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Alcohol and drunkenness

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Pascal Damian - 11 Oct 2004 05:17 GMT
Is alcohol the only constituent responsible for drunkenness in drinks
(including wine)? Can someone get drunk without alcohol, e.g. by
drinking lots of 0%-alcohol beer?

And speaking of drunkenness, what exactly does it mean by getting
drunk?

Regards,
Pascal Damian
Phil Scott - 11 Oct 2004 08:17 GMT
> Is alcohol the only constituent responsible for drunkenness in drinks
> (including wine)? Can someone get drunk without alcohol,

no

e.g. by
> drinking lots of 0%-alcohol beer?

no

> And speaking of drunkenness, what exactly does it mean by getting
> drunk?

Toxic effects of alcohol affect body, nervous system and brain
function in many ways..depleting vitamin B short
term..creating nervous system misery that one recovers from in
a couple of days...and changing brain structure long
term...shrinking the portion of the brain that links both
halves of the brain creating the 'alcoholic personality'
described fully at Alcoholics Anomous web sites and
elsewhere... a reactive personality that fails to connect
cause and effect... so nastyness, abuse and loopy thinking is
involved.  Its permanent damage.

This brain shrinkage is dramatic and clearly seen on scans of
the alcoholic brain... the offspring of alcoholics also have
clearly identifiable features and changed brain structure in
many but not all cases.

Brain and liver cells are killed by constant use of
alcohol.... a bad liver fails to clean the blood and the rest
of the body suffers early decay ...in many but not all
cases...some genetic characteristics allow a person to drink
more than others with only slight ill effect over a life
time/... others, virtually all american indians for example
leave the person ultra vulnerable to the debilitating effects
of alcohol....huge almost irrestable highs...and crashes to
the pits of the universe.... one drink for instance led to the
utterly complete devastation of Jaco Pastorius, considered the
worlds most talented base player... a few months after his
first drink he was peeing on customers tables, staggering
around alleys and a pariah in places he had been welcomed at
as one of the worlds greats a few months earlier.

Others, the manics among us or the borderline manics
(exitable types, tending to hit extremes) alcohol worsens the
condition unoticeably to the person... they become more manic
and out of control even when not having any alcohol for
days.... they live lives of one ruined relationship after
another... all the result of  a few drinks a week...its very
subtle.

The person never gets intoxicated so does not connect his very
light drinking with the massive disaster his life has become.

Other than that the booze is a great thing, allowing a person
to break the bonds of countless social aberations and
inhibitions..

we screw ourselves up first with bogus philosophy then try to
escape the effects with drugs.

a better option and absolute hoot at all times is dead nuts
complete honesty... you are in a restaurant and you are
looking at the waitresses a.s and its real nice and she is
nice and you have dreams... you can just tell her whats on
your mind.

now that works...and in business too it works.   and it
screens out the philosphically diseased that drive anyone in
that loop to drink.

Phil Scott

> Regards,
> Pascal Damian
magnulus - 12 Oct 2004 07:24 GMT
 Hops traditionally was used as a sleeping aid or sedative, and it is an
ingredient in beer, though in varying amounts.

 Hops is interesting because it is related to cannabis and in some places,
is controlled because you can graft cannabis onto it.
 
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