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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / February 2005Boost?
Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A nurse advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost." From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of water, corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it promises. My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a time, much adulterated with milk and water. Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that it is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single- serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on taking it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet, though she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol level. -:- "Hey! This shake's no good!" "Yeah! It's like cement!" "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine." --Flaming Carrot Comics  SignatureCol. G. L. Sicherman colonel@mail.monmouth.com I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up, I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me. On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of sugar! After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost." I'm convinced they feed that crap to the elderly to kill them off quicker. > Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A nurse > advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Col. G. L. Sicherman > colonel@mail.monmouth.com Late in life, anorexia can be a problem due to medical problems, cancer, cancer TX, or other meds. Thus the products fill a niche. Could they be designed better, yes. And yes I muttered thoughts similar to yours under my breath, which you've just posted for "all" to see. :-) > I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized > and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Col. G. L. Sicherman > > colonel@mail.monmouth.com > I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized > and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the > first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of sugar! Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess except you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure. Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble digesting normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used in tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason. > After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they > all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost." > I'm convinced they feed that crap to the elderly to kill them off quicker. If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you capatable of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple? Get an education will you. > > Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A > nurse [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Col. G. L. Sicherman > > colonel@mail.monmouth.com Hey insulting one! How come Ensure is sold as a drinkable supplement in the grocery stores? easy big boy. > > I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized > > and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > Col. G. L. Sicherman > > > colonel@mail.monmouth.com > Hey insulting one! How come Ensure is sold as a drinkable supplement in the > grocery stores? Because they assume people can read the label. It is a concentrated supplement for people having trouble eating regular food. Glucerna is the product for diabetics produced by the same company. It is sold for G tube feeding and people do not even taste the food. These are home feedings. As far as calling me the insulting one, I guess when somebody says that it kills people that isn't insulting? "I'm convinced they feed that crap to the elderly to kill them off quicker." " > easy big boy. > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > > > Col. G. L. Sicherman > > > > colonel@mail.monmouth.com > "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess > except you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure. I did not give "Ensure" to a diabetic, I gave her a can of "Boost" that was specifically labeled to be formulated for diabetics. Get it? > Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble digesting > normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple? > Get an education will you. I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances, thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were both nutritious AND palatable. I'm well aware that these "products" are given to those who have difficulty eating or swallowing, but this was the first time that I actually looked at their ingredients, and it was my first TASTE of what you call a "complete meal used in tube feeding," and it is a disgrace to sick people to feed them this absolutely obnoxious concoction. You would think (not you, you don't know any better) - that a professionally formulated meal replacement would actually NOT consist of the exact same sugary junk that a more nutritionally enlightened society is trying to get away from, or that its taste wouldn't be so horrible as to make a billy goat puke. No wonder that those who have to be hospitalized for longer periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any other number of chronic diseases. > > "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > > Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Boost" that was specifically labeled to be formulated for > diabetics. Get it? I am not familiar with Boost and it is not commonly recommended by medical professionals. You threw in the reference to Ensure by stating that they are all the same. I suggest you learn how to read labels. There are manny people being kept alive through G tube feeding contrary to your idiotic posting. > > Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble > digesting [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any > other number of chronic diseases. >I suggest you learn how to read labels. Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten something lethal, and are dying:-) How do expect him to read the lables with that damn tube down his throat? He can't put his head down or the tube breaks. > >I suggest you learn how to read labels. > > Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten > something lethal, and are dying:-) That's for the funny things you two put in.. That's about all contributions you are qualified to make. I especially enjoyed your silly idiotic remarks on lactose intolerance. This world would be a real solemn place without fools like you to laugh at. That's a compliment from me to you and you are welcome. > How do expect him to read the lables with that damn tube down his throat? He > can't put his head down or the tube breaks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten > > something lethal, and are dying:-) >I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances, >thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were >both nutritious AND palatable. Sounds like a nice example that advertisiers has almost a free market to sell snake oil, because consumers are not well informed about what it contain, what it do and in this case, how it tastes. If people only buy one bucket once in their lifetime, being 5 billion potential one-time purchasers, they still would do it great. Understand why Codex alimentarius are needed?? (Probably not because most people discuss with emotional background, not realistic background putting things together.) > >I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances, > >thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to sell snake oil, because consumers are not well informed about what > it contain, what it do and in this case, how it tastes. Explain to me how one makes a tastful nutritious meal in a blender? Tell me about baby food. Are they all tastful? Is a bolus of fat IV tastful? My doctor told me that if it tasts good then it probably is bad for you. Put donuts in a blender and is it tastful? Does something tastful have all the fat, carbs, protein, vitamins and minerals needed for life or are you simply making concoctions that taste good? > If people only buy one bucket once in their lifetime, being 5 billion > potential one-time purchasers, they still would do it great. It is a closed market for G tube feeders. Please name me all the hundreds of manufacturers that provide liguid food that can go through a small diameter tube. There are no homemade brews there. > Understand why Codex alimentarius are needed?? (Probably not because > most people discuss with emotional background, not realistic > background putting things together.) Explain to me what products Codex alimentarius can provide to patients with gastric entero tubes such as in Alzheimer's or ALS or MS or strokes? >Explain to me how one makes a tastful nutritious meal in a blender? Tell me >about baby food. Are they all tastful? Sorry, I cited a wrong chapter. >Is a bolus of fat IV tastful? Since my chronic infection arose from chronic teeth root canal infections, I had to remove all teeth except three in lower jaw. That ment I had to blend everything that I was going to eat. Not for tube feeding, but at least to make everything fluid. Several of the things the blended for me in hospital was quite tasty, and lot of the things I made for myself was also tasty, but didn't look so appetizing for others. Like green salad, tomatoes and paprika blended with quite good amount of LEAR rape seed oil, some vinegar, a dash of salt, a teaspoon of curry paste and a teaspoon of some good mustard. Very tasteful. Other varieties may be made too. (The first days after recovering the big bang I also used some preparats meant for tube feeding patients (it was a very narrow escape from being tube fed myself because I lost almost all muscle protein and skin fat (and other fatdeposits too.My skin was just paperthin the first days) > > "Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > > Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > disgrace to sick people to feed them this absolutely obnoxious > concoction. Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into a tube directly into the stomach. No taste is involved. It is a balanced meal of fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins. You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only way to keep somebody alive. You can not give enough volume of your home made liquified meals because they have trouble swallowing in those still taking food that way. IT IS NOT CONCENTRATED enough to do them any good. > You would think (not you, you don't know any better) - that a > professionally formulated meal replacement would actually NOT > consist of the exact same sugary junk that a more nutritionally > enlightened society is trying to get away from, or that its taste > wouldn't be so horrible as to make a billy goat puke. The main energy source of the cell is glucose. Learn some biochemistry and go to school. Nutritionally enlightened? People are starving to death moron which is why they need a high concentration of carbs etc. They can not eat a normal diet. You are lucky to get one teaspoon full of liquid by mouth and you want to dilute it to a gallon so it doesnt' taste too sweet. You are equating somebody who has type II diabetes because they eat like pigs and take high carb drinks to somebody who is starving. Get a clue. > No wonder that those who have to be hospitalized for longer > periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any > other number of chronic diseases. You never worked in a hospital moron so you have no idea. Try taking care of a sick person for a change. You are not talking simply of hospitalized patients but home based people. Go back and get your Phd in newsgroup crap. >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into > a tube directly into the stomach. No taste is involved. Since it is sold in cans in regular stores, the intended way is to drink it, not forcing it into the stomach through a tube, unless that's the way YOU take it so you won't puke. You obviously are somehow connected with peddling these products or make a living with it, because no sane person would ever defend vile stuff like that so vigorously. > It is a balanced meal of > fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins. So is a rotting cadaver, but it is still better suited to be consumed by vultures than by humans. Makes one wonder what kind of depraved mind would come up with such a sickening list of ingredients. And adding a few vitamins won't save the day either. > You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only > way to keep somebody alive. Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state." If someone should survive, it's despite of it, not because of it. That stuff is a liquified version of what by any standards is considered the worst form of junk food, which would make most healthy people chronically sick if they consumed it long enough, and you are telling me that it is intended to make sick people healthy? Give me a break.......! > You never worked in a hospital moron so you have no idea. > Try taking care of a sick person for a change. I have spent half of my life in medical research, and I'm no stranger to taking care of sick people. That's why I am appalled how so many other medical professionals blindly follow a protocol designed as window dressing that appears to keep the sick and elderly "alive" and "well-fed" in front of family members, while all along using horrendous formulations that even the fittest would have a difficult time to survive on. > >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > > Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to drink it, not forcing it into the stomach through a tube, > unless that's the way YOU take it so you won't puke. The intention is for you to eat real food. There is no need for people who are able to tolerate real food should eat it. What excuse can you give me otherwise? > You obviously are somehow connected with peddling these > products or make a living with it, because no sane person > would ever defend vile stuff like that so vigorously. I am a health care professional and that product is the only one compatible with liguid feeding devices. You can not grind food and expect it to go into any feeding tube. You want something that tastes good then try fried chicken. Try chicken soup. A product like this is not intended to compete with really tasty food. Tasty food is rarely nutritious for you. Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving fruit juices to infants anymore? That's what you sound like is a baby crying for his juice. > > It is a balanced meal of > > fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins. > > So is a rotting cadaver, but it is still better suited > to be consumed by vultures than by humans. You have no idea of what you are talking about. Your only interest seems to be tasteful food. > Makes one wonder what kind of depraved mind would > come up with such a sickening list of ingredients. > And adding a few vitamins won't save the day either. Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste. Come up with something better instead of bitching about it. > > You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only > > way to keep somebody alive. > > Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state." That's a different question all together. I hope you don't have to experience your own babble. > If someone should survive, it's despite of it, not because of it. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and you are telling me that it is intended to make sick people > healthy? It is not intended for healthy people moron. IT is not intended for normal healthy people. There is no reason why a healthy normal person should eat that. Understand? Take a class in nutrition OK. > Give me a break.......! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > family members, while all along using horrendous formulations > that even the fittest would have a difficult time to survive on. It is not intended for normal healthy people moron. Understand? It is not intended for normal healthy people. Why is that? Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that want. I am appalled at people like yourself who pretend to do research and remove themselves from taking care of patients. You have all these great ideas about how to do things but it comes up as a bunch of crap when one actually tries to practice it. What you or anyone else cares about keeping "alive" anyone is up to the person and his family and not a.sholes like you who want and think they have a right to make decisions for everyone. Keep on bitching as that is all you can come up with. Go drink some more juice that tastes good baby. >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > I am a health care professional and that product is the only one compatible > with liguid feeding devices. You can not grind food and expect it to go into > any feeding tube. That has never been an issue. You keep straying off the subject and keep repeating the same off-topic nonsense. I have seen the elderly and sick given this junk over and over again as a form of meal replacement. However only recently I had a chance to not only taste it, but look at the label and familiarize myself with the ingredients. Yes, the taste is repugnant, but the more important issue here is that these products are pushed on the elderly and sick in the disguise of providing nutritious and life-sustaining support, while in reality they are nothing more than a donut in a can, and they only worsen many of the chronic illnesses the targeted population is suffering from. > Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving > fruit juices to infants anymore? > That's what you sound like is a baby crying for his juice. I'm not only familiar with it, but I'm on record of having made these recommendations decades ago as part of my research on simple sugars and their effect on chronic diseases. > Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you > don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste. No, the issue is that IT IS possible to provide liquified meals that are both nutritious AND palatable, and these products in question provide the exact opposite. > > Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state." > > That's a different question all together. I hope you don't have to > experience your own babble. On the contrary, this is precisely the issue at hand. > It is not intended for healthy people moron. IT is not intended for normal > healthy people. There is no reason why a healthy normal person should eat > that. Understand? I understand it alright. But do YOU understand it? The real reason is because it would make a healthy person sick! So if it makes a healthy person sick, why is it given to the elderly and sick to supposedly make, or keep them healthy? > It is not intended for normal healthy people moron. Understand? > It is not intended for normal healthy people. Why is that? > Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that > want. Judging from your comments, these products and their effects don't seem to be agreeing with you either... > >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > > I am a health care professional and that product is the only one [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That has never been an issue. You keep straying off the subject and > keep repeating the same off-topic nonsense. You wouldn't know that because you are not responsible for caring for anyone that would need to buy it off the shelf from a local store. Not all insurance provide the food and people buy it themselves and submit the bills. These patients are taken care of at home not in a hospital. > I have seen the elderly and sick given this junk over and over again > as a form of meal replacement. However only recently I had a chance [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are nothing more than a donut in a can, and they only worsen many > of the chronic illnesses the targeted population is suffering from. Look at the ingredient of an IV glucose solution moron. Glucose is sweet and it is a basic sugar necessary for life. It is incredible how stupid your knoweldge of medicine or even basic physiology is. How much does an IV raise the glucose level? Those people are in negative balance with depleted glycogen stores and you are worried about giving them donuts. Next thing you will be worried about is their cholesterol. > > Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving > > fruit juices to infants anymore? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > these recommendations decades ago as part of my research on > simple sugars and their effect on chronic diseases. Simple sugars taste good don't they? Or does broccoli taste better? > > Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you > > don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste. > > No, the issue is that IT IS possible to provide liquified meals that > are both nutritious AND palatable, and these products in question > provide the exact opposite. All you do is talk. Talk is cheap. Try to put those liquified meals into a feed tube and you can't do it. You don't know what you are talking about. You have never done it. All you know how to do is talk. Some people are care givers and must do the work and then you have idiots like yourself who simply talk. > > > Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state." > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The real reason is because it would make a healthy person sick! With sugar like that it might. A normal person does not need a large concentrated load of carbs. To make it less concentrated and less sweet the person would have to drink a gallon of it and that is not likely in someone who can not swallow. You wouldn't know that. > So if it makes a healthy person sick, why is it given to the elderly > and sick to supposedly make, or keep them healthy? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that > > want. I can't believe such a stupid moronic statement in my life. Give insulin to a person who has a normal sugar level and you can kill him. Give insulin to a diabetic and you can save his life. Give any medication to a person who does not need it and you can end his life. Give potassium to a normal person and kill him while a potassium IV is given to one who is deficient in K. Give a concentrated food product to someone who doesn't need it and you have excess calories and carbs. Give it to someone who has depleted food stores and save his life. Your comments are just stupid and ignorant and this coming from a person in medical research? I don't buy it. > Judging from your comments, these products and their effects > don't seem to be agreeing with you either... I have tried them and they don't bother me as far as taste. I only use the vanilla flavor as the strawberry taste too sweet for me. The chocolate flavor might irritate the stomach and I have switched those flavors in some tube feeders. >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > Look at the ingredient of an IV glucose solution moron. Don't really have to. There is enough entertainment picturing you with IV lines in one hand, and a can of Ensure in the other, looking for a victim. First you were rambling on about tube feeding, now you're into glucose by IV... I'd get that ADD checked out, since you keep forever wandering off the original topic. Ditching that beloved goo of yours would be a step in the right direction. No use wasting any more bandwidth. > >"Robert" <RobertJ@hotmail.com> wrote > > Look at the ingredient of an IV glucose solution moron. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > off the original topic. Ditching that beloved goo of yours would be > a step in the right direction. No use wasting any more bandwidth. Tell you what. Why don't you get a real job and work for a living. Get off your high tower and get a real job. You have no useful information to partake on anybody. Gee, it tastes too sweet because of the sugar and sugar is bad for you. Take a class in logic then we can talk. Glucose is an essential sugar and carbs are essential. The fact that you can not relate the GI intake of sugar and the IV placement of sugar doesn't surprise me. The fact that you don't know how to separate someone starving physiologically from someone that needs to diet doesn't surprise me either. Don't forget to bitch again when the new flavor comes out. |
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