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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / November 2004New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease
...and more carbs = more heart disease. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/5/1175 "Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake is associated with a greater progression." Re: New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/80/5/1175 > "Conclusions: In postmenopausal women with relatively low total fat > intake, a greater saturated fat intake is associated with less > progression of coronary atherosclerosis, whereas carbohydrate intake > is associated with a greater progression." Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Another reason why all these academic studies are all so stupid! postmenopausal women = Over the hill people who are naturally protected from heart disease Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Yeah, ... Right, ... sure! If you want to study a disease, study those who normally don't get the disease. :( relatively low total fat = These people are not eating any fat to begin with!!!! Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Yeah, ... Right, ... sure! If you want to study the effect of fat on your diet, study those who don't eat fat. :( less progression = these abnormal people already are suffering from atherosclerosis Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Yeah, ... Right, ... sure! If you want to study how to prevent atherosclerosis, you should study only those with atherosclerosis! :( Reminds me of how I reacted to watching a session of the House of Commons (Great Britain) on cable. My reaction was: Are these people on drugs? They definitely were NOT normal! I get the same reaction from reading these incredibly stupid research studies. Where do these researchers come from? The same mental institution? The problem with all these stupid studies is that are conducted by a bunch of crazies. Time to clean house, and start over with some rational people. Just my opinion, but I am right as usual! :) -- john gohde http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/ Also from the abstract: " Polyunsaturated fat intake was positively associated with progression [to coronary stenosis] when replacing other fats..." I'd be interested in exactly how "saturated fat" was defined. If they mean animal fat, I'd like to see all the data (though beef tallow would be better than something like safflower oil, and so the results are not that surprising). If they mean coconut oil and palm kernel oil, the results then make perfect sense, as WHO data and other studies of peoples on diets with these foods as dietary staples makes clear. > Re: New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Just my opinion, but I am right as usual! :) > Re: New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease > > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Just my opinion, but I am right as usual! :) David Herrington, M.D., Division of Cardiology, Department of Internal Medicine, Wake Forest University School of Medicine, Winston-Salem, NC. Receives research support from Eli Lilly and Parke-Davis/Pfizer, and occasional honoraria from Wyeth-Ayerst and Eli Lilly. Research on cardiovascular disease outcomes during 6.8 years of hormone therapy was funded by Wyeth-Ayerst. (JAMA 2002;288:49-57) These guys don't know which way is up and which way is down. Look at this study: R. H Knopp and B. M Retzlaff Saturated fat prevents coronary artery disease? An American paradox Am. J. Clinical Nutrition, November 1, 2004; 80(5): 1102 - 1103. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/80/5/1102 Robert H. Knopp, M.D., Northwest Lipid Research Clinic, University of Washington School of Medicine. "Received grants from Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Kos Pharmaceuticals, Merck, Parke-Davis, Pfizer, and Wyeth-Ayerst," according to a New England Journal of Medicine review of "Drug Therapy" article authors who have ties to industry. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2000;342:586-7) TC > > Re: New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > These guys don't know which way is up and which way is down. If science is as pure as the driven snow then why don't I see it in the research studies being published? Everybody has an agenda, and I don't see agenda FREE research being published. They knew what the results of this research would be before they even started it. It is the same story with this very old news story that vitamin E is bad for your health. -- john gohde http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/ >> > Re: New study: more saturated fat = less heart disease >> > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >If science is as pure as the driven snow then why don't I see it in >the research studies being published? See what? If you knew how the scientific process worked, you wouldn't ask such silly questions. Science is made by faulty humans -- some more faulty than others (hint!) The process ensures that the faults get eliminated over time. The trouble here is that amateurs look at a work-in-progress and assume it is the final product. Hence all the confusion and gnashing of teeth. >Everybody has an agenda, and I don't see agenda FREE research being >published. Never has been. But try to understand the process -- not "artefacts of the manufacturing process along the way". >They knew what the results of this research would be before >they even started it. It is the same story with this very old news >story that vitamin E is bad for your health. News stories are as flawed as amateurs here lighting on one paper to justify their personal hypotheses. The process of scientific endeavour will eventually reveal the truth. You will need a PhD (basic research qualification) to be able to get a handle on all of this, unfortunately. > You will need a PhD (basic research qualification) to be able to get a > handle on all of this, unfortunately. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! If you believe that then I got a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge that you might be interested in. :) Jack LaLynne has proven that absolutely no research is necessary at all. :) Any my web site operationally proves you to be wrong. :) Just thought that you might want to know. -- John Gohde http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/ >> You will need a PhD (basic research qualification) to be able to get >> a handle on all of this, unfortunately. > > Ha, ... Hah, Ha! A PhD is not a basic research qualification. PhDs routinely use research assistants who do not have PhDs. Sometimes their names are listed on studies. Other times they are left off, even when they wrote the lion's share of the report. > >> > Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Another reason why all these academic studies are all > >> > so stupid! > > See what? If you knew how the scientific process worked, you wouldn't > ask such silly questions. I know more about how the scientific process works than you do, Buddy! And, I am passing moral judgement on research being pounded off on the trusting public as science. It is pure crap! > Science is made by faulty humans -- some more faulty than others > (hint!) And, some of these frauds called researchers belong more in jail than they do at an university where they only exist to pollute the next generation of academic idiots. > The process ensures that the faults get eliminated over time. The > trouble here is that amateurs look at a work-in-progress and assume it > is the final product. Hence all the confusion and gnashing of teeth. Ha, ... Hah, Ha! I hate to inform you, but evolution works faster than nutrition research. > >Everybody has an agenda, and I don't see agenda FREE research being > >published. > The process of scientific endeavour will eventually reveal the truth. > You will need a PhD (basic research qualification) to be able to get a > handle on all of this, unfortunately. Again, Jack LaLanne has revealed more truth about health than all the nutrition research published to date. To say otherwise, shows that all you want to do is cover-up the fraud called nutrition research. -- john gohde http://gnu-dictionary.naturalhealthperspective.com/ |
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