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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / December 2004The Smallpox Hoax
http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy. You can start here or just look at the quotes where you can easily see vaccination was the main reason for the spread of smallpox, along with every other infectious disease (not forgetting the effect of putting toxic pus into the body), and even introduced leprosy into Hawaii. Just from the statistics dissected by the likes of Tebb and Wallace you can see it not only failed but was the main cause of smallpox. Then you can see the main factors behind the disease were all down to poverty---poor water, sanitation (here the remarkable town of Leicester proved conclusively that vaccination was a fallacy and dangerous), diet, bedbugs, and overcrowding. Also non-allopathic medicine and sanitation were perfectly capable of curing and dealing with smallpox. Secondly you can see how the allopaths have hyped the dangers of smallpox to make vaccination look better and to frighten the population when it suits them--either to sell more vaccines or playing their part in the War on Terrorism Hoax. The remarkable thing about this hoax is that anyone believes it.] In sci.med.nutrition john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote: > http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html > [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy. Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an orthodox doctor uses a homeopathic procedure it automatically becomes allopathic, and vice versa?  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] *In sci.med.nutrition john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote: *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html * *> [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy. * *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to homeopathy," and homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can allegedly cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy also involves diluting the substance until there is no measurable quantity left. Now, vaccination on the other hand has nothing to do with using substances which provoke symptoms in a healthy person to cure disease in an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic?? SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx > *In sci.med.nutrition john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote: > *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." Big difference between water and mercury, for starters. You can get homeopathic nosodes, I think they are called, which seem to act in preventing diseases, but all old school homeopaths, Classical ones, do not use them, and are scorneful of them. In sci.med.nutrition Hillary Israeli <hillary@hillary.net> wrote: > *In sci.med.nutrition john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote: > *> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html > * > *> [This props up vaccination which is the main pillar of allopathy. > * > *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an > Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your > definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no > active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic?? Because it's based on the two principles of similars and very small doses. Recall that smallpox was once vaccinated against by using the similar cowpox, not the same, but similar, hence the very name "vaccination". The basic idea of homeopathy, as you say, is to cure diseases by giving very small amounts of something which produces the same symptoms. The rationale is to stimulate the body's own defences by this intervention. Vaccination is not quite as simple as that, because it prevents rather than cures, but before the germ theory of disease was formulated vaccination was performed by homeopaths as a homeopathic preventive medicine and its success was pointed to as validating homeopathic principles. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] *> *Vaccination is by definition homeopathic. Or do you think that if an * *> Huh? Vaccination is not "by definition homeopathic." What is your *> definition of homeopathic, anyway? I say it means "of or pertaining to *> homeopathy," and homeopathy is a therapeutic system of medicine that is *> based on the principle of similars- like cures like - which means that a *> substance that can cause certain symptoms in a healthy person can *> allegedly cure similar symptoms in an unhealthy person. Homeopathy also *> involves diluting the substance until there is no measurable quantity *> left. Now, vaccination on the other hand has nothing to do with using *> substances which provoke symptoms in a healthy person to cure disease in *> an unhealthy person, nor does it involve diluting the substance until no *> active ingredient can be physically detected. So how is it homeopathic?? * *Because it's based on the two principles of similars and very small *doses. Recall that smallpox was once vaccinated against by using the *similar cowpox, not the same, but similar, hence the very name *"vaccination". * *The basic idea of homeopathy, as you say, is to cure diseases by *giving very small amounts of something which produces the same *symptoms. The rationale is to stimulate the body's own defences by *this intervention. Vaccination is not quite as simple as that, because *it prevents rather than cures, but before the germ theory of disease *was formulated vaccination was performed by homeopaths as a homeopathic *preventive medicine and its success was pointed to as validating *homeopathic principles. Well, I'm not quite buying it, but even if I were to concede that in the case of vaccinia vaccination this is true, it doesn't count for today's vaccines. There's nothing in, say, the HDCV rabies shot which produces the same symptoms as rabies, for example. And there's nothing in a killed vaccine which produces the same symptoms as the disease either (except for those nonspecific signs of immunological response such as fever/malaise due to high levels of interleukin production, which IMO doesn't count because almost anything can cause that). -h. SignatureHillary Israeli, VMD Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." --Groucho Marx >In sci.med.nutrition john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote: >> http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >orthodox doctor uses a homeopathic procedure it automatically becomes >allopathic, and vice versa? I thought homeopathic meant you dilute something past its actual existence and still get some "memory" from the solvent, that cures the disease? Vaccination is nothing like this. It is a challenge to the immune system by a sublethal dose of a live organism, or by the killed organism. |
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