plenty [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >you are more likely to last a long time on your plan >and longevity beats all else in the long run. " longevity beats all else in the long run" Great Yogi Berra type quote. -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) >> Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? Savor your food. Eat it slowly. Enjoy every bite. Pay attention to the taste, smell, and texture of each mouth-full. Do NOT mindlessly wolf down your food in front of the TV. Simply put, be 'mindful' of what you eat. I know that sounds obvious, but I really think that too many of us (myself included) don't really pay attention and appreciate what we are eating and then... the next thing you know... the bag/container/plate of whatever it was has disappeared! And... not having enjoyed it as much as we thought we would, we often then reach for something else to satisfy our craving (is it really hunger??) > Savor your food. Eat it slowly. Enjoy every bite. Pay attention to > the taste, smell, and texture of each mouth-full. I think that is great advice. We need to practice at the enjoyment of food and the meal, something I think is lacking in our fast food frenzy. S-l-o-o-o-o-o-w down. I noticed that I used to eat faster than anyone else at the table, so I decided to stop half-way through and wait for others to catch-up. Now, I talk more during meals and we engage at the table such that conversation and meals take upwards of an hour. But, we have a lot more fun and laughter. One big problem to overcome is the psychological element of wasting food. It's okay to not finish and just throw it away. If wasting food really bugs you then try to put less on your plate next time; but, be brave and throw it away. Most people do not over eat simply because they are hungry. They over eat to compensate for something missing in their lives. Find out the root cause for why you want to eat. Look for comfort in people rather than in food. And you will find your self shedding those excess pounds. Always keep in mind that you don't need to stop eating or exercise for hours every day to lose weight. Just a few simple lifestyle changes and healthy food habits added to your daily routine can turn your life around. You will start to lose weight within days and feel healthy and fit within no time at all. Just remember diets never work! http://www.buycheapphentermineonline.com/diet_weightloss.html > Most people do not over eat simply because they are hungry. They over > eat to compensate for something missing in their lives. Find out the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Just remember diets never work! Neither does becoming dependent on cheaper drugs. Work another corner please. > Most people do not over eat simply because they are hungry. They over > eat to compensate for something missing in their lives. Find out the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.buycheapphentermineonline.com/diet_weightloss.html Also it is more important what you eat than how much you eat if you are wanting to get fitter. You can eat a lot of pulses and most vegetables without getting unfit. Some foods with a high sugar content will promote a drop in blood sugar which will make you feel hungry. Also try cooking. When you go to the trouble of cooking your own food from basic ingredients you are less likely to overeat. Some say the experience of preparing food helps produce the digestive enzymes which aid digestion. >Most people do not over eat simply because they are hungry. They over >eat to compensate for something missing in their lives. Find out the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://www.buycheapphentermineonline.com/diet_weightloss.html Hey, it works. Just reading your drivel caused me to lose my appetite. -- Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com (11/09/04) > >Most people do not over eat simply because they are hungry. They over > >eat to compensate for something missing in their lives. Find out the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://www.buycheapphentermineonline.com/diet_weightloss.html > Hey, it works. Just reading your drivel caused me to lose my appetite. Ahh...you ARE an abuse jerk after all...I was not entirely sure just from your bogus response to what I posted. Impressive. You loose weight by providing your body with nutrient dense foods that are also low on calories and fats. Thats raw food prodominantly. Raw vegitable juice (made fresh by yourself) is magic. Then you break the addictions to processed food. and you educate yourself..you do not ask for advice then trash those who spend time offering it or demand that they post links that you can also trash.... the truth lies in a broad reading, understanding, and experience... not in a single reference. Personality is also a factor...if you are a nasty trasher that will generate internal strife... some people eat to sooth the upset that brings...then their a.s gets FAT... then they whine more about those who offer advice when they ask.... wich upsets them again so off to the frig again for another bowl of mac and cheeeze.. Being overweight is a very broad spectrum disease... no single source is going to address all aspects, and few single sources understand all aspects... If you eat mostly raw, and raw veg juice, and as I posted earlier, and join a gym, and eliminate processed foods, including dairy especially.. magic will happen very very quickly...but then so will unbearable cravings. You will not beat the unbearable cravings unless you understand all these factors..then you can have the strength to do so. The other issue is how fat IS your a.s in the first place...if you are 20 lbs overweight, thats still difficult to the limit for many people...if you are 100 or 200 lbs overweight there are many other issues...and loosing the weight can be very risky if not done properly...and a total challenge at that. I suspect the latter as the various little tricks mentioned, such as drinking water didnt help. It boils down to nutrition.. not empty calories...and excercize to increase the metabolism. If you now wish to try and hose me with something from the dairy lobby in order to prove your brilliance... be my guest. and enjoy your weight problem. Phil Scott > -- > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) There are over 183 million overweight Americans. Approximately 62 percent of Americans are overweight.** The problem is obviously more than just a problem of diet alone or willpower. We need sensible lifestyle changes, as have been suggested here by Phil Scott and others. A lot of the information we receive is propaganda that encourages poor lifestyle choices from processed foods to lack of activity, consumerism brings us fad diets and synopsis answers expected from our serial comedy lives on television. What we need are real facts about nutrition and real choices in our lifestyles. Lifestyle change isn't a bad thing, or even difficult, it doesn't require discipline or challenges. We just need the right information and the willingness to overcome the denial and learn. Enjoy life. Eat well. Get plenty of sleep and exercise. Choose well. **http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237319 > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Email: Usenet-20031220 at spamex.com > (11/09/04) I think that's why eating a salad or low-cal helps some people. http://www.healthtalk.ca/salad_eat_less_10042004_3857.php Signaturejmk in NC Some strategies that I find helpful: Eat more fruits and vegetables - 4 to 5 times a day. Drink 1oz of water to pound of weight per day, e.g. 200 lbs = 200oz. of water per day. Eat the healthiest items on your plate first. Drink tea. - have a nice cup of tea to supplant hunger. Celery. Snack on celery. Smaller meals - 4 or 5 a day. Fattening foods tend to increase your appetite the next day. After a big juicy hamburger, the next day I have an enormous appetite. Caffeine increases your appetite. Green tea seems to calm an appetite. Reduce your salt intake, salt seems to increase appetite. Diet sodas are loaded with salt. Drink water or tea instead. Have oatmeal for breakfast - it really does seem to hold your appetite back longer. > Some strategies that I find helpful: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Have oatmeal for breakfast - it really does seem to hold your appetite > back longer. Nice! I can't have the oatmeal or celery and won't give up my one cup of half coffee and half water every day and otherwise will incorporate these suggestions. SignatureDiva **** "If my call is so important," she asks, "why doesn't anyone answer the damn phone?" If you can't have the oatmeal or celery, maybe you could try apples. Apples are said to reduce appetite too.** I don't think apple pie works the same though. :-( Green tea seems to hold appetite at bay for me, and green tea may actually help weight loss by increasing your fat burning ability by around 4% per day.*** Assuming a balance weight at 2000 calories per day, drinking green tea would cause you to burn an additional 80 calories per day. Over a year, that would be 89 pounds of weight lost. There are about 4,000 (only a slight exaggeration) different kinds of green tea with many flavors, there's bound to be one you like. Whole loose leaf teas are the best, but there is no shortage of bagged teas and flavors in any grocery store. Just be sure to read the label that you are in fact getting tea and not merely a herbal infusion (no tea). **http://www.abla.norduke.com/welness_w.htm ***http://www.aboutgreentea.com/greenteadiet.html I appreciate your efforts to help but Latex Allergy and Celiac Disease mean eliminating certain foods for me. I have viable alternatives and am quite satisfied. eg: pear instead of apple, Here are my suggestions: "It's A First" (no second helpings) "Less-On-Ya" (light lasagna, with zucchini strips instead of pasta, tomato sauce made from tomato juice, minced onion and garlic and ground chicken (the new beef) and instead of hight fat cheese I crumble in dry pressed cottage cheese and my version tastes a lot like the calorie dense one. I leave the car unless traveling a long distance where there are no sidewalks, shop more often and carry my groceries home, take the stairs whenever I can. SignatureDiva ****** There is no substitute for the right food > Are there hunger management strategies that actually work? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are there other strategies that can make eating less easier? I have a friend who drinks Tabasco sauce straight from the bottle whenever she feels too hungry. She says it makes her just a little bit nauseous, but not sick. Just nauseous enough to get past the hunger pangs. Bizarre. And no, my friend is not KellyClarksonTV. tkb > I have a friend who drinks Tabasco sauce straight from the bottle > whenever she feels too hungry. She says it makes her just a little bit > nauseous, but not sick. Just nauseous enough to get past the hunger > pangs. Bizarre. And no, my friend is not KellyClarksonTV. Aversion (sp?) therapy. But yes, I'd say a little extreme, if you ask me. Donna K. 398.8/291.2/275 (next short term goal) New WOE began Jan 2003 |
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