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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / February 2005red salmon
Is it true that salmon is white and that they add some colour to it to make it pink ? And is that toxic ? Virg Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that contain pigments such as astaxanthin. Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be "yellowgray" To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically produced carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed, but, AFA anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic. > Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that contain > pigments such as astaxanthin. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed, but, AFA > anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic. thanks for filling me on the accurate details...I assumed it was dye, because the lables say 'artificially colored'. its good to hear its not dye. Phil Scott >> Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat >that contain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >was dye, because the lables say 'artificially colored'. its >good to hear its not dye. Huh? He just explained to you that it is a dye, namely astaxanthin. bob > ><christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Huh? He just explained to you that it is a dye, namely astaxanthin. didnt sound like dye to me... but an organic compound apart from what I consider to be a pure dye, inorganic in most cases. Phil Scott > bob >> ><christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >from what I consider to be a pure dye, inorganic in most >cases. Dictionary (and general use): a dye is a coloring matter. period. It may be organic or inorganic, soluble or insoluble, natural or synthetic, toxic or not -- all of which are more or less independent of each other. Not surprisingly, it is common to use adjectives with "dye", to pin down what is meant. Is there any information on the toxicity of astaxanthin, both natural and synthetic forms?? It is interesting how much coloring is added to foods to make them conform to our pre-conceptions! bob >Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that contain >pigments such as astaxanthin. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed, but, AFA >anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic. See also www.food-info.net in the Questions and Answer part. or search Astaxanthin or Salmon. Ralf :: On 11 Feb 2005 05:55:38 -0800, "christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com" :: <christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: :: Ralf There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed salmon is _very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid (20:4) because of the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to salmon.  SignatureJuhana :: Ralf wrote: :::: On 11 Feb 2005 05:55:38 -0800, "christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] :: because of the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to :: salmon. http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000064000000000000000-w.html SignatureJuhana >There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed salmon is >_very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid (20:4) because of >the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to salmon. Some farmers give the fish soy oil and other food high in omega-6 instead of giving them fish oil (which is more expensive). It is a tragedy that declaration of PUFA composition of farmed fish is not obligatory. In case of using omega-3 fat, salmon cannot make so much arachidonate. if any at all because omega-3 will dominate the active site of delta-5 desaturase. :: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:22:39 +0200, "Juhana Harju" :: <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: so much arachidonate. if any at all because omega-3 will dominate the :: active site of delta-5 desaturase. I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am not sure about this. SignatureJuhana >I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are >changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am >not sure about this. grains and corn is not a natural food at all for salmons or any other fishes :-) But it is cheap for the fish farmer. So they give a damn and sell the fish as a prime source of omega-3 acids. And people believe that and omega-6 dependent diseases flourish and fish intake is blamed. > >I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are > >changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > And people believe that and omega-6 dependent diseases flourish and > fish intake is blamed. Farmed salmon is seen as an inferior product. Higher toxin loads and less omega 3 fatty acids. The oil tankers are doing their part to destroy the salmon fishery. The area around the Valdez tanker leak is still damaged contrary to what the AM radio prostitutes say. > Is it true that salmon is white and that they add some colour to it to > make it pink ? > And is that toxic ? > > Virg Natural salmon is pink...from eating shrimp etc at sea... shimp is too costly to feed farm raised salmon, so synthic foods are fed to those, and grain etc...the pink color goes out of the flesh..so dye is added to make the farm raized salmon pink again. The dye is no doubt toxic to a faint extent..more toxic are other things found in the farm raised fish...you can research that on google. www.google.com 'web' tab on top left of the empty box... then fill in the new empty box with the relevant key words you wish to search...such as 'farm raised salmon. toxic' There is much bogus data in these areas...say 'it doubles risk of some cancers'... when you look at the details you find the risk was one in a million in the first place...now its 2 in a million... thats mostly disinformation, and smoke put out by drug companies to distract from the fact that much of *their crap KILLS hundreds of thousands of people a year outright... and maims millions more...and bankrupts entire society's. but the SALMON... DOUBLED the risk of corneal transplant rejection... one guy in 30 million suffered. See? thats the game. Other issues can be legitimate..you need to become a wary student of all this while looking for spin...and motives... and please do understand the trillion dollar drug industry has a long record of putting shills into these NG's..to trash alternative methods and those who expose thier frauds...fortunately with the vioxx and other scandals lately they lost a lot of credibity. next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you need a prescription. Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the table in Canada right now. Phil Scott >> next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any > worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the > table in Canada right now. Nasty for the people who are selling products that don't meet quality standards or make claims that aren't supported by the facts. Good for consumers, though. http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp Jeff >>> next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any >> worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp > Jeff whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt $300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.? Sounds like you work for Codex Ruby ====================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "All people have a self-obligation to understand that while institutions grow from common interests and needs of many people, control of institutions inevitably falls into the hands of people motivated by self- interest, and that therefore almost all which proceeds from institutions serves only the institution." --------------------Bill Drake. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt > $300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to > take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during > the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can > be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.? Well, I would like to know where this happens. As stated by many others, Germany already IS a Codex country, and NOTHING has changed concerning the availability of vitamin tablets and their prices in the last few years. You can buy tablets with 1000mg vit C without any prescription or doctor's visit for reasonable prices, and any drugstore has a shelf with the complete alphabet of vitamines. Seems as if some people are very eager to create new urban legends. Did you notice that many posts stating these lies about Codex countries end with asking for donations to an obscure organization. Honi soit qui mal y pense. Probably I have the wrong job, I'd better post nightmares on the usenet and ask for donations to prohibit them. Winfried from Germany > > whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt > > $300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Winfried from Germany The supplement directive is yet to be implemented. It is too be implemented mid summer of this year. There maybe some urban legend postings on the topic but the reality of the EU supplement directive is coming. I not going to fly to Germany to check out vitamins availability. Keep us posted in the future. > The supplement directive is yet to be implemented. > It is too be implemented mid summer of this year. Strange enough that this article which is currently spread all over the newsgroups claims that it describes a visit to a german pharmacy and has the title 'Life under Codex'. Winfried >whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt >$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to >take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during >the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can >be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.? Hm. Maybe move to a socialistic country. Here you pay NOK 120 for a doctors visit. And if it is to repeat a prescription, it is around NOK 30. The other taxpayers pay the rest of the bill (and partly oil production) When I had surgery for glaucoma two and a half year ago I payed NOK 400 (about 7 NOK pr $, so divide with 7 to give your price). The second was free because I had passed the upper limit of NOK 1500 for doctors visit, transport and medicine. This year the limit has increased to NOK 2500. And then all "blue prescription" pills are free. Blue prescription is a special prescription, written on blue paper which is given on medicine for chronically ill people, at least having a disease continuing for more than 3 month. I have insulin and Nexium on blue prescription for my part :-) >whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt >$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to >take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during >the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can >be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.? If I had been a doctor and a patient had come asking for a prescription for vit C or E, I probably would have taken $3000 for that visit, minimum. And by the way, how strong are your selenium tablets? 1 g? Our are 100 ug. I think that is quite good dose. Taking 2-4 daily gives a good optimum here. In some parts of US, giving 1 ug may be chronic poisonous (like feeding fluoride in areas where natural background is very high). Are the worst areas in seleniferous areas of South Dakota at all populated? ::: whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will ::: charge abt $300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: prescription for vit C or E, I probably would have taken $3000 for :: that visit, minimum. Why? Vitamin C reduces blood pressure, cardiovascular disease mortality and all-cause mortality. SignatureJuhana :: Alf Christophersen wrote: :::: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: Why? Vitamin C reduces blood pressure, cardiovascular disease :: mortality and all-cause mortality. Duffy SJ, Gokce N, Holbrook M, et al. Treatment of hypertension with ascorbic acid. Lancet. 1999; 354:2048-2049. Knekt P et al., Antioxidant vitamins and coronary heart disease risk: a pooled analysis of 9 cohorts. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 80, No. 6, 1508-1520, December 2004. Fletcher AE, Breeze E, Shetty PS. Antioxidant vitamins and mortality in older persons: findings from the nutrition add-on study to the Medical Research Council Trial of Assessment and Management of Older People in the Community. Am J Clin Nutr. 2003 Nov;78(5):999-1010. Salonen RM et al, Six-year effect of combined vitamin C and E supplementation on atherosclerotic progression: the Antioxidant Supplementation in Atherosclerosis Prevention (ASAP) Study.Circulation 2003,Feb 25;107(7):947-53.) SignatureJuhana >Why? Vitamin C reduces blood pressure, cardiovascular disease mortality >and all-cause mortality. for misuse of a doctor. Just go to your nearest shop and buy the pills yourself. If doses in each pill is too low, well, eat the amount of pills needed. Noone is checking if you buy a box of vit. C daily, or go to the pharmacist and buy 500 g of free ascorbate. But don't use the doctor to try to get a prescriptions he cannot write anyway because vit C is not regarded as medicine. > And by the way, how strong are your selenium tablets? 1 g? > > Our are 100 ug. I think that is quite good dose. Taking 2-4 daily > gives a good optimum here. The selenium level in Germany is a bit under average but there has never been a reported case of any disease that might have been caused by lack of selenium. Many people say that at least in Germany a selenium supplement is not necessary. Winfried >The selenium level in Germany is a bit under average but there has >never been a reported case of any disease that might have been caused >by lack of selenium. Many people say that at least in Germany a >selenium supplement is not necessary. As I reminds the soil in Germany most places are rather neutral/alkaline and relatively high in Se. In Scandinavia and England mean intake is now less than 50 ug daily except amongst people eating lot of fish. Earlier in Norway we used lot of US or Canadian wheat quite high in Se, now we use Se-free wheat (giving less than 1 ug pr kg) which give animals lots of problems so veterinarians has to give sheep and pigs a big dose of Se and vit E monthly. > >> next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any > > worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeff Jeff...you are believing the propaganda... CODEX is the nastiest possible thing for consumers under cover of protecting them from a few unscrupulous vendors.... the down side is limiting vitamin E sales for one example to a few milligrams and making any meaningful therapeutic dose go through a physician at the cost of 200 dollars for capsusles we are paying 20 dollars for now. To push their cause in this case recently bogus information was released that has been uttterly unsuported that doses of vivtamin E over 400 mg a day is damaging... utter bullshit... doses of 3000 units of E a day has saved many lives, mine included when the doctors had had said there was nothing else they could do. it is NOT the job of government, of all the bogus institutions imaginable, to protect the people from errror...it is the peoples right to keep government from error and abuse. But I understand, your brainwashing to the contrary has you believing in government.... In that case there is not much I can say to you except, hang in there son, as you age you see what a bogus bunch of slime bags comprise goverment and will morn the day that you ever supported anything like CODEX. CODEX is a drug company scam to capture the vitamin and suppliments market, then 10x the prices...its a simple as that... and the drug companies are spending billions brain washing the public that its to protect them. not much I can do if you are clueless enough to only read and reference thier propaganda. Phil Scott > > "Phil Scott" <philscott888@sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you > > > need a prescription. > > Good for consumers, though. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeff...you are believing the propaganda... And what about you? Do you believe or do you have any facts? Please tell me which dose of vit E used to cost USD 4 and now costs USD 200 plus a doctor's visit in Germany. I happen to live in Germany and did not see any package of vit E which costs more than a few USD. It is still available in any drugstore and many supermarkets. BTW, consumers in Germany would be happy if they could receive a pack of vit E on prescripition (whatever it may cost) instead of paying USD 4 for it. Due to the german health insurance system you never pay more than a fixed amount depending on package size, NOT depending on actual cost. Very few people in Germany pay themselves for their prescription drugs. Winfried >BTW, consumers in Germany would be happy if they could receive a pack >of vit E on prescripition (whatever it may cost) instead of paying USD >4 for it. Due to the german health insurance system you never pay more >than a fixed amount depending on package size, NOT depending on actual >cost. Very few people in Germany pay themselves for their prescription >drugs. Same here. I would really look forward to get any drugs that must be used chronicly on a blue prescription (but I think it is not possible) If also green prescription would be free for paying after reaching an upper limit, I would love it. (free access to physical studios, free vegetables and lot of other healthy stuff). > next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any > worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance > now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you > need a prescription. Another victim of the anti-Codex-propaganda or rather lies. Please show me a place in Germany (where I live) where they sell vit E pills for USD 200 and ask for a prescription. At least in low doses vit E pills are available in any major supermarket for a few USD (without prescription), and you can buy as many packages as you want. There has been no noticeable price lap for vitamine pills in Germany in the past few years. Winfried from Germany >> next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any >> worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Winfried from Germany HI Winfried Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom. http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf Best N10 pro the freedom to eat what you like > > Another victim of the anti-Codex-propaganda or rather lies. Please > > show me a place in Germany (where I live) where they sell vit E pills [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf I am still waiting for a verification of the statements about the food supplement situation in Germany and the 'price rises' due to the implementation of Codex in Germany. Maybe the EU directive is a threat but your arguments will not get stronger if you are argueing with fiction, not facts. Winfried >Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom. > >http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf Can't you rather cite some government pages, rather than a consulting firm who are free to tell any fairytale on the net. UK has no White House. It must be a fake site. >>Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > UK has no White House. It must be a fake site. You either cant read, dont know what your talking about or both lol N10 >You either cant read, dont know what your talking about or both lol UK has a Parliament, not a White House. USA has a White House on the other side. Don't mix that. : Is it true that salmon is white and that they add some color to it to : make it pink ? : And is that toxic ? : Virg I am coming in late on this one (and have read most of the 26 replies) ... ... but it reminds me of a story that I read thirty or more years ago, AFAIK it was long before fish farming was carried out anywhere in Canada. A cannery in B.C. found that the white flesh (wild, of course) salmon that they canned were losing out to the canners of pink salmon - others of the several salmon sub-species that were fished off the B.C. coast in those days. Their sales boomed when they added the following statement to their product label: "Guaranteed not to turn pink in the can." Ben Fullerton |
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