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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / March 2005HEALTH THREAT!
I am an MD who uses natural treatments (Nutritional Medicine, herbs, etc.) with my patients. But unless we, the health-oriented public, take action now, in a very short time we will no longer have the legal right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use, buy, sell, reccomend or manufacture any natural substance at any but ultra low doses (and only 18supplements TOTAL will be allowed even at those sub-therapeutic doses). This is not an urban legend: this is reality. It has already happened in virtual silence in the countries I mentioned above: we are next. But you can avert this health disaster now. Please visit my blog at http://naturalsolution.blogspot.com/ with information on how to find out more and what actions you can take NOW. Later will be just too late. Yours, Rima E. Laibow, MD PS: Please feel free to contact me directly for more information on this serious threat to your health and mine. REL > right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in > Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use, > buy, sell, reccomend or manufacture any natural substance at any but > ultra low doses (and only 18supplements TOTAL will be allowed even at > those sub-therapeutic doses). This is only partly true. Codex Alimentarius IS law in europe, but it does not make buying vitamins illegal - you can for instance still buy a 100grams package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at the pharmacist. One of these posts said something about vitamin C tablet sizes being restricted to 400mg or less. Can you still buy 1 gram tablets of vitamin C in Europe? > > right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in > > Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at the > pharmacist. > One of these posts said something about vitamin C tablet sizes being > restricted to 400mg or less. Can you still buy 1 gram tablets of vitamin > C > in Europe? I don't know if they have a package where one tablet is exactly one gram. ..but what difference does it make when you take one tablet with one gram or two tablets with 500 (or 400) mg? [I think the post said 100mg or less though, which would be in the area of the daily recommendations] If you need to megadose you can buy Ascorbate in Powder form and take that. Its not illegal in the EU (like the article said), thats the thing I criticized. First, the facts. 1. Yes, it is illegal in the EU, Canada and Australia to purchase any but the 18 nutrients at ultra-low doses that I mentioned. The law has been passed. The law, called CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, will be phased in in stages starting this summer so that each of its provisions will take effect according to that time-table. Thus, it is still possible to get supplments (and they are generally pretty low dose already in Europe over the countrer) BUT as the CA regulations are phased in they will become more and more restricted until, within 2-3 years they will be completely unavailable. 2. If you have to purchase low dose nutrients and take lots of them to get a higher dose effect you will be paying a LOT more money for the same amount of active ingredient, taking lots more fillers, binders and non-beneficial materials and swallowing more than most people's stomach's want to hold. So if you want to take a gram of Vitamin C, for example, you would need to take 5 tabs of 200 mg (the max allowable dose) each time you want that gram. 3. If you are taking Vitamin C at the reccomended dose, for example, to deal with swelling, pain or the approach of an infection, you might need not 1 gram but 10. So you would need 50, not 5, tabs of ultra-low dose vitamin C. 4. And we are not talking about Vitamin C here: we are talking about ALL nutrients. Only 18 will be allowed. The rest will be forbidden, just as heroine is forbidden. Rima E. Laibow, MD > So if you want to take a gram of Vitamin C, >for example, you would need to take 5 tabs of 200 mg (the max >allowable dose) each time you want that gram. I live in Canada and I buy Vitamin C in 500 mg tablets. I used to buy 1000 mg tabs. I'll check to see if those are still available. rr You wrote "I live in Canada and I buy Vitamin C in 500 mg tablets. I used to buy 1000 mg tabs. I'll check to see if those are still available. " The point is not whether they are available now. The point is that they will not be available once CODEX begins to be phased in. Check with your local MP to find out when he/or she has slated you for this loss of health freedom. Let us know what the answer is. It will be instructive for those of us to the South here in the US. Dr. Laibow > First, the facts. 1. Yes, it is illegal in the EU, Canada and > Australia to purchase any but the 18 nutrients at ultra-low doses that > I mentioned. The law has been passed. This is not true. Sorry. I DO LIVE in europe and I DO buy 100gram Vitamin C in the pharmacy (in ANY pharmacy) without any problems whatsoever. Price is nothing spectacular either. replace my "europe" with "the EU" to be more precise >replace my "europe" with "the EU" to be more precise No need. The same here in Norway. Somebody is lying about us, in order to spread false rumours to scare US people. (Could it be Al Quaida??Or nazi groups that control the Al Quaida (in august 2001 newspapers here mentioned that Nazi groups and right wing extreme christian groups was observed training Al Quaida) Alf, No one is trying to lie. CODEX passed in the EU Parliament in November. Veteranary restrictions are already taking place. Human dietary restrictions will start to make natural vitamins, minerals and herbs illegal later this year, around June. The restrictions will be phased in over the next 2-3 years. I have no interest in lying about your situation. This is not an urban legend, my friend. This is a real health peril given that we live in a toxic world and nutrients are our only defense against the effects of that toxicity. Dr. Laibow >Alf, >No one is trying to lie. CODEX passed in the EU Parliament in >November. Veteranary restrictions are already taking place. Human Codex alimentarius has been around for many years. It is nothing new. The only new thing is that also vitamin pills are now included in order to make it sure for the buyer that the pills you buy has some documented effects. Too many pilltraders has been around selling expensive hearsay products that do just one thing,saying plonk in the toilet when the intact pill comes out again. You could equally sell concrete pills and claim they cure whatever disease you want. Latest phone seller was about 10 minutes ago trying to sell me nonfunctional rose root pills. And Codex has been here for long time (as you or some other stated, Norwegian rules has been accepted by EU so beware) No, it isn't that bad as you say. But in countries where it has been totally free to sell anything, either nonfunctional as rose root,or deadly poisons like CN- under cover as laetrile, the buyer will get some prevention against the worst speculants and snake oil resellers. As I understand it, you are fighting for the snake oil resellers rights to poison people under cover natural health remedies. (I'm glad you are not allowed to sell functioning natural health preparates like digitalis preparats, atropine etc.) My concern would be to ensure that the snake oil really comes from snakes, and let people have an informed opportunity to choose. > >Alf, > >No one is trying to lie. CODEX passed in the EU Parliament in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > glad you are not allowed to sell functioning natural health preparates > like digitalis preparats, atropine etc.) >My concern would be to ensure that the snake oil really comes from snakes, >and let people have an informed opportunity to choose. The problem is that people need medical knowledge to make an informed opportunity to choice. They don't have unless they are doctors or nurses. Information about medicine etc. was until quite recentlly restricted information. The big blue book about medicines was only allowed doctors to read. I remember I had studied biochemistry for a long period before I was allowed to loan a copy (because I needed some information about MAO-inhibitors and alike) Medical eduction has never been a topic in school, so when people suddenly get lots of newspapers about health and nutrition, printed by the sellers of health preparates, most people do believe everything printed there, while people trained in medicine are almost crying about all the misunderstandings and misinterpretations of medical research that is printed there in order to make snake oil sell. And when the pills are analyzed for contents, the results are deprimating. Some pills do not at all contain the stuff proclaimed to be main principle (some times very fortunate, like red kidney bean protease inhibitors slimming pills that ad that the pill will prevent degradation of 10% of the energy intake (proteins) and let them pass untouched through stomach (not telling the truth that the energy will be degraded totally by bacteria and would produce lots of gas, making you fart almost continually, or at worst, puncture the intestines and pour out intestine content into lumen, giving you a hell of problem) (the case with cows eating poisonous plants ooozing with the same inhibitors, the inhibitors making people not used to eat bean soup etc. fart as hell, (beans beans the musical fruit, the more you eat, the more you toot) One of the aims of Codex is to have strict rules about producing, control of content etc. This opens up a whole new field of "medical advisers" Why has this profession not flourished to date? Unbiased, notrhing to gain medical advise for a knowledgable person that doesn't spend all day dishing out anti-biotics and ASA. Somebody to follow you through the operating room (like a lawyer in court or divorce) and make sure things are done as requested by your educated decision. > >My concern would be to ensure that the snake oil really comes from snakes, > >and let people have an informed opportunity to choose. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > One of the aims of Codex is to have strict rules about producing, > control of content etc. > >My concern would be to ensure that the snake oil really comes from snakes, > >and let people have an informed opportunity to choose. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > period before I was allowed to loan a copy (because I needed some > information about MAO-inhibitors and alike) It has been like that here since the 1960's here in the States. Before that the Docs often didn't tell the patients what they were taking. It was trust me "I am Doc God". > Medical eduction has never been a topic in school, so when people > suddenly get lots of newspapers about health and nutrition, printed by > the sellers of health preparates, most people do believe everything > printed there, while people trained in medicine are almost crying > about all the misunderstandings and misinterpretations of medical > research that is printed there in order to make snake oil sell. I see misunderstanding in the medical research and the medical journals. I often wonder if the medical experts ever had a statistics class. > And when the pills are analyzed for contents, the results are > deprimating. Some pills do not at all contain the stuff proclaimed to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > One of the aims of Codex is to have strict rules about producing, > control of content etc. Big Daddy government that mutters under it breath that the peasants are too simple to feed themselves. And some are too simple. The prescription fat blockers are also quite a mess (literally) and they were passed the US FDA regulators. So it seems government and the Doctors and the prescription drug companies are also too simple to be trusted. Yes, I am afraid that it is true. The EU adopted the CODEX ALIMENTARIUS regulations last November. The European Supplements Directive (which is even more restrictive than CODEX, by the way) has been challenged in the European Justice system by Dr. Verkerk of the UK (final arguments presented January 25, ruling from 13 judge banque due in June) but the phase in of CODEX restrictions and regulations will begin this summer in the EU. I have just been informed that CODEX restrictions have led to the removal of about 1500 natural products and supplements from the shelves in Australia. I have not had corroboration on that so right now it is unsubstantiated. However, it IS what you can expect in the EU and Canada (and the US if we are unwise enought to allow CODEX to become law here. About Vitamin C, please remember that 100 mg is a very low dose. If we had not lost the ability to manufacture our own Vitamin C (as most of the animal wolrd does), we would, under conditions of no stress, produce about 1500 mg of Vitamin C per day. Under condtions of stress, be they psychological, microbial, toxic or any other sort, we need considerably more. So being able to purchase 1/15 of the minimal dose we need for baseline well-being is not very comforting. By the way, you probably mean 100 mg (1/10 gram), not 100 grams for oral dosage. 100 grams of Vitamin C by mouth would cause severe diarrhea. However, IV administration of that much is quite effective in many conditions and very well tolerated. Also, please remember that Vitamin C is but one of many, many vital nutrients which will be unavailable at therapeutic doses under CODEX. I hope that you are working vigorously for repeal of this dreadful set of regulations where you live. Dr. Laibow Vitamin C will be restricted to the sub-therapeutic dose of 200 mg, not 400. You will need to take 5 tablets to get 1000 mg of Vitamin C. Remember, the problem is that every nutrient will be impacted. Vitamin C will still be allowed at these ineffective doses. The vast majority of nutients will not even be legal at all, even with a physicians's prescription. And CA has not yet gone into effect. The first phase is due to take effect this summer. Dr. Laibow The issue is NOT just vitamin C, folks. Vitamin C is an example. The issue is that only 18 nutrients will be available in ulta-low doses. The rest will be unavailable/illegal (like cocaine is unavailable/illegal). That is what CODEX is bringing us. Vitamin C may still be available in 1 gram tabs in Europe but CODEX ALIMENTARIUS has not phased in yet. When it has, Vitamin C and all other (permitted) nutritionals will be available only at ultra low doses and all others will be illegal. I know it is a hard concept to wrap your mind around but that is the law and, unless we make sure it does not happen, it will be here shortly. Yours in health and freedom, Rima E. Laibow, MD Even if we could manage to take our preferred dosages, I am concerned with the idea that only 18 nutrients would be available. Now of course, I have no idea of the proper number of supplements that are useful or might be determined to be useful in the future. I do however think that even now my multivitamin approaches 18 different nutrients. I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day. > I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day. I don't know if you have any special conditions that cause an increased need for vitamins, but with a healthy balanced diet you don't _need_ even one multivitamin tablet a day.. Bullshit. Shove that balanced, healthy eating crap in your ear. It doesn't work or most of us would live to be 200 years old. > > I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day. > > I don't know if you have any special conditions that cause an increased need > for vitamins, but with a healthy balanced diet you don't _need_ even one > multivitamin tablet a day.. What I wrote was that only ultra low doses of these 18 vitamins are available. 100 mg of Vitamin C IS an ultra low dose. The unstressed, non-toxic human being would, if it had not lost the ability to manufacture Vitamin C somewhere in its evolutionary history, it is estimated by Biochemists, make approximately 1500 mg (15 times the 100 mg dose currently available in the EU)on a daily basis. However, under physical, emotional or toxicological stress, that need goes up, sometimes 10 to 20 fold or more. However, the most significant problem with the information you shared is that CODEX is the law in Europe but its regulations are due to phase in this summer. That sub-therapeutic dose is available now BEFORE CA takes effect! bE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID. Dr. Laibow > > right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in > > Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at the > pharmacist. 100 grams of Vitamin C is a sub-therapeutic dose. Only 18 nutrients will be permitted. ALL others will be illegal. If I, as a physician, tell you, as my patient, that you need 12 grams of Vitamin C, 25 mg of zinc, 2000 mg of L-Carnitine, 800 IU of Vitamin E, 1300 mg of Evening Primrose Oil and 500 mg of Vitamin B6 and half of those are unavailable/illegal and the other half require you to take a total of 75 pills a day (at a horribly inflated cost) is your health freedom in tact? Let's try this again: CODEX ALIMENTARIUS makes natural health choices unavailable. We must not let it pass here in the US. When does this become effective in Canada? The health professionals have never noticed. > 100 grams of Vitamin C is a sub-therapeutic dose. Only 18 nutrients > will be permitted. ALL others will be illegal. If I, as a physician, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Let's try this again: CODEX ALIMENTARIUS makes natural health choices > unavailable. We must not let it pass here in the US. >When does this become effective in Canada? The health professionals have >never noticed. Well, I live in Ontario and I have a bottle of 500 mg/tablet Vitamin C in my cupboard right now. My wife, who does the shopping, says she still sees the 1000 mg/tablet bottles on the shelves of the Pharmacies. rr |
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