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Dee Randall - 29 Oct 2004 00:14 GMT
Has anyone had a reason to look into the most nutritious cranberry 'juice'
on the market?  I am looking for a cranberry juice for healthful reasons
that would include the

(1) least amount of sugar and/or no sugar substitute
(2) least amount of other juices included in the container
(3) preferably, but not probably attainable, glass vs. plastic container
(4) not a liquid that is marketed "a drink"
(5) Of course, I will always consider an 'organic' product, but I don't
recall ever seeing 'organic' cranberries

Thanks for any comments.
Dee
Jeff - 29 Oct 2004 00:35 GMT
GNC has a concentrate. Very pricy, however.

You can get a discount card that is valid maybe one week a month or
something. Saves money.

Jeff
Karstens Rage - 30 Oct 2004 03:09 GMT
> Has anyone had a reason to look into the most nutritious cranberry 'juice'
> on the market?  I am looking for a cranberry juice for healthful reasons
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for any comments.
> Dee

I drink R.W. Knudsens Just Cranberry. Its 100% Cran from concentrate
(havent found one thats not from concentrate). It sells for about 6.49
at my local WF but it goes on sale for 4.69 and I buy a bunch. Its pure
cran and takes some getting used to. I weaned myself on to it by mixing
it with Just Blueberry until I could drink it straight. I actually used
it to wean myself off alcohol. I drank it out of wine glass and you cant
gulp it, you have to sip (at least I did).

It has no added sugar
It has no other juices
Its in a glass container
Its pure juice so its marketed as such
I havent found an organic 100% cran. I dont think there is a big market
for it.

http://www.knudsenjuices.com/products/justprod.asp?ID=17

k
Piezo Guru - 30 Oct 2004 03:30 GMT
Find it at health food stores. It's expensive, It's almost impossible to
drink, and it's good for you. Concentrates are useless and if you think
Cranberry cocktails indicate what it tastes like you are in for a rude
awakening.

> Has anyone had a reason to look into the most nutritious cranberry 'juice'
> on the market?  I am looking for a cranberry juice for healthful reasons
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks for any comments.
> Dee
Dee Randall - 30 Oct 2004 21:29 GMT
> Find it at health food stores. It's expensive, It's almost impossible to
> drink, and it's good for you. Concentrates are useless and if you think
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > Thanks for any comments.
> > Dee

Thanks for your suggestions re the GNC & the Knudsen.  My husband stopped at
the GNC just now and called and said that he got 16 oz for $16+ of the
concentrate that Jeff mentioned.
Karstens Rage: Thanks for the Knudsen reference.  My husband said that he
had just bought some blueberry "thing," and I see that Knudsen also makes a
blueberry, perhaps that is what he bought.  But he was looking at the time
for cranberry (Costco) and they had no cranberry in that brand.
Piezo Guru says that "Concentrates are useless " - but I don't quite
understand that.
Ruby: Thanks for the full information & added info re a glass bottle: I go
to Trader Joe's seldom, but when I go there, I will look for it --
Many thanks.
Dee
Piezo Guru - 31 Oct 2004 04:10 GMT
To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills all
the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and evaporates
some of the vitamins, destroys some of the heat sensitive vitamins and
breaks down some of the fibres.

As far as a pH response goes it may still work.

> > Find it at health food stores. It's expensive, It's almost impossible to
> > drink, and it's good for you. Concentrates are useless and if you think
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Many thanks.
> Dee
Jeff - 01 Nov 2004 00:28 GMT
> To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills all
> the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and evaporates
> some of the vitamins, destroys some of the heat sensitive vitamins and
> breaks down some of the fibres.
>
> As far as a pH response goes it may still work.

Actaully, cranberry juice contains some ingredients that help prevent
bacteria from attaching to the cells of the urinary tract.

Can you please list the enzymes that are broken down by boiling? I mean
their names and functions?

Thanks.

Jeff

> > > Find it at health food stores. It's expensive, It's almost impossible to
> > > drink, and it's good for you. Concentrates are useless and if you think
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> > Many thanks.
> > Dee
George Lagergren - 01 Nov 2004 03:41 GMT
                                              403  10-31-04  20:20
"Piezo Guru" <gbusey@honmail.com>   posted:
pi> To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this
pi> kills all the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it
pi> down and evaporates some of the vitamins, destroys some of the
pi> heat sensitive vitamins and breaks down some of the fibres.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>  replied:
Ki> Can you please list the enzymes that are broken down by boiling? I
Ki> mean their names and functions?

   Heating food above 120 F. degrees destroys all enzymes contained
   within the food.

   That is why humans who eat cooked food need to take supplemental
   digestive enzymes.

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Dunne E. Dawe - 03 Nov 2004 03:43 GMT
>Heating food above 120 F. degrees destroys all enzymes contained
>    within the food.
>
>    That is why humans who eat cooked food need to take supplemental
>    digestive enzymes.

Can you tell us which ones? And what they are expected to do in the
human body?
Dee Randall - 01 Nov 2004 16:45 GMT
> To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills all
> the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and evaporates
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> > Many thanks.
> > Dee

Re your:
To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills all
> the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and evaporates
> some of the vitamins, destroys some of the heat sensitive vitamins and
> breaks down some of the fibres.

Is  "concentrating a juice" the same as "pasteurization"?  It doesn't say on
the bottle that it is "pasteurized."  I'm wondering if every product that is
pasteurized (or boiled down) might be of little value -- for example,milk,
etc. because it destroys enzymes and evaporates some vitamins and breaks
down some fibres.
Thanks.
Piezo Guru - 02 Nov 2004 00:49 GMT
Pasteurization is usually done very quickly in an attempt not to taint the
product but it does anyway. I believe they pass it through a pipe with a
boiling hotspot and then back through a refrigerated zone. This kills
bacteria and all the enzymes.

If it doesn't rot or go bad...don't eat it.

> > To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills all
> > the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> down some fibres.
> Thanks.
Dee Randall - 08 Nov 2004 03:13 GMT
> Pasteurization is usually done very quickly in an attempt not to taint the
> product but it does anyway. I believe they pass it through a pipe with a
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> > Re your:
> > To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick. this kills
all
> > > the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down and
> > evaporates
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> If it doesn't rot or go bad...don't eat it.

I believe there might be one exception to this rule -- and that is HONEY!

Dee
Piezo Guru - 08 Nov 2004 04:47 GMT
What sweety?

> > Pasteurization is usually done very quickly in an attempt not to taint the
> > product but it does anyway. I believe they pass it through a pipe with a
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
>
> Dee
Dunne E. Dawe - 04 Nov 2004 03:59 GMT
>Is  "concentrating a juice" the same as "pasteurization"?

No. Concentrating is removeing a good proportion of the water.
Pasteurisation is the flash raising of the temperature to a temp that
JUST kills some of the pathogenic organisms.

> It doesn't say on
>the bottle that it is "pasteurized."  I'm wondering if every product that is
>pasteurized (or boiled down) might be of little value -- for example,milk,
>etc. because it destroys enzymes and evaporates some vitamins and breaks
>down some fibres.

Which vitamins do you think it evaporates, and which fibres do you
mean?
Dunne E. Dawe - 03 Nov 2004 03:27 GMT
>To concentrate a juice it is boiled until it becomes thick.

But that can be done at room temperature or a little above.

>this kills all
>the enzymes that help your digestive system to break it down

Could you name one of these enzymes and mention which chemical
reaction it facilitates?

>and evaporates
>some of the vitamins,

Which vitamins are evaporated?

> destroys some of the heat sensitive vitamins and
>breaks down some of the fibres.

Depends what temperature you do it at.
Ruby - 30 Oct 2004 07:40 GMT
> Has anyone had a reason to look into the most nutritious cranberry
> 'juice' on the market?  I am looking for a cranberry juice for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (2) least amount of other juices included in the container
> (3) preferably, but not probably attainable, glass

[snip]
Trader Joe's, which has stores in many states, has a good inexpensive
(comparatively) Cranberry Juice:
Just Cranberry.
100% Cranberry Juice from Concentrate (in a glass bottle)
Ingredients:
Filtered water (sufficient to reconstitute). Concentrated Cranberry Juice
No preservatives, No artificial Colors, No Artificial Flavors.
On the Nutrition Facts label it shows 7g sugars in 2fl oz
Does not state NO added sugar yet is VERY sour and does the trick if you
are having some problem...  so guess- probably doesn't have added sugar.

If there is not one in your city, maybe there is one in your State maybe
you could drive there & pick up a case.
HTH, Ruby
 
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