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Ron - 18 Sep 2004 19:11 GMT
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From:  "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
Date:  Sat Sep 18, 2004  10:31 am
Subject:  Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy





Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

There is a new plague, and it may soon be thriving
in your bloodstream, and you'll never again for the
rest of your life have a normal bowel movement. You
can become infected by drinking just one glass of
milk, or by swallowing your next bite of cheese.

Scare tactics or real science? Let's put it this
way. Don't read the rest of this column, and ignore
my advice, and you can still cash in on a $1 coupon
offer by visiting this website:

http://www.depend.com

The September issue of a most esteemed British
medical journal, The Lancet (364: 1039-44), confirms
that the blood from Crohn's patients is teeming
with bacteria (mycobacterium paratuberculosis)
that cause irritable bowels and worse.

Dirty disgusting dangerous pathogens from diseased
animals pass directly to you from their tainted
body fluids. Concentrated in the cheese and ice cream.
Is it worth the risk to continue eating such toxic
disease-bearing food?

In their study, scientists at the Department of Molecular
Biology and Microbiology at the University of Central
Florida cultured mycobacterium paratuberculosis directly
from the blood of patients suffering from Crohn's Disease.
Data from their experiment suggest that this bacterium
may very well be the cause of Crohn's Disease.

So, what else is new? We've been making that same claim,
based upon scientific evidence, since June of 1998:

<http://www.notmilk.com/hs/062898.txt >

How many people with irritable bowels, ulcerative colitis,
and Crohn's Disease would have been spared a lifetime of
suffering, had the truth been released to all people eight
years ago? The most painful part of this unprecedented
conspiracy of silence is that gastroenterologists knew the
truth, but remained mute. So too did the folks at USDA. Of
course, this bacterium is the biggest fear of America's
dairy industry. They knew, and continued to poison trusting
Americans.

Numbers do not lie. In September of 1996, the Proceedings
for the National Academy of Sciences reported in their journal:

"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis RNA was found in 100%
of Crohn's disease patients, compared with 0% of controls."

The most serious bacterial disease of cows is caused by
mycobacterium paratuberculosis. Mycobacterium paratuberculosis
causes a bovine disease called "Johne's." Cows diagnosed with
Johne's Disease have diarrhea and heavy fecal shedding of
bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk and is not
destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk borne
bacteria will begin to grow in the human host, and irritable
bowel syndrome and Crohn's results.

How long has the scientific establishment known about this
horror story? In 1992, the Journal of Clinical Microbiology
(1992;30(12):3070-3073) reported:

"It is reasonable to conjecture that M. paratuberculosis
may be responsible for some cases of Crohn's disease."

Is there proof that dairy farmers knew? On January 24, 1995,
Hoard's Dairyman, the national dairy farmers magazine, revealed:

"Johne's disease and Crohn's disease are remarkably similar
in clinical signs and intestinal pathology."

In February of 1998, a study performed by J. Hermon-Taylor
and published in the British Medical Journal revealed:

"Mycobacterium Paratuberculosis crosses the species
barrier to infect and cause disease in humans."

Why didn't you know this? Because...your doctor did not
tell you. He or she reads medical journals. Was there
not an obligation to inform patients? Keeping people
sick is certainly good for business.

Does pasteurization destroy mycobacterium paratuberculosis?
Not on your life. The March, 1998 issue of Applied
Environmental Microbiology revealed:

"Mycobacterium paratuberculosis is capable of surviving
commercial pasteurization, when there are more than 10
bacteria per milliliter in raw milk."

In her "Ministry of Healing," Ellen G. White wrote
(page 271):

"In order to have good health, we must have good blood;
for the blood is the current of life. It repairs waste
and nourishes the body. When supplied with the proper
food elements and when cleansed and vitalized by contact
with pure air, it carries life and vigor to every part
of the system."

White wrote about diet's role in maintaining good
blood. She never suspected that human blood could
become contaminated by a bacterial infection.

Bacteria in the bloodstream? Your kids? Your family?
Your friends? You? Before it's too late, take the advice
of a man who was once chief of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins
Medical College. Long before he knew of the Crohn's
connection, Dr. Frank Oski wrote a book with this title:

"Don't Drink Your Milk!"

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com
John Que - 18 Sep 2004 21:09 GMT
There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
so that should be safer.
And yogurt which contains live flora has been shown
to greatly reduce the Helibactor pylori loads in
the stomach..

The observation of the organism in the bloodstream
maybe the effect not the cause of the disease process
which even if true isn't good, either.

Now, I'll go eat a bowl of yogurt with fruit:-)

"One man's meat is another man poison"

> .
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Data from their experiment suggest that this bacterium
> may very well be the cause of Crohn's Disease.
Oz - 19 Sep 2004 09:54 GMT
John Que <Homemade@lightening.edu> writes

>There is ultra-pasturized milk which is fully sterilized
>so that should be safer.

Ugh!

I'll just carry on drinking unpasteurised milk straight from the bulk
tank, just like 99.99% of dairy farmers and their staff do.

Does that tell you something?

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Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

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Gordon Couger - 20 Sep 2004 08:56 GMT
> John Que <Homemade@lightening.edu> writes
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Does that tell you something?

Oz

You and I are immune to a great many things that folks in the city are not
because they have been raised in an environment that they are not exposed to
the germs in childhood. If you notice the stockman that has cattle with e.
coli:h157 never gets the disease but a kid from the city can catch it just
from walking across the dairy. You and I have at one time or another been
covered in manure and inhaled it as areoles and are no worse for it. I
expect that the USA is more subscribe to milk born disease than the UK
because we have had pasteurized milk so much longer and raw milk is very
difficult to get. Even thought we have lower Bang's and TB in the herd than
the UK because we have lower stocking densities for the calves. Or at least
that is what I think. Neither one of us is like to be rid of either one in
the near future. I can find you references on  that in the merging diseases
mailing list.

The link between Johne's can Chrone's disease is a thin one at best. The
cause of Chrone's and IBS in humans is far from a solved problem. A pilot
program with 14 subjects Chrone's and IBS got remissions in almost all of
them by dosing them with pin worm larva from swine every three week with no
side effects. The worms from pigs will not set up house keeping in humans.
The contention of that group is that IBS and Chrone's is an over active
immune system that is attacking the bowel when there are no nematodes
present. It fits better than that Johne's as a cause as immune system
suppression has been the gold standard treatment for years. I have been
following IBS and Chrone's for years. Thirty years ago I had a 3 week bought
of IBS and it is a pretty serious disease. If you can't get it under control
it doesn't take long to kill you.

Milk is one of the safest foods in the western world. People with
compromised immune systems have a unique problem. A trip to the salad bar is
like a game of Russian roulette for you or I. They are breeding a super
malaria and TB that may be a real problem in the very near future. We may
get real serious about mosquito control if we get multidrug resistant
Malaria back in the USA and th EU.

The group use pin worms from swine rather than a human nematode that causes
minimal problems becuse it requires treatment every 3 weeks and a human
nematode would only take one treatment every 1 to 3 year and be a lot less
profitable.
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Gordon

Gordon Couger
Stillwater, OK
www.couger.com/gcouger

Oz - 20 Sep 2004 09:33 GMT
Gordon Couger <gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> writes
>Oz
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>coli:h157 never gets the disease but a kid from the city can catch it just
>from walking across the dairy.

Of course, but remember I was reared in the middle of london until I was
22. I'm not suggesting unpasteurised milk would be a good thing to sell
all over the country, it wouldn't keep as well for one thing, but I am
suggesting its not quite the hazard people think. 50 years ago was quite
another matter.

>You and I have at one time or another been
>covered in manure and inhaled it as aerosols and are no worse for it.

Please don't remind me ....
And NEVER mention slurry irrigation.

>The link between Johne's can Chrone's disease is a thin one at best. The
>cause of Chrone's and IBS in humans is far from a solved problem. A pilot
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>of IBS and it is a pretty serious disease. If you can't get it under control
>it doesn't take long to kill you.

Noted. There have been programs to this effect on TV.

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This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

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ozacoohdb@despammed.com still functions.
Advocate147 - 21 Sep 2004 03:29 GMT
Can't cut and paste but wish to respond to Gordon Couger's post.
One more opportunity to speak of the cause of crohns.   Nothing to do with MAP,
genetics, animals, except the human kind.
Humans are not infallible and do not always consider the seemingly impossible.
Well, crohns has an improbable cause and is manmade.
Read my layman's theory on the cause of crohns and you can consider it gospel,
because tho unpublished it just happens to be one of the mysteries of life and
true.
The sooner revealed, the sooner the Plague will diminish at least.
Website is
http://ascc.healingwell.com/info/gailfaq.htm
Read a reply to MAP studies on Alt.crohns-colitis newsgroup entitled "Plague"
Strange and almost unbelievable, illogical, weird, stupid, all that is crohns
and the cause is no better.
Also natural herbs with natural stimulants can cause crohns as can Xanax,
Buspar, Depakote, Flexeril, kava kava, st johns wort, etc etc. etc.
The flouishing business of stimulants are the cause  and anti-depressants the
major offender.
If you must have an anti-depressant, try
Damitol, guaranteed to ease the suffering.

Gail Michael
Disgusting and CRIMINAL is the time and resources used for pursuing MAP and
other useless pursuits.
Advocate147 - 21 Sep 2004 03:33 GMT
Sorry, the title of the post on Alt.support.crohns-colitis is
"Clear: bacteria link to Crohn's"
What a peaceful world this can be from crohns for many.
Gail
Dean Hoffman - 22 Sep 2004 02:15 GMT
On 9/20/04 2:56 AM, in article t2w3d.47466$OZ6.23896@okepread06, "Gordon
Couger" <gcouger@NOSPAMprovalue.net> wrote:

> You and I are immune to a great many things that folks in the city are not
> because they have been raised in an environment that they are not exposed to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the near future. I can find you references on  that in the merging diseases
> mailing list.

   I read awhile back that it's good for kids to have pets.  There seems to
be a link between a lack of pets and asthma.  It's something about a lack of
germs and an under active immune system, I think.
 
                                                 Dean
Larry Hoover - 20 Sep 2004 14:14 GMT
> John Que <Homemade@lightening.edu> writes
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Does that tell you something?

Indeed it does. And so does the complete name of the microbe in question.
It's Mycobacterium avium, ssp. paratuberculosis. It was first indentified in
birds, and is ubiquitous in the environment. It has been cultured from
potable (drinking) water, for example. It's everywhere. Blaming cows milk as
a sole source is either a political act, or a naive one.

Lar
Advocate147 - 21 Sep 2004 03:07 GMT
"The observation of the organism in the bloodstream may be the effect not the
cause of the disease process  (crohns).
What  horrible misinformation from the British medical journal, the Lancet.  
Before long, the only choices left to eat will be McDonalds, and I guess they
better discontinue their milkshakes.
A world without milk, well, there is always wine.

Gail
Jim Webster - 18 Sep 2004 23:26 GMT
> .
>
> From:  "Robert Cohen" <notmilk@e...>
> Date:  Sat Sep 18, 2004  10:31 am
> Subject:  Another Reason to Immediately Stop Consuming Dairy

yawn, same old story but still no evidence,

It looks as if the best reason for drinking milk is that hysteria seems to
grab those who avoid it

Jim Webster
Jeff - 19 Sep 2004 02:24 GMT
> .
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> can become infected by drinking just one glass of
> milk, or by swallowing your next bite of cheese.

Pasturized milk has been around since the days  of Pasteur, before  WWII.

I doubt very much that this "new" plague is just suddenly showing up.

> Scare tactics or real science?

Scare tactics.

(...)

Jeff
Robert - 19 Sep 2004 05:44 GMT
Am J Gastroenterol. 2004 Aug;99(8):1539-43.  Related Articles, Links

Bacterial DNA within granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease--detection
by laser capture microdissection and PCR.

Ryan P, Kelly RG, Lee G, Collins JK, O'Sullivan GC, O'Connell J, Shanahan F.

Alimentary Pharmabiotic Centre; and Departments of Medicine, Histopathology,
Microbiology, and Surgery, University College Cork, National University of
Ireland, Ireland.

OBJECTIVES: We previously reported the use of laser capture microdissection
(LCM) and PCR to detect the presence of Mycobacterium paratuberculosis DNA
in granulomas of patients with Crohn's disease. While this does not imply a
cause-effect relationship, it may influence the disease process because
bacterial DNA has immunomodulatory effects. The aim of this study was to
determine whether DNA from nonmycobacterial commensals, such as Escherichia
coli, is also increased in the granulomas of Crohn's disease. METHODS:
Archival tissue from 15 surgical cases of Crohn's disease and 10 non-Crohn's
granulomatous bowel disease controls were examined. Granulomas were isolated
using LCM, and the extracted DNA was examined for presence of E. coli DNA by
nested PCR amplification of a 135 base-pair segment of the uidA gene.
RESULTS: E. coli DNA was detected in microdissected granulomas in 12/15
Crohn's disease patients and in 1/10 non-Crohn's control granulomas (p <
0.001). Also, E. coli DNA was detected in 8/15 Crohn's full-thickness
sections and in 4/10 control full-thickness sections. CONCLUSIONS: E. coli
DNA may be detected more frequently in Crohn's granulomas than in other
non-Crohn's bowel granulomas. This may indicate a tendency for lumenal
bacteria to colonize inflamed tissue, or may be due to increased uptake of
bacterial DNA by gut antigen presenting cells. In light of previous
detection of M. paratuberculosis DNA in Crohn's granulomas, the nonspecific
nature of the type of bacterial DNA present in granulomas is evidence
against any one bacterium having a significant causative role in Crohn's
disease. Copyright 2004 American College of Gastroenterology

PMID: 15307874 [PubMed - in process]
 
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