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Interleukin-2 induced T-cell apoptosis and taurine prevention in a cell line

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Alf Christophersen - 04 Feb 2005 17:37 GMT
See:

Clin Exp Immunol. 2005 Feb;139(2):279-86. Related Articles, Links  

 
Taurine attenuates CD3/interleukin-2-induced T cell apoptosis in an in
vitro model of activation-induced cell death (AICD).

Maher SG, Condron CE, Bouchier-Hayes DJ, Toomey DM.

Department of Surgery, Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, Education
and Research Centre, Beaumont Hospital, Dublin, Ireland.
montygram - 04 Feb 2005 21:56 GMT
I'm just curious about why you are posting this information on this
newsgroup.  Do you think most people who read it will understand the
possible dietary connections?  Why not tell us what point you are
trying to make here?  Taurine has anti-stressor properties, and you are
on the right track, but if you don't explain your point, few will even
read this, let alone understand it.  Why not tell people when they
should eat foods high in taurine, for example?  Or do you think taurine
supplementation is indicated in certain cases?  Interestingly, this
kind of study is supportive on what I've posted on this NG about
so-called "AIDS" - at least the idea that the harmless HIV virus does
something that nobody can detect, that somehow kills people in one of
30 different ways (all of which are independent illnessess in their own
right) an indeterminate amount of time later (which the "experts" tell
us has changed dramatically since the early days, even though there is
absolutely no reason why, according to their way of explaining it all),
in a way that is inconsistent with everything know about viruses up to
this point in history, and for no apparent reason.  It's all about
stress.  When your cells are stressed, certain substances are secreted
or metabolized.  These substances can be very dangerous, which is why
there is so much focus on chronic inflammation these days.  There was
an entire Charlie Rose show devoted to it, in fact.
MikeV - 05 Feb 2005 02:04 GMT
This scientist probably thought that this group might be populated
with people interested in the MEDical SCIence of Nutrition, rather
than in the fantasies of self aggrandizing twits.
Mr-Natural-Health - 10 Feb 2005 02:02 GMT
> This scientist probably thought that this group might be populated
> with people interested in the MEDical SCIence of Nutrition, rather
> than in the fantasies of self aggrandizing twits.

This self aggrandizing twit, got the job done.  But, you did NOT. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.
John Que - 05 Feb 2005 20:57 GMT
Alf has been posting here long before you started.

Get a clue monty.

<monty's stuff snipped>
Mr-Natural-Health - 05 Feb 2005 21:20 GMT
> I'm just curious about why you are posting this information on this
> newsgroup.  Do you think most people who read it will understand the
> possible dietary connections?  Why not tell us what point you are
> trying to make here?

This is the point that you were making and I agree completely.

I am, also, well aware of Alf's long time interest in taurine.

To be perfectly clear, a little commentary on top as to why we should
be reading your post would be highly recommended even in a science ng.

See: http://naturalhealthperspective.com/blog/
for examples.
mattlb@angelfire.com - 07 Feb 2005 18:01 GMT
>> I'm just curious about why you are posting this information on this
>> newsgroup.  Do you think most people who read it will understand the
>> possible dietary connections?  Why not tell us what point you are
>> trying to make here?

>This is the point that you were making and I agree completely.

>I am, also, well aware of Alf's long time interest in taurine.

>To be perfectly clear, a little commentary on top as to why we should
>be reading your post would be highly recommended even in a science ng.

Ha, wouldn't you just know that montygram and John The Man would
eventually find they're kindred spirits.

MattLB
Mr-Natural-Health - 07 Feb 2005 21:57 GMT
> Ha, wouldn't you just know that montygram and John The Man would
> eventually find they're kindred spirits.

Now, if only the 'Unnecessary Duplicant' would figure out that he is
unnecessary. :(
Alf Christophersen - 10 Feb 2005 01:07 GMT
>I'm just curious about why you are posting this information on this
>newsgroup.  Do you think most people who read it will understand the
>possible dietary connections?  Why not tell us what point you are
>trying to make here?  Taurine has anti-stressor properties, and you are
>on the right track, but if you don't explain your point, few will even
>read this, let alone understand it.  Why not tell people when they

Fish, shellfish, offals,especiallyfrom wild,non-domesticated animals
and chicken legs are the prime sources of taurine in western diet. So
eat more of those ingredients.

On Crete, we do not know exactly what is the prime source, but earlier
publications has mentioned that Cretes do range no 2 worldwide in
whole blood content of taurine, Japanese population eating sushi and
drinking some special tonics hich in taurine ranging no 1. The same
populations has the lowest rates of heart diseases.

It might be that high intake of wild animals like rabbits may be the
source of taurine on Crete.
Alf Christophersen - 10 Feb 2005 01:16 GMT
>supplementation is indicated in certain cases?  Interestingly, this
>kind of study is supportive on what I've posted on this NG about
>so-called "AIDS" - at least the idea that the harmless HIV virus does
>something that nobody can detect, that somehow kills people in one of

The effect on HIV is possible, but indirectly.

GSH status is reported to be very important in protection of cells
against virus and bacterial reproduction/immunological fighting. More
obvious maybe in tuberculosis prevention.

The other report I sent a pointer to shows how an exchange from 60%
starch in diet to 60% fructose in diet induced insuline resistance in
rats, while addition of taurine completely abolish the effect of
fructose. In the same time, it also turns out that presence of taurine
in diet also abolish decreases in antioxidant system markers like free
GSH, GSPx activity, C-vitamin activity etc. And taurine given to
controls only receiving starch even increased slightly these markers,
while fructose decreases these significantly for most of them.

The article commented here was just an additional article since
apoptosis of beta-cells and prevention of that by taurine also has
been shown.

My point is that the extremely low intake of taurine in western diet
may be one of the things in diet that increase chances of getting both
diabetes (and since it has also been shown in China that lack of
taurine increase weight gain due to changes in how lipids are
transported etc.) and maybe also being a part of the weight gain
problems in primarily US, but now also in some countries in Europe.
 
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