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Canadian government to ban trans fats

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Elmer - 20 Nov 2004 00:13 GMT
?Canadian government and opposition parties unite to declare war on
trans fats

Canadian Press    Friday, November 19, 2004
OTTAWA (CP) - In a rare moment of consensus, the government and
opposition parties have united to declare war on trans fats.

Canada will become the second country in the world, after Denmark, to
seek a virtual ban on trans fats from its national menu.

Denmark has set a goal of reducing trans fats to no more than two per
cent of food content but Bennett said Canada's goal will be adapted to
its food supply.

The government will create a task force including experts from the food
industry, academia and advocacy groups to recommend strategies for
reducing trans fats in food, Carolyn Bennett, secretary of state for
public health, announced Thursday.

She noted that canola oil, an important Canadian product, contains three
per cent trans fats. It's highly unlikely that any party would want to
damage the canola industry. ?                

  This last statements puzzles me because I have always been told that
these oils have no trans fats unless they have been hydrogenated (see:
www.bantransfats.com/fatsinoils.htm)

  Such legislation is a step up from simply requiring products to list
the trans fat content in small print!

Elmer
tcomeau - 22 Nov 2004 14:55 GMT
> ³Canadian government and opposition parties unite to declare war on
> trans fats
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>
> Elmer

Canola is a highly processed fat/oil. And it is extracted from a plant
that is highly genetically modified. 30 years ago, the canola plant
did not exist. It does not surprise me that it contains trans fats.

I've stopped using canola oil and have substituted olive oil (extra
virgin of course) and fresh butter for all my cooking needs.

I think this legislation is the only approach that makes sense since
any trans fat in the diet is a negative.

And the only reason that this legislation stands a chance of passing
is because Canada has a multiple party system and it has resulted in a
minority government. That means that the govt has fewer seat in
Parliament than all the other parties combined, which means that they
have to govern in a cooperative fashion, as opposed to the extreme
confrontational and divided politics in the US.

TC
Chris Malcolm - 23 Nov 2004 16:34 GMT
> I've stopped using canola oil and have substituted olive oil (extra
> virgin of course) and fresh butter for all my cooking needs.

> I think this legislation is the only approach that makes sense since
> any trans fat in the diet is a negative.

Except the trans fats in butter?

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Ron - 23 Nov 2004 20:12 GMT
> > ³Canadian government and opposition parties unite to declare war on
> > trans fats
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> that is highly genetically modified. 30 years ago, the canola plant
> did not exist. It does not surprise me that it contains trans fats.

Bullshit! "Canola" is simply rape seed that has been selectively bred
for several generations to increase yield. It is and always has been a
member of the mustard plant family.


> I've stopped using canola oil and have substituted olive oil (extra
> virgin of course) and fresh butter for all my cooking needs.

To what end? Heating of *any* oil results in trans fats. The
temperatures vary somewhat but the end result is the same.


> I think this legislation is the only approach that makes sense since
> any trans fat in the diet is a negative.

Then purchase Omega Nutrition oils. You will see on the label that
they clearly warn not for "cooking, baking or frying." The temperature
to which each oil can safely be heated and consumed is also on the
label.


> And the only reason that this legislation stands a chance of passing
> is because Canada has a multiple party system and it has resulted in a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> TC
Dunne E. Dawe - 24 Nov 2004 05:05 GMT
>> ³Canadian government and opposition parties unite to declare war on
>> trans fats
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Canola is a highly processed fat/oil.

Nope, it's rapeseed oil. It's been refined from the seed.

> And it is extracted from a plant
>that is highly genetically modified.

Nope, it has had the erucic acid expression bred out of it. This was
toxic. I think the yield has been increased as well.

>30 years ago, the canola plant
>did not exist.

Neither did all plants bred in the last 30 years. So what?

>It does not surprise me that it contains trans fats.

Lots of things contain trans fats. It is a "natural" substance.

>I've stopped using canola oil and have substituted olive oil (extra
>virgin of course) and fresh butter for all my cooking needs.

Why? They are totally unnecessary empty calories.
Best to do without them.

>I think this legislation is the only approach that makes sense since
>any trans fat in the diet is a negative.

So is erucic acid. We have evolved to tolerate a small,
naturally-occuring amount of trans fats.
Alf Christophersen - 30 Jan 2005 17:05 GMT
>Nope, it has had the erucic acid expression bred out of it. This was
>toxic. I think the yield has been increased as well.

More correct, it was thought to be toxic since rat hearts couldn't
break it down. Peroxisomes of rodents do not rapidly enough induce the
enzymes needed to break down the fatty acid.

But later it turned out to be a specific rodent problem :-) Of very
little interest to humans. (Otherwise China should now be desolated,
no one living there, because theoretically, everyone should have died
of heart attacks using daily erucic oil high-content rape seed oils
for food production.
(Stay away from stir-fried China food if erucic oil concerns you!)
Hugh - 07 Feb 2005 10:43 GMT
>>Nope, it has had the erucic acid expression bred out of it. This was
>>toxic. I think the yield has been increased as well.

>More correct, it was thought to be toxic since rat hearts couldn't
>break it down. Peroxisomes of rodents do not rapidly enough induce the
>enzymes needed to break down the fatty acid.

>But later it turned out to be a specific rodent problem :-) Of very
>little interest to humans.

Yes, rats fed on a diet containing 10-20 percent rapeseed oil (~40
percent erucic acid) do develop heart lesions and organ damage, this
effect has been seen in several studies. The same thing happens in pigs
as well, which is why there are now strict limits on erucic acid
content in vegetable oils for human consumption. Unlike most muscle
tissue, heart muscle relies exclusively on fatty acids as its energy
source, and erucic acid seems to block the enzymes needed to metabolise
them.

-Hugh
Alf Christophersen - 10 Feb 2005 00:19 GMT
>Yes, rats fed on a diet containing 10-20 percent rapeseed oil (~40
>percent erucic acid) do develop heart lesions and organ damage, this
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>source, and erucic acid seems to block the enzymes needed to metabolise
>them.

I have been working with collegues that worked in that area several
years ago, and they say sorry, that was an erroneous conclusion when
it concern humans. When checking humans, it turned out that the
peroxisomes was able to cope with it after a few days. But that effect
is specific, to humans.

Otherwise most Chinese people would have died in very young age,
almost all of them since their rape seed oil used in kitchen contain
huge amounts of erucic acids. And still does. But even then, most
people don't develope the side effects you mention. But rodents do.

(Back in 1975 I thought about working with that problem, having slides
of rat and hears with these fat deposits.)

But anyway, development of different brands of LEAR oils minimize that
problem anyway. Canola oil seeds is just one of the breeds, here in
Scandinavia other breeds are used for oil production.
Hugh - 11 Feb 2005 10:25 GMT
>>Yes, rats fed on a diet containing 10-20 percent rapeseed oil (~40
>>percent erucic acid) do develop heart lesions and organ damage, this
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>peroxisomes was able to cope with it after a few days. But that effect
>is specific, to humans.

So, scientists did clinical trials on people after finding that it
caused heart and liver damage in laboratory animals? Seems unlikely,
but then, considering how much profit could be made by convincing
people to eat what is basically an industrial oil, maybe that is what
happened.

>Otherwise most Chinese people would have died in very young age,
>almost all of them since their rape seed oil used in kitchen contain
>huge amounts of erucic acids.

Following that logic, the traditional diet of the Chamorro people of
Guam must be safe to eat as well. The problems they suffered with
Parkinsons disease, ALS and dementia must have had nothing to do with
chronic exposure to the phytotoxins in the food they were eating after
all.

The point is that a lot of traditional foods are quite toxic, and
probably do cause long-term health problems for those eating them. If
rapeseed oil causes heart and organ damage in rats and pigs, then it's
a fair bet that it does the same in humans, irrespective of whether
it's used in chinese cooking or not. In any case, the chinese eat such
a wide variety of foodstuffs (anything from cats and dogs to nests made
from bird spit), that rapeseed oil is unlikely to have aver been their
main source of dietary fat.

As the saying goes, "the dose makes the poison". The Chamorro people
only started becoming ill in great numbers after they acquired guns,
which allowed them to hunt fruit bats (a local delicacy) far more
effectively than before. The fruit bats had absorbed and concentrated a
poison from the seeds of the cycad tree, which was their main food
source. The Chamorroans also used the seeds to make flour, but this
isn't though to have given them enough of the poison to make them ill.
It is only when they began hunting the fruit bats with guns that their
intake of the poison became great enough to produce illness.

Canola and other vegetable oils have been so heavily promoted as
"healthy" and are so widely used in processed foods, that people are
consuming them in far larger quantities than ever before. I've also
heard that there are other very long-chain fatty acids found in
vegetable oils that can inhibit the same enzymes affected by erucic
acid.

If you look at the epidemiology of the heart disease epidemic in
Western countries, coronary heart disease as a cause of death was
extremely rare when people had butter and lard as their main source of
dietary fat. Then, late in the 19th century, industrialisation was
applied to agriculture and it became possible to manufacture vegetable
oils very cheaply. It was found that by adding hydrogen to vegetable
oil, it could be converted into a solid - margarine - that could be
used as a cheap substitute for butter. Vegetable oil consumption
soared, and soon after, doctors noticed increasing numbers of their
patients dying from heart attacks. As vegetable oil consumption
continued to increase, so did the incidence of heart disease and within
the space of a few decades, CHD went from a rare condition to being the
commonest cause of death in Westernised countries.

To be fair, there were other changes in diet and lifestyle occurring at
the same time which probably contributed to the heart disease epidemic,
but the fact remains that it has occurred at the very time that
vegetable oil consumption is at its highest.

-Hugh
Alf Christophersen - 11 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
>So, scientists did clinical trials on people after finding that it
>caused heart and liver damage in laboratory animals? Seems unlikely,
>but then, considering how much profit could be made by convincing
>people to eat what is basically an industrial oil, maybe that is what
>happened.

No need to make any kind of experiment.

Chinese people use daily unrefined rape seed oil for woking.
Alf Christophersen - 11 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
>it's used in chinese cooking or not. In any case, the chinese eat such
>a wide variety of foodstuffs (anything from cats and dogs to nests made
>from bird spit), that rapeseed oil is unlikely to have aver been their
>main source of dietary fat.

Woking is one of the prime way of preparing food, so using unrefined
rape seed oil for that make rape seed oil a primary source of fat.

And it has been used so for long times.
Alf Christophersen - 11 Feb 2005 23:01 GMT
>If you look at the epidemiology of the heart disease epidemic in
>Western countries, coronary heart disease as a cause of death was
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>the space of a few decades, CHD went from a rare condition to being the
>commonest cause of death in Westernised countries.

If this concerns you, you should use an oil low in omega-6 fat, about
equal in omega-3 fat, lot of monounsaturated fats and low in saturated
fats.
And stay away from fats that are high in transfats (since btw. others,
transfat inhibit incorporation of PUFA into inositolphospholipids.

I find only one oil that really fits.

You will of course on behalf of all olive oil producers proclaim it
must be olive oil,but sorry, LEAR oils are better in respect of PUFA
content :-)
John Que - 12 Feb 2005 10:10 GMT
> >If you look at the epidemiology of the heart disease epidemic in
> >Western countries, coronary heart disease as a cause of death was
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> must be olive oil,but sorry, LEAR oils are better in respect of PUFA
> content :-)

When I heat oils above boiling temp, I use stable oils such as coconut or
palm oils.
But then again, this is a rather minor dietary component for me.
Olive oil I use in homemade salad dressing.
And I get sizable amounts of PUFA from raw nuts plus
some more from wild fish.
 
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