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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / November 2004

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Re: Yet, another failure of the peer review process!

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markd@toad-net.com - 19 Nov 2004 17:32 GMT
The peer review process and that of science are two different things.  
Peer review is minimal as to running the statistics and a detailed look at
data etc. but looks to see that the research contains such information so
as to be able to do so if other folk wish; which leads and feeds into the
scientific process of balancing results from an entire field of research
and coming in time to a concensus.  The article and it's contents are
about the latter and the mixed range of opinions suggests that this kind
of research will continue to iron out conflicting conclusions and likely
prompt continuing research to address the conflict areas.  For anyone who
has spent some time in the process of science, this flap over vit e is par
for the course, rather it be some question in cosmology or the
implications of shell conformation in some species of snail; all the
sparring in the article; and that in others which are likely to answer, is
par for the course.  This post is a good reflection of someone's knowledge
of how science works, but who doesn't really care about science and seeks
to use it as grist for some agenda mill; which in part is to spam for a
blog it seems.

>Yet, another failure of the peer review process to prevent frivolous
>studies from being published.
>
>Here, is the latest health blog news story.
>
>http://blog.naturalhealthperspective.com/
>
>Article is extensively hyperlinked to documents written by PhDs and
>MDs.
N-H-P - 20 Nov 2004 09:52 GMT
> Peer review is minimal as to running the statistics and a detailed look at
> data etc. but looks to see that the research contains such information so
> as to be able to do so if other folk wish; which leads and feeds into the
> scientific process of balancing results from an entire field of research
> and coming in time to a concensus.

First of all, I am not talking about a detailed looked at the data but
rather a quick eyeballing of the data.  If a casual reader of the data
was able to run it quickly through a couple of different statistical
analyses, then surely a research journal should have done the same.

I, myself, could design a general purpose spreadsheet in Excel to do
the same.  So, why not the research journal?  You could even
automatically tie it into fancy graphics.

> The article and it's contents are
> about the latter and the mixed range of opinions suggests that this kind
> of research will continue to iron out conflicting conclusions and likely
> prompt continuing research to address the conflict areas.  

Mixed range of results?  That depends only on whether you choose to
look at reviews done by cover-up artists, such as yourself, or by
those who are critical enough to consider alternate explanations.

> For anyone who
> has spent some time in the process of science, this flap over vit e is par
> for the course,

Yes, the fraud called science is par for the course!

You are trying tell me that this research journal publishes every
research study submitted to it.  And, I am telling you that I am NOT
that stupid!  They should have rejected this study based upon a simple
eyeballing of the data in figure 2.

They could have but choose to go with a headlines grabbing study.

> This post is a good reflection of someone's knowledge
> of how science works, but who doesn't really care about science and seeks
> to use it as grist for some agenda mill; which in part is to spam for a
> blog it seems.

Your reply is a good reflection of someone who is more interested in
covering up obviously fraudulent research than in furthering the cause
of science.

If that Quack research journal can grab headlines with an obviously
incorrect study, then moi with a perfectly valid analysis of that
bogus piece of garbage can too.

You, also, managed to overlook the other headlines like: Quackery was
shown to work!
--
john gohde
http://blog.naturalhealthperspective.com/
markd@toad-net.com - 20 Nov 2004 14:24 GMT
"If that Quack research journal can grab headlines with an obviously
incorrect study, then moi with a perfectly valid analysis of that
bogus piece of garbage can too."

Thanks for being honest and for confirming your level of knowledge of the
world of research, by which we can leave this topic.
N-H-P - 20 Nov 2004 17:52 GMT
> This post is a good reflection of someone's knowledge
> of how science works, but who doesn't really care about science and seeks
> to use it as grist for some agenda mill; which in part is to spam for a
> blog it seems.

Thanks for being honest and for confirming your biases in the
world of ngs, by which we can only begin to scratch the
surface of your agenda mill.

It is a health blog, if it is all the same to you. :)

'The Toad' promotes his agenda mill by replying to posts.  I
promote my agenda by creating new threads.  See, 'Toad,'
we already share too much in common.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
john gohde
http://blog.naturalhealthperspective.com/
 
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