"In the Northwestern study, more than 4,000 people from the

United States, Great Britain, Japan, and China

wrote in a food diary everything they had eaten during two 24-hour periods."

Well, was not it Ancel Keys that found out that if you choose your countries
carefuly, you can prove anything?

Mirek

If one wanted to test examples of high fat/protein compared to the e. asia
diet which isn't high in those things, would not china and japan be
excellent places to get data for the latter and the us and britian for the
former?  If you wanted to test that question which countries would you
pick?

Ok even you should be able to comprehend how ridiculous this study is.
4 countries out of how many on earth? 4000 people out of how many
billion?  Comparing 2 Asian diets with the two worst western diets?
Yeah lets pick two of the worst diets that are high in BAD fats(TRANS,
PUFAs) AND bad carbs and pick 2 somewhat healthier diets that happen
to be lower in fat(ignore the healthy diets that are higher in fat so
as not to skew our desired results) and high in good carbs and then we
can say carbs are better! Oh my god come on man.  What the f.ck is
wrong with you.  No real scientist who wanted to find out any kind of
truth would design something so absurd unless they were totally
incompetent.  The absurdly biased approach is totally in your face.
They had the conclusion in mind long before they even started and all
they did was design the study and pick the people they used in a way
that would best come to the results they wanted from the start.
Anyone could do something like this and come to any f.cking conclusion
they wanted.  This is infinitely worse than even the 7 countries
study.  How about comparing US and Briton with two poor African
countries with rampant starvation and we can come to a similar
conclusion and say that "people on a calorie restricted diet were the
thinnest and people on a high fat or high protein diet were the most
obese".  This thing is a total waste of time and money and it is 100%
irrelevant and you are really showing what a joke you are by posting
this as if it is somehow real science.  It is a good example of why
REAL research that is designed to find REAL answers is not done.
Instead targeted studies with preconceived and pre designed outcomes
like this are done. Only someone as narrow minded and biased as you
would even give this garbage a second look or take it seriously.  I
thought you at least pretended to be intelligent and thoughtful but
you sure as hell did not even try this time.  This is pathetic even
for you.

This is a news report of a news conference on a study.

Where is it published? Was it peer reviewed? Why a news conference?
Isn't science supposed to be published and peer reviewed before it
becomes science? What declarations do the authors have regarding
conficts of interest?

This belongs in the Enquirer, not in this ng.

TC

What about it  and it's food traditions would address the question as the
original 4 do not? As the question related to two categories of food
tradition, where is the one with wich to compare spain and into which does
spain fall?

It was a news conference regarding papers presented at the AHA yearly
convention this year.  Info presented as such often is progress reports of
research and ends up in published reports.  He who creates standards and
eschews science has now revealed his "journal" of reference and modified
the standards once again.

First of all they find that thin people eat more carbs. Then they
*conclude* that if you were to eat a higher carb diet you'd get
thinner!

Illogical, unscientific, silly. For example, thin folk are less well
insulated and lose more body heat, hence consuming more calories. For
example, some thin folk eat a lot simply because they've got a
forgiving metabolism and *can* eat a lot. I used to be one of
those. And some thin people eat a lot because they move around a lot,
e.g. hill shepherds. Everyone who walks around hills a lot is thin,
and they also have to eat a lot. Recall seeing any fat Afghan hill
farmers?

No wonder so many folk are so fat if they take dietary advice from
this kind of "expert".

This acknowledges that there is a need to get rid of junk food, and these
are the same foods that so-called low carb diets get rid of.  The carbs that
they recommend are the ones that low carb diets recommend, and in some
cases, allow back in your diet without limitation.

The problem is that they are comparing three groups of people, but only
dividing them into two groups.  You really need to consider how the people
in each of the individual diets compare to people with high carb diets as a
whole in the same country, as well as people with low carb diets who are not
on the same regimen.