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Skinny - 13 Oct 2004 23:18 GMT
Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?

This source doesn't look very impressive....

http://www.newtreatments.org/hypo.php
The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
buffer the pH in the blood and the tissues of the body. The blood pH
remains at a strict 7.4. A drop of one or two tenth of the pH can cause
death, so the blood pH is balanced strictly with different means: Minerals
that buffer pH, CO2 respiration, the kidneys secreting excess H+ or OH- and
finally the body can dump acids or alkaline excesses into the tissues when
all other meassures are exhausted.
The urine pH, when meassured using the right protocol (check articles on
RBTI) reflects the tissue pH. 6.4 is the optimal pH. Low pH's indicate
deficiencies of anionic (alkaline-forming) calciums (like calciumcarbonate,
-hydroxide), while high pH's indicate deficiencies of cationic calciums
(like calciumlactate). When the tissues are too acid, insulin's action is
lowered. When the tissues are too alkaline, insulin's action is
exaggerated.
Robert - 14 Oct 2004 02:17 GMT
> Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
> to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?
>
> This source doesn't look very impressive....

If you are acidotic or alkalotic as measured by arterial blood pH then you
are in trouble. Your primary concern is in finding the reason for your
altered abnormal pH and fix that rather than singling out insulin
interactions.
With ketoacidosis and lactic acidosis in diabetics you better believe that
there is a relationship between insulin or lack there of and pH.
When it comes to pH in urine the proper term is compensatory changes to deal
with metabolic processes. There is no "deficiency", but simply metabolic
regulation going on. When it comes to ionic regulation in the urine, the
laws of isoneutrality exists within the lumen of the renal tubules. The loss
of some cations such as H can cause the retaining of some other cation such
as K, acidotic hyperkalemia. The loss of the anion bicarb can cause
retaintion of CL, hyperchloremic acidosis.
You can not evaluate the urine chemistry state by itself without evaluating
the blood chemistry state.
Yeast as a source of hypoglycemia is a bunch of crap.
The proper measurement of magnesium is via ionized magnesium levels and not
total serum magnesium levels. If you look at total mg levels in relation to
ionized mag levels you see that there is a gross over estimation of
hypomagnesemia.
Those are homeostatic changes as a result of altered hormone levels more so
than to simply looking at the ions themselves.

South Med J. 2002 Nov;95(11):1280-7. Related Articles, Links
Acid-base and electrolyte disturbances in patients with hypercalcemia.
Milionis HJ, Rizos E, Liamis G, Nikas S, Siamopoulos KC, Elisaf MS.
Department of Internal Medicine, University of Ioannina Medical School,
Ioannina, Greece.
BACKGROUND: In the present study, we analyzed acid-base and electrolyte
disturbances in hypercalcemic patients to determine the principal causes of
hypercalcemia. METHODS: We studied a total of 76 hypercalcemic patients and
91 healthy individuals. Acid-base and electrolyte parameters were determined
before any therapeutic intervention. RESULTS: Hyperparathyroidism and
neoplasias were the most common causes of hypercalcemia. Hypercalcemic
patients had increased serum urea and creatinine levels, a higher
urea/creatinine ratio, and a higher rate of acid-base disorders, but lower
serum albumin, potassium, chloride, phosphorus, and magnesium concentrations
than those found in the control subjects. Notably, significant differences
in acid-base balance and electrolyte concentrations were evident between
patients with hyperparathyroidism and patients with cancer. CONCLUSIONS:
Primary hyperparathyroidism and neoplasia are the most common causes of
hypercalcemia. A wide array of concurrent acid-base and electrolyte
disorders may be evident in hypercalcemic patients. Differences in these
laboratory parameters are helpful in diagnostic workup.
PMID: 12539994 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

> http://www.newtreatments.org/hypo.php
> The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
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> lowered. When the tissues are too alkaline, insulin's action is
> exaggerated.
Jeff - 15 Oct 2004 04:43 GMT
> Is there anything to the idea that acid or alkali conditions might relate
> to insulin resistance, effectiveness of insulin, etc?
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> The body uses minerals, primarily different types of organic calciums to
> buffer the pH in the blood and the tissues of the body.

What is an organic calcium?

Never heard of it.

The article is full of crap.

Jeff
 
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