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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / November 2004How to eat more and weigh less, research
This research looked at sources of food by weight and what combination leads to what weight status: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/ps-twl111704.php > This research looked at sources of food by weight and what combination > leads to what weight status: > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/ps-twl111704.php They are basically agreeing that it's ultimately caloric intake, but by choosing the right kinds of food, there's no need to count calories. There are other popular diets with the same philosophy. There is also the famous Montignac diet: separate sugars from fats and if possible eat as less sugar as possible. Viviane http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/vivien.htm Songs: On Healing http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo The Ear - this one is of the very important role of nutrition: http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo The Good Time - this one is about rest, getting good time, habits... http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo > This research looked at sources of food by weight and what combination > leads to what weight status: > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/ps-twl111704.php Site WAY too wordy and complicated. Just tell me what I'm supposed to eat, as a daily diet. You may eat whatever you like, as long as you separate the fats from sugar. For instance, if you eat potatoes or white bread (which contain enough well sugar) you may add vegetables and meager meat, but no fat sauces or fat cheese or whatever fats. What you can do is eat the fat (for instance some cheese) at a distance of a couple of hours from the sugars. If you eat fats, for instance, some fat cheese then eat it without bread or other sugars. Usually there is no sugar in cheese, but check always the labels, it must be mentioned. So, meals are composed whether of protein and glucides whether of protein and fats. It is the mix of sugars and fats that increase weight. The explication Montignac gives is fats are not stored if there is no insulin in the blood and there is no insulin in the blood if there is no sugar in the blood.. If you don't have to lose weight but simply strive at keeping your weight as is, then what you can do is observe the Monitgnac rules for one meal per day. Another golden rule of Montignac's diet is to drink at a distance of meals. Thanks to this one I came myself through some health problems, so I still observe it. The separation of sugars and fats I observe at least for one meal a day. I do it because this way I can put sugar in my drinks - which I drink always at a distance of at least one hour of meals. Check out my songs, The Ear is about nutrition. I wrote it for myself but also to try to tell how important nutrition can be. For me nutrition was the true medicine. Viviane http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/vivien.htm Songs: On Healing http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo The Ear - this one is of the very important role of nutrition: http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo The Good Time - this one is about rest, getting good time, habits... http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo > Site WAY too wordy and complicated. Just tell me what I'm supposed to eat, as a > daily diet. "The explication Montignac gives is fats are not stored if there is no insulin in the blood and there is no insulin in the blood if there is no sugar in the blood." There is always insulin and glucose in the blood at all times, both are required for cells to use energy, without which we would die. The "mixed" food theory has no foundation in the least. Total calorie intake determines weight status, if we consume more then is used we store energy as stored tissue for later use,ie. fat. I should have specified white sugars - a lot of insuline come in the blood when these are consumed. Non processed sugars keep glycemy low, and therefore are to be preferred over white. Vivian ---------------- http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/vivien.htm Songs: On Healing http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo The Ear - this one is of the very important role of nutrition: http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo The Good Time - this one is about rest, getting good time, habits... http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo > "The explication Montignac gives is fats are not stored if there is no > insulin in the blood and there is no insulin in the blood if there is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > determines weight status, if we consume more then is used we store energy > as stored tissue for later use,ie. fat. >I should have specified white sugars - a lot of insuline come in the blood >when these are consumed. And beef steak. >Non processed sugars keep glycemy low, and therefore are to be preferred over >white. Doesn't matter where the sugars (or starches) come from, a sugar is a sugar. >Vivian >---------------- [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> determines weight status, if we consume more then is used we store energy >> as stored tissue for later use,ie. fat. In 2000, I developed a condition, involving severe weight loss, which my doctors could not "cure." I did my own research, including brushing up on my biochemistry, and I realized that those claiming that oxidative stress is the key to "disease" had overwhelming evidence on their side. I stopped my vegan diet of 14 years (soy, nuts, seeds, legumes, whole grains) and started eating much more fat (in the form of coconut oil, butter, dark chocolate, raw goat milk), but avoiding unsaturated fatty acids as much as possible. I also started eating fruit as my my carb source. That was in February, 2001. I got back to close to my orginal weight (still a few pounds less), but my blood tests were better, particularly TGs and blood glucose. I always eat highly saturated fat and fruit together, and I've never felt so satisfied after eating. I can go many hours between meals, and I never feel hungry at night. I recently had MRA and there was no indication of atherosclerotic changes whatsoever, which is due to oxidative stress, not saturated fatty acids. I word of caution: avoid animal fats from meat. Lard, for example, is about 60% unsaturated, and with little antioxidant protection. Very dangerous stuff. > You may eat whatever you like, as long as you separate the fats > from sugar. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Site WAY too wordy and complicated. Just tell me what I'm supposed to eat, as a > > daily diet. <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Very interesting. <br>Somewhat comparable to what I did; it was a change in diet that got me back to health. <br>And since then when I need to put on weight I mix sugars and fats <br>and when I need to put off weight I separate sugars and fats. <br>For you as well as for me nutrition has been the true medicine. <br>I am convinced a lot of people would be able to treat a lot of health troubles <br>if they would understand the importance of food. <br> <p>Viviane <br>------- <br><A HREF="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/vivien.htm">http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/ vivien.htm</A> <br>Songs: <br>On Healing <br><A HREF="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo</A> <br>The Ear - this one is of the very important role of nutrition: <br><A HREF="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo</A> <br>The Good Time - this one is about rest, getting good time, habits... <br><A HREF="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo</A> <br> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>In 2000, I developed a condition, involving severe weight loss, which <br>my doctors could not "cure." I did my own research, including <br>brushing up on my biochemistry, and I realized that those claiming <br>that oxidative stress is the key to "disease" had overwhelming <br>evidence on their side. I stopped my vegan diet of 14 years (soy, <br>nuts, seeds, legumes, whole grains) and started eating much more fat <br>(in the form of coconut oil, butter, dark chocolate, raw goat milk), <br>but avoiding unsaturated fatty acids as much as possible. I also <br>started eating fruit as my my carb source. That was in February, <br>2001. I got back to close to my orginal weight (still a few pounds <br>less), but my blood tests were better, particularly TGs and blood <br>glucose. I always eat highly saturated fat and fruit together, and <br>I've never felt so satisfied after eating. I can go many hours <br>between meals, and I never feel hungry at night. I recently had MRA <br>and there was no indication of atherosclerotic changes whatsoever, <br>which is due to oxidative stress, not saturated fatty acids. I word <br>of caution: avoid animal fats from meat. Lard, for example, is about <br>60% unsaturated, and with little antioxidant protection. Very <br>dangerous stuff. <p>Viviane Beullens <Viviane.Beullens@swing.be> wrote in message news:<419DAED2.DF00DE98@swing.be>... <br>> You may eat whatever you like, as long as you separate the fats <br>> from sugar. <br>> <br>> For instance, if you eat potatoes or white bread (which contain enough well sugar) <br>> you may add vegetables and meager meat, but no fat sauces or fat cheese or whatever <br>> fats. <br>> What you can do is eat the fat (for instance some cheese) at a distance of a couple <br>> <br>> of hours from the sugars. <br>> <br>> If you eat fats, for instance, some fat cheese then eat it without bread or <br>> other sugars. Usually there is no sugar in cheese, but check always the labels, it <br>> must be mentioned. <br>> <br>> So, meals are composed whether of protein and glucides whether of protein and fats. <br>> <br>> <br>> It is the mix of sugars and fats that increase weight. <br>> The explication Montignac gives is fats are not stored if there is no <br>> insulin in the blood and there is no insulin in the blood if there is no sugar in <br>> the blood.. <br>> If you don't have to lose weight but simply strive at keeping your weight as is, <br>> then what you can do is observe the Monitgnac rules for one meal per day. <br>> <br>> Another golden rule of Montignac's diet is to drink at a distance of meals. <br>> Thanks to this one I came myself through some health problems, so I still observe <br>> it. <br>> The separation of sugars and fats I observe at least for one meal a day. I do it <br>> because <br>> this way I can put sugar in my drinks - which I drink always at a distance of at <br>> least one <br>> hour of meals. <br>> Check out my songs, The Ear is about nutrition. I wrote it for myself but also to <br>> try to tell <br>> how important nutrition can be. For me nutrition was the true medicine. <br>> <br>> <br>> Viviane <br>> <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/vivien.htm">http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/ vivien.htm</a> <br>> Songs: <br>> On Healing <br>> <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1722174&q=Lo</a> <br>> The Ear - this one is of the very important role of nutrition: <br>> <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1749324&q=Lo</a> <br>> The Good Time - this one is about rest, getting good time, habits... <br>> <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo">http://www.soundcl ick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1678300&q=Lo</a> <br>> <br>> <br>> MilkyWhy wrote: <br>> <br>> > Site WAY too wordy and complicated. Just tell me what I'm supposed to eat, as a <br>> > daily diet.</blockquote> </html And after this recitation by "he who invents standards", which he got from publicly posted information available to all at any time, and with no attempt to obscure the universitie's funding sources, what does this say about the quality of the research and it's results? Taking al look at the list of supporters and apply some speculation for which I have no support other then their name and industry segment, it is apparent that she has research that will wholly piss off some food industry folk and please some others. So now is her research still valid that eating lots of water rich fruits and veggies causes long term weight loss, I leave it to the reader to evaluate the research. >> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/ps-twl111704.php > [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > >TC > This research looked at sources of food by weight and what combination > leads to what weight status: > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-11/ps-twl111704.php Barbara J. Rolls, Ph.D., Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (1992); Professor of Nutrition, Penn State University. Consultant for Knoll Pharmaceuticals and has received research support from, among others, Knoll, P&G, and ILSI. Coauthored (with James O. Hill) a 1998 report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and Weight Management." (phone conversation w/ R. Collins, CSPI, December 6, 2000) (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97)Research on lipid and lipoprotein responses to different diets partially supported by Abbott Laboratories. (Am. J. Clin. Nurt. 2000;70:839-46) Research on age related impairments in the regulation of food intake supported in part by the Campbell Soup Company. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1995;62:923-31) ILSI = INTERNATIONAL LIFE SCIENCES INSTITUTE Founded "in 1978 to work toward a safer, healthier world. ILSI is a worldwide foundation that is making a difference in public health by advancing the understanding of scientific issues related to nutrition, food safety, toxicology, and the environment. ILSI is governed by an Assembly of Members, which includes one representative from each of its more than 400 member companies, and an elected Board of Trustees of renowned scientists from academia and industry, all of whom volunteer their time and expertise. ILSI members represent the world's leading manufacturers of food and food ingredients, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and other consumer products." (http://www.ilsi.org/about/; September 22, 2000) ILSI has branches in about a dozen other countries/regions. ILSI has received funding from the alcoholic beverage industry. (Addiction. 2001;96:197-202) ILSI's fall, 1996, N.Y. Academy of Science conference on fat substitutes was funded in part by Procter & Gamble (Mother Jones, May/June, 1997, p.14). ILSI funders have included: Ajinomoto USA, Anheuser-Busch, ARCO Chemical Co., Dannon, Domino Sugar Corp., Eastman Chemical Co., Kraft Foods, Monsanto, Nabisco, Procter & Gamble, Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co. ("Members of ILSI," received 7/2/96). 1998 ILSI Board of Trustees Dr. G. Harvey Anderson, University of Toronto Dr. James R. Behnke Dr. Roger M. Bektash Dr. Joseph F. Borzelleca, Medical College of Virginia Dr. Fergus Clydesdale, University of Massachusetts, Amherst Dr. G. Coccodrilli, Kraft Foods, Inc. Dr. Oscar Cuper Dr. Peter B. Dews, Harvard Medical School Dr. Victor L. Fugoni III, Kellogg Company Dr. Larry M. Games Dr. Bernard D. Goldstein, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Dr. Yuzo Hayashi, National Institute of Hygienic Sciences, Japan Dr. Marc Horisberger, Nestle Ltd., Switzerland Dr. Shuichi Kimura, Showa Women's University, Japan Dr. Curtis D. Klaassen Dr. Frank N. Kotsonis, Monsanto Company Dr. Louis Lasagna, Tufts University Dr. Gordon Loewengart, Hoechst Celanese Corporation Dr. Alex Malaspina, The Coca-Cola Company Dr. R. Michael McClain, Hoffman-La Roche Inc. Prof. Dr. Ulrich Mohr, Hannover Medical School, Germany Dr. Keiichi Morimoto Dr. Efren Parada-Arias Prof. Marcel Roberfroid, Catholic University of Louvain, Belgium Dr. Hugh A. Sampson, Johns Hopkins University Dr. Barbara O. Schneeman, University of California at Davis Dr. Yukio Sogo, Snow Brand Milk Products Co., Ltd., Japan Dr. James W. Stanley, PepsiCo, Inc. Prof. Dr. Vichai Tanphaichitr, Mahidol University, Thailand Michael R. Taylor, Esq. Mr. Alfred W. Wishart, Jr., The Pittsburgh Foundation Dr. Yasushi Yamamoto, Kirin Brewery Company, Ltd., Japan. Members of ILSI North America: 3M Microbiology Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc. Archer Daniels Midland Company BASF Corporation Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Burger King Corporation Campbell Soup Company Cargill, Incorporated The Coca-Cola Company Corn Products International, Inc. Danisco Cultor America, Inc. E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company General Mills, Inc. Gerber Products Company H.J. Heinz Company Hershey Foods Corporation International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc. Kellogg Company Kraft Foods, Inc. Masterfoods USA McCormick & Company, Inc. McNeil Nutritionals Mead Johnson Nutritionals Monsanto Company National Starch and Chemical Company Nestlé USA, Inc. Novozymes North America, Inc. The NutraSweet Company Nutrinova, Inc. Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc. The Pepsi-Cola Company Pfizer, Inc. The Proctor & Gamble Company Red Bull Roche Vitamins, Inc. Ross Products Division/Abbott Laboratories Sethness Products Company Taco Bell Corporation Takasago International Corporation (USA) Tate & Lyle Unilever Bestfoods NA Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company Wyeth Nutritionals International (http://www.ilsi.org/misc/NAassem.pdf; accessed 6/2/03) ******** This info is always nice to know when you post references to these "studies" and "researchers". TC >This info is always nice to know when you post references to these >"studies" and "researchers". And the intended audience for these studies know full well all of this. Members of the general public will likely become paranoid if they don't keep up with the research on their particular topic. Doing so is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, it is irrelevant because all food sources are reduced to a simple sugar if it is to be a energy source. And as before, insulin and glucose are in the blood at all times as a normal part of making life possible. Non-processed sugar sources have the exact same effect as does table sugar, depending on which food source contains it. On the other hand, whey protein and cocoa are two non-sugar foods which cause significant rises in blood insulin not related to sugar consumption. I think you are refering to the glycemic index and other related research, but this still doesn't rescue the theory that foods should be eaten at different times because of insulin, in fact that research shows that eating all foods at the same time helps to lower the curve of sugar and the insulin response in the blood. >I should have specified white sugars - a lot of insuline come in the blood >when these are consumed. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> determines weight status, if we consume more then is used we store energy >> as stored tissue for later use,ie. fat. |
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