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MusicGroove2000 - 30 Dec 2004 22:20 GMT
 While channel surfing I recently came across yet another infomercial by
ex-con (check forgery, I believe) Kevin Trudeau (he began his tv infomerical
career selling a memory system). The new infomercial deals with his new book
about cures which the government (he's had run-ins with the US Government's
Food and Drug Administration) is supposedly keeping from the American people.

 Normally I wouldn't give Trudeau two seconds of my time but in his new
infomerical he mentioned something which intrigues me and which I've heard
alleged by others: namely, that US food growers and manufacturers are adding
(knowingly, I assume) substances in their products which themselves may largely
account for the upsurge in serious obesity in the USA. Unfortunately, in the
infomercial Trudeau doesn't specify what these substances are, but they're
supposedly enough to make those who consume foods which contain them become
"addicted" to the foods.

 Is anyone here familiar with this allegation? Believe it? If so, what ARE
these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?
Phil Scott - 31 Dec 2004 10:46 GMT
>   While channel surfing I recently came across yet another infomercial by
> ex-con (check forgery, I believe) Kevin Trudeau (he began his tv infomerical
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
> foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?

  It seems that in many cases a person becomes adicted to
whatever he or she eats...especially if it requires the body
to adapt to handle it...like sugar or salt or coffee or super
refined carbohydrates.

Once the body has adapted...it now craves the food.

The cigarette companies have been doing this knowingly for a
long time.. its no secret.   The food companies would be doing
this by accident in most cases...just because a person adapts
to the food, then subsequently craves it... and maybe they do
it on purpose in spots.. the fast food people have done some
things the grease they fry things in to make the food taste
better... and different... that would create cravings it
seems.

Its probably not sinister to any great degree... but it is no
doubt the cause of much obesity and health issues in the US.

Phil Scott
ChuckMSRD - 31 Dec 2004 14:55 GMT
>alleged by others: namely, that US food growers and manufacturers are adding
>(knowingly, I assume) substances in their products which themselves may
>largely
>account for the upsurge in serious obesity in the USA

Does he then try to sell you something? Bingo! You found your answer
Phil Scott - 01 Jan 2005 00:25 GMT
> >alleged by others: namely, that US food growers and manufacturers are adding
> >(knowingly, I assume) substances in their products which themselves may
> >largely
> >account for the upsurge in serious obesity in the USA
>
> Does he then try to sell you something? Bingo! You found your answer

   No chuckie... everyone that  sells you something is not a
bad person...
markd@toad-net.com - 31 Dec 2004 15:12 GMT
Yes they are, extra salt, fat, sugar, all things humans tend to crave.  A
report today shows correlation between fast food consumption and rate of
metabolic syndrom, which has all three as a major part of the foods.

>  While channel surfing I recently came across yet another infomercial by
>ex-con (check forgery, I believe) Kevin Trudeau (he began his tv infomerical
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
>foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?
Cubit - 31 Dec 2004 15:38 GMT
I don't believe your infomercial scammer knows what they are, but my bet is
that industry has carefully identified ingredients that increase consumption
of their food products.  I imagine McDonalds has quite a program.   It may
help explain the 50 or 100 ingredients that typify "frankenfoods."

>   While channel surfing I recently came across yet another infomercial by
> ex-con (check forgery, I believe) Kevin Trudeau (he began his tv infomerical
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
> foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?
ironjustice@aol.com - 01 Jan 2005 02:17 GMT
Iron Fortification in the Americas

Nutrition Reviews 1 July 2002, vol. 60, no. Supplement 1, pp. 22-25(4)

Hertrampf E.

Abstract:
Food fortification is an important complement to food-based approaches
to satisfy the nutritional needs of people in developing as well as
developed countries. The Pan American Health Organization identified
iron fortification of foods as one of the strategies for the control of
iron deficiency in the Americas. Currently, iron fortification of foods
is widely implemented in Central and South America. Wheat and maize,
which are staple foods in the region, are considered vehicles for
universal fortification. The addition of micronutrients to wheat flour
was first introduced in the United States in the 1940s. In Latin
America, Chile started with the fortification of wheat flour in the
early 1950s. During the 1960s, legislation regarding the addition of
iron and B vitamins similar to U.S. levels was proposed in a number of
Latin American countries; as a consequence some millers began to
fortify on a voluntary basis. Since the 1990s, however, all countries
in the region, except Argentina and Uruguay, introduced mandatory wheat
flour fortification. Gradually wheat flour fortification has been
implemented in the majority of Central America, South America, and the
Caribbean countries. Venezuela started a national fortification program
using precooked maize flour. Active efforts are under way to overcome
the technical limitations of fortifying nixtamalized (i.e., added)
maize flours commonly consumed in Mexico and Central America. Corn
flour has potent inhibitors of iron absorption, mainly phytic acid
(~550 mg/100 g), and the nixtamalization process adds calcium as a
carryover after boiling the corn with quicklime-calcium hydroxide.
There are also national and regional intervention programs, with high
coverage of the population, that include delivery of targeted
iron-fortified foods such as infant complementary foods, milk-based
fortified drinks, cereal-based fortified drinks, and biscuits, among
others. The majority of these programs are still aimed at preventing
malnutrition in vulnerable groups; nevertheless, all of them include
fortification with a vitamin-mineral premix that contains iron. In
addition, commercially iron-fortified processed foods are available in
the region. In this article, the main features of current iron
fortification practices in Latin America will be revisited.
Document Type: Research article ISSN: 0029-6643

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Tom
Larry Hoover - 01 Jan 2005 22:59 GMT
>  Is anyone here familiar with this allegation? Believe it? If so, what ARE
> these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
> foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?

Well, I know of some manipulations in food processing that might have such an
effect. They're not unique to the United States, however.

For example, there are peptide sequences in the milk protein casein, that if
properly isolated with selective digestion of the protein structure, yield shorter
peptides which have binding affinity at opioid receptors. One such casein-derived
protein is beta-casomorphin. There are others, as well. And similar peptides can be
derived from grain proteins such as gluten.

The link is no longer active, but I did have a full-text link to a Journal of Food
Technology paper which demonstrated methods for optimizing yield of opiate-active
peptides from raw milk *prior* to processing into cheese. Before that, it was an
incidental outcome of some fermentation processes.

This is a legal strategy, this maximization of  endorphin analogs, because the
substances aren't added. So, feeling a craving for "processed cheese food", or
whatever the euphemism is these days for that orange stuff sold in supermarkets, may
well be more than a craving. It may be an addiction.

Lar
Jon von Leipzig - 03 Jan 2005 22:11 GMT
>   While channel surfing I recently came across yet another infomercial by
> ex-con (check forgery, I believe) Kevin Trudeau (he began his tv infomerical
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> these substances which supposedly are making US food be avoided by people in
> foreign countries? Growth hormones? Chemicals? What?

It's no secret. They're putting MSG in everything, often under different
names. Even spraying crops with it. Enjoy
 ---------------------------------------------

Proof MSG Causes Obesity In Experimental Studies
http://www.spofamerica.com/.
5-29-4

The data is in and it is staggering: Scientists have been using the
common food additive Monosodium Glutamate to create fat rats and mice to
experiment on.
<snip>

John Erb, author of the book The Slow Poisoning of America believes that
MSG is the food industry's equivalent to Nicotine. "Studies have shown
that people who eat food laced with MSG eat more of it, and faster than
food that does not have this additive.

<snip>

"When ingested by human test subjects MSG directly affects the Pancreas
stimulating it to triple its standard output of insulin output. This
unnatural amount of insulin finds the sugar in the blood and converts it
to fat.

==============================================

What's Wrong with  Spraying Processed Free
Glutamic Acid (MSG) on Growing Crops?

http://www.msgfacts.net/msgsprayed-3.htm
wanginator95 - 03 Jan 2005 23:38 GMT
Yes, all of them. GMO, you name it, all in the name of profit.

The sad thing is, people don't do anything to stop these companies
because Americans don't care about their health and are victims of
their own ignorance.

Try to tell someone about natural remedies and living healthy, then
people will fight you. People WANT to be sick, fat, and addicted to
fatty foods. I see it ALL THE TIME.

The point is, people are too stupid to realize they are eating junk. It
took a year for me to realize this, but people are idiots and it
doesn't surprise me when someone gets a disease. And I don't feel sorry
for them.

I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but enough is enough!
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Jan 2005 01:23 GMT
You have noticed .. Argentina is NOW .. supplementing iron in their
foods ..

Eh ..

A few bombs .. and big guns .. and .. voila ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
markd@toad-net.com - 04 Jan 2005 00:35 GMT
"You have noticed .. Argentina is NOW .. supplementing iron in their
foods ..

Eh ..

A few bombs .. and big guns .. and .. voila ..
"

Low iron is the world's number one nutrition problem, especially in those
areas where the diet is heavly vegatarian as a result of poverty or
cultural practice.  It causes a multitude of problems especially in
children and women.  Are you suggesting eating the bombs and guns for
their iron content to help the problem?
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Jan 2005 16:55 GMT
No what I .. AM .. saying is .. you would have made a great Tuskeegee
.. participant ..

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Tom
markd@toad-net.com - 04 Jan 2005 18:35 GMT
"No what I .. AM .. saying is .. you would have made a great Tuskeegee
.. participant .."

A fine school with a long honorable tradition, it isn't mine however.  
The unfortunate experiments that were done are in some other nearby
countries ongoing natural experiments, with predictable outcomes.  
Intresting too is that particular disease and low iron can both cause hair
loss, hmm.
Cubit - 20 Jan 2005 15:54 GMT
I think he was referring to the experiment where Blacks were denied
treatment for syphilis, as a medical experiment.

> "No what I .. AM .. saying is .. you would have made a great Tuskeegee
> .. participant .."
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Intresting too is that particular disease and low iron can both cause hair
> loss, hmm.
Alf Christophersen - 09 Feb 2005 23:27 GMT
>Low iron is the world's number one nutrition problem, especially in those
>areas where the diet is heavly vegatarian as a result of poverty or

Eh. Ironjustice believes that even picograms of iron indiet will kill
you. (We all die, ironjustice thinks it is because diet is not 100.0%
free of iron)
ironjustice@aol.com - 10 Feb 2005 10:35 GMT
You've been around long enough to know WHAT .. I .. am saying ..

So you are either .. stupid .. or .. attempting to make like I say
things which I haven't .. said ..

So either way .. you shouldn't BE .. here ..

This is a medical ng ..

M-E-D-I-C-A-L

Understand .. ?

Now .. fo .. somewhere .. wherever stupid people .. go ..

Or wherever the .. likes .. of people like you .. go ..

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Tom
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Alf Christophersen - 10 Feb 2005 16:23 GMT
>You've been around long enough to know WHAT .. I .. am saying ..

So why do you pretend to say that everyone who has any kind of illness
has gotten too much iron, when more than 90% of world population has
health problems because iron deficiency?
ironjustice@aol.com - 11 Feb 2005 15:37 GMT
More than 90% of the world has health problems because of iron
deficiency ..?

Jeez .. that's .. a .. lot .. of .. people ..

That would mean over 90% of the world is .. malnourished .. on the
point of .. starving ..

That is very bad ..

That should be .. addressed ..

Hunger should be .. addressed ..

Don't you think .. hunger should be .. addressed .. ?

Starvation should be .. addressed ..

Iron .. deficiency .. DOES NOT EXIST .. in .. a .. nourished .. society
..

Simple ..

You and a few of your co-horts .. BELIEVE .. it .. exists .. IN .. fed
.. societies ..

But .. you are wrong ..

So .. you can throw .. numbers .. all you want ..

BUT .. there is no iron 'deficiency' .. IN .. a nourished .. society ..

Markers USED to ASSESS iron 'deficiency' .. are set TOO HIGH ..
therefore leaving .. healthy people .. DIAGNOSED as .. iron ..
deficient .. when in fact they are .. healthy .. with ENOUGH iron on ..
board ..

I suppose THAT .. may be evidenced by the rather large study USING
those .. markers .. WHICH doctors have ALWAYS used to assess iron
'deficiency' in .. women .. NOW used in .. MEN .. to study
cardiovascular .. response .. ?

It seems the marker used to assess iron 'deficiency' IN .. women .. has
been shown to be VERY GOOD for .. cardiovascular .. health ..

Contrary to .. 'bad' .. it seems to be .. 'good' ..

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Tom
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Man Is A Herbivore!
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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Jan 2005 16:53 GMT
Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:18
London Evening Standard  www.thisislondon.com
NEW HEALTH ROW OVER EXTRAS ADDED TO CEREALS
A major debate over the safety of breakfast cereals was ignited today
after a health scare over added ingredients.

It came following a ban on sales by Kellogg's in Denmark of a string of
bestselling products - including Rice Krispies, Cornflakes and Special
K - amid concern over the quantity of added vitamins and minerals.

Danish food watchdogs say the products contain so much vitamin B6, B12,
folic acid, iron and calcium that consumers could "overdose".
Who loves ya.
Tom
Alf Christophersen - 09 Feb 2005 23:27 GMT
>Danish food watchdogs say the products contain so much vitamin B6, B12,
>folic acid, iron and calcium that consumers could "overdose".

The average of iron in diet in Denmark is far above that in Argentina,
so you are using arguments on overdosing as argument against giving
iron to people where almost all (except those being billionaires who
buy all there food elsewhere) has iron deficiency anemia.

Shame on you.

Or do you really think that even an average of less than 1 mg iron
daily is iron overdosing? Giving you haemochromatosis problems?
Seems like that.
ironjustice@aol.com - 11 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT
Iron supplementation .. willy-nilly .. has been shown to be .. bad ..

J Nutr. 2002 Nov;132(11):3249-55. Related Articles, Links

Iron supplementation affects growth and morbidity of breast-fed
infants: results of a randomized trial in Sweden and Honduras.

Dewey KG, Domellof M, Cohen RJ, Landa Rivera L, Hernell O, Lonnerdal B.

Department of Nutrition and Program in International Nutrition,
University of California, Davis, USA. kgdewey@ucdavis.edu

Iron supplements are often prescribed during infancy but their benefits
and risks have not been well documented. We examined whether iron
supplements affect growth or morbidity of breast-fed infants. Full-term
infants in Sweden (n = 101) and Honduras (n = 131) were randomly
assigned to three groups at 4 mo of age: 1) placebo from 4 to 9 mo; 2)
placebo from 4 to 6 mo and iron supplements [1 mg/(kg. d)] from 6 to 9
mo; or 3) iron supplements from 4 to 9 mo. All infants were exclusively
or nearly exclusively breast-fed to 6 mo and continued to be breast-fed
to at least 9 mo. Growth was measured monthly and morbidity data were
collected every 2 wk. Among the Swedish infants, gains in length and
head circumference were significantly lower in those who received iron
than in those given placebo from 4 to 9 mo. The same effect on length
was seen in Honduras, but only at 4-6 mo among those with initial
hemoglobin (Hb) > or =110 g/L. There was no significant main effect of
iron supplementation on morbidity, nor any significant interaction
between iron supplementation and site, but for diarrhea (with both
sites combined), there was an interaction between iron supplementation
and initial Hb. Among infants with Hb < 110 g/L at 4 mo, diarrhea was
less common among those given iron than in those given placebo from 4-9
mo, whereas the opposite was true among those with Hb > or = 110 g/L (P
< 0.05). We conclude that routine iron supplementation of breast-fed
infants may benefit those with low Hb but may present risks for those
with normal Hb.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12421836 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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tom h - 27 Nov 2005 19:44 GMT
http://tinyurl.com/a6zt6

Allergies, Autism Linked To Excess Dietary Iron

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markd@toad-net.com - 04 Jan 2005 18:40 GMT
Gosh, are you saying that adding vitamins causes addictions that induce
people to have to eat those foods, how shameful and thanks for bringing
this to our attention.

>Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:18
>London Evening Standard =B7 www.thisislondon.com
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Who loves ya.
>Tom
markd@toad-net.com - 20 Jan 2005 15:41 GMT
Yes, I know and my response was to that end, it contained references which
are familiar to him as I yanked his chain a bit.

>I think he was referring to the experiment where Blacks were denied
>treatment for syphilis, as a medical experiment.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> Intresting too is that particular disease and low iron can both cause hair
>> loss, hmm.
 
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