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Aging - A Vitamin Deficient Disease

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stone - 06 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT
Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels. You can take megadoses of C and
E. Too much C just causes diarhea as your system flushes out the excess. You
could use this as a natural laxative to keep the colon clean. Large doses of
C have very good health effects: stronger heart, slowing down aging, more
collagin for firmer skin, less colesterol build up on veins, higher immune
system to fight disease, natural antihistimine to prevent running nose,
megadosing on C is a strong viruscide to kill viruses. I don't know if very
large doses of E are toxic, however I do know that large doses can be taken
regularly and it only helps you. However, it does increase the male sex
drive subsantially, it is the virility vitamin. I don't know if there is a
limit on taking E. I have been taking 3200 iu of E per day for years and it
didn't hurt me. I use it to slow down aging which it does very well. C is
water soluble, E is soluble in oil; putting antiaging vitamins in the watery
and oil parts of my body. I post under the name antiaging; I am 52 years old
and I have a body like a man in his early 20s. I look about 17 on my
driver's licensce photo. Never had crows feet wrinkles around the eyes. I
started megadosing on vitamins to fight aging in 1973. I could be the best
in the world at fighting aging at this time. It looked like I was actually
getting younger over the past 8 years, But I take huge doses of vitamins and
calcium to accomplish this. [A, C, E, calcium, stresstabs containing the B
complex vitamins and a high protein diet to slow down aging.] Also some
selenium, bioflavinoids, magnesium, zinc, generally anything that boosts the
immune system will fight aging. I believe the immune system can be boosted
so high that it will actually heal aging and cause a person to slowly and
gradually get younger. I have seen sagging around the chin and under the
eyes go away and my nose seemed to turn up more; my hair is slowly growing
back. Young people move fast and think fast. I practice martial arts and
this has greatly increased my speed of thinking, moving and flexibility.

Herbs

Main immune boosting herb is echinacea. Gotu Kola causes more blood to flow
to the brain and has been proven to increase the Intelligence Quoteint IQ of
test subjects. Eyebrite causes more blood flow to the eyes and regulates
fluid pressure in the eyes preventing age related eye problems; it makes you
see more clearly too. You should also try to get about 8 hours sleep per
day, because human growth harmone needed for cell division is mostly
produced when you sleep. Immune system is highest during sleep. Lots of
water should be drunk before bed. Caffeine helps to clean the products of
cell funcion out of the blood faster by increasing kidney funcion. [The
vitamins clean the cells faster and the caffeine cleans the cell wastes out
of the blood faster. Clean cells do not slow down the rate of the cell
divisions, so you don't get old.] [Aging is caused by background radiation
acting on oxidation products in the cells and changing them to free
radicals. Free radical damage causes cell divisions to slow down; this
causes aging. Antioxidant vitamins, megadoses, can clean the oxidation
products out of the cell so fast that the cell divisions don't slow down,
and hence, no aging.] Do you understand what I am trying to say?

These are results of over 31 years of my personal research, my own body
being the ginny pig for testing on.

Read the book of Genesis in the Bible. Methuselah was supposed to have lived
969 years. Noah was 500 years old before he started building the ark. I
suspect they may have been processing vitamins out of foods, something that
modern science only rediscovered in the last 150 years; megadosing on
vitamins only started around 1969 with Linus Pauling.
Succorso - 06 Dec 2004 12:53 GMT
... I post under the name antiaging; I am 52 years old
> and I have a body like a man in his early 20s. I look about 17 on my
> driver's licensce photo....

and you spell like a 5 year old.
Pete - 06 Dec 2004 21:45 GMT
> and you spell like a 5 year old.

and you have the emotional maturity of a 13 year old boy
stone - 07 Dec 2004 03:03 GMT
Succorso wrote in message ...
>... I post under the name antiaging; I am 52 years old
>> and I have a body like a man in his early 20s. I look about 17 on my
>> driver's licensce photo....
>
>and you spell like a 5 year old.

I corrected the spelling in alt.religion.christian.baptist under the title
of "trying to prove genesis ages true". I also added more to it.

Here is a response I made to one of the objections I got:

. People that had those short life spans from
premature aging are people that had bad nutrition and were overworked,
without enough sleep, so there bodies wore down, did not regenerate properly
and they aged fast. Robert Ripley, of Ripley's believe it or not fame, is an
example of this. Overwork, bad nutrition, caused him to have the body of an
85 year old man when he was still in his 40s, and he died in his 40s.
Look at that post by Chris, above. Ancient writings from China showed people
to have normal life spans, (around 70 years or so) as far back as 5000 years
ago.
I have also seen this uninformed error put out by the American Medical
association on TV that life spans were only 33 aroung the time of the
Romans. This is bunk. There error seems to come from a false premise, that
since the life span in America, in the 1800s was only around 43 and the
lifespan now is around 73, that lifespans have been gradually increasing
with the advancing of society with time. So if you follow this false
assumption back into the past, then the life span must have been shorter.
This is false.
People in America in the 1800s had bad nutrition in the cities, and they
were doing 60 hour work weeks, and they aged fast because of this. The labor
laws to protect them from forced overtime were not there yet. Because food
is stored in the cities for weeks, in super markets, the vitamin content
goes down by the time the people eat it.
Life span is longer now because of vitamin enriched foods, and vitamin
supplements and a 40 hour work week. In ancient China the food was freshed
killed meat, and freshly caught fish, and fresh vegetables right from the
fields; these types of food are loaded with vitamins, so people lived
longer. There is a recorded story of a guy in England, around the 1400
hundreds or so, that lived over 150 years. He was a former and got his food
fresh from the field, and had fresh meat from hunting, loaded with vitamins.
He said he ate oatmeal in the morning, bread in the afternoon and meat and
potatos at night. The king heard about how old he was and took him to live
in London. When he started eating the kings food, he died within a few short
months. This is recorded in English history.
Aging for men even 3000 years ago, would be slower if the food was fresh
from the fields and fresh killed meat which is loaded with vitamins. Moses,
Jacob, Abraham all lived well over a hundred. There is a farming community
in Russia right now where people regularly live over a hundred and it has
been that way for a long long time. Women in their 80s work the fields
there. Aging depends on how you treat your body. How much nutrition and how
much sleep you get.
FREDWELFARE - 20 Dec 2004 04:22 GMT
Cause of aging is the loss of telomerase on chromosomes.  Proper nutrition is
probably necessary to prevent this, but specific organs can lose telomerase
also instead of uniform loss in all cells.  Probably a certain sequence of
mutations leads to this loss; aging occurs a different rates in each organ.
Undoubtedly, stress complicates the problem due to release of deleterious
hormones.

FredW
Cubit - 31 Dec 2004 19:14 GMT
I believe the loss of telomeres is normal.  Stopping the loss with
telomerase may lead to cancers due to the cell's immortality.

> Cause of aging is the loss of telomerase on chromosomes.  Proper nutrition is
> probably necessary to prevent this, but specific organs can lose telomerase
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>
> FredW
Cubit - 06 Dec 2004 18:26 GMT
An inspiring post, even if it lacks some credibility.

> Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels. You can take megadoses of C and
> E. Too much C just causes diarhea as your system flushes out the excess. You
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> modern science only rediscovered in the last 150 years; megadosing on
> vitamins only started around 1969 with Linus Pauling.

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TC - 20 Dec 2004 18:49 GMT
> Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels.

Only when consumed in pills.

These vitamins when consumed as real foods like fish liver or cow liver
can be consumed in higher levels without such toxicity.

TC
Doug Freese - 21 Dec 2004 17:19 GMT
>> Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels.
>
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> liver
> can be consumed in higher levels without such toxicity.

Hmmm yummy. Do you sprinkle the contents of your vacuum cleaner bag to
leech out the toxic "stuff" the liver collects.  I would trust a pill
long before organ meat.

-DF
TC - 21 Dec 2004 18:58 GMT
> >> Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels.
> >
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> Hmmm yummy. Do you sprinkle the contents of your vacuum cleaner bag to
> leech out the toxic "stuff" the liver collects.  I would trust a pill

> long before organ meat.
>
> -DF

http://www.nutritiondata.com

Beef Liver

"This food is low in Sodium. It is also a good source of Iron and Zinc,
and a very good source of Protein, Vitamin A, Riboflavin, Niacin,
Vitamin B6, Folate, Vitamin B12, Pantothenic Acid, Phosphorus, Copper
and Selenium."

Loads of nutrition in beef liver and it tastes pretty darned good in
the hands of an excellent cook such as myself.

Cod liver oil capsules are easily purchased almost anywhere and deliver
excellent vitamin a and d without any toxicity issues.

TC
nospam@pacbell.net - 22 Dec 2004 03:26 GMT
>> >> Vitamins A and D are toxic at high levels.
>> >
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>
>TC

I eat chicken liver which has the same benefits as beef liver.  I feel a little
safer because chickens don't live very long and have less time to accumulate
toxins in their liver.  Furthermore I really like chicken livers.  

We used to have beef liver on our table pretty often when I was a child and
while my mother was a good cook and it generally turned out pretty good, that
was not always the case.  Maybe the beef was sometimes too old.

Ora
Doug Freese - 22 Dec 2004 13:43 GMT
> http://www.nutritiondata.com
>
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> Loads of nutrition in beef liver and it tastes pretty darned good in
> the hands of an excellent cook such as myself.

I agree completely with the value of the contents and I was many years
ago a big fan of calves liver. OTOH, since the liver is a glorified
filter we have no idea what else is trapped in the layers. And knowing
that commercial farms feed their animals some unscrupulous "stuff" to
make them grow rapidly, I'm not eating that filter. It's a risk that I
choose not to take.

-DF
 
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