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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / September 2004Universal Mental Health Screening Of Children In The Schools
http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda -- A Declaration Of Refusal To Comply With Any New Freedom Commission Mandate For Universal Mental Health Screening Of Children In The Schools Our declaration of refusal is a vigorous response to and rejection of the recommendations of the President's New Freedom Commission on mental health policy in the United States, a health policy that would mandate virtually universal mental health screening, including the 52 million children and 6 million adults in the public schools. We prefer to call it the "New Intrusion Commission." Its recommendations are a direct assault on child and family privacy, and a real threat to our children's well-being. Already, about 9 million school age children are on very dangerous psychotropic drugs, all for alleged "mental illnesses" like so-called ADHD, none of which have been validated as real diseases by scientific medicine. The New Freedom Commission wants to even more vigorously pursue the labeling and drugging of our children, by screening ALL children and adults in the public schools (and elsewhere) for signs of possible "mental illness." This really means they are actively pursuing an expansion of the child market for psychiatric pharmaceuticals. This declaration will be used in our effort to halt the policy recommendations of the New Freedom Commission. We invite all concerned citizens to sign on to this declaration and defend our space to allow our children to grow and learn without labels and drugs, and to make parenting decisions without pressure from various governmental agents. The New Freedom Commission report states that "Schools are in a key position to identify mental health problems early, and to provide a link to appropriate services." We know that many of the New Freedom commissioners are linked directly or indirectly to the Texas Medical Algorithm Project (TMAP), which provides formulas recommending specific psychotropic drugs to treat various "mental illnesses." According to whistleblower reports, TMAP pushes an off-label drug marketing scheme that appears to skirt federal law. We know, therefore, that this commission's recommendations are intended to encourage an expansion of the fact that "appropriate services" in today's psychiatric world means psychotropic drugs, and that there are already an estimated 9-million school-age children on psychiatric drugs. We consider this to represent a tragic situation, and a clear and present danger to our children. This extraordinary intrusion of psychiatry into our schools shows a blatant disregard of the public will, as demonstrated in the first four years of this millennium by a number of resolutions, education department statements and state laws, all defending a parent's right to make treatment decisions for a child without coercion, and a child's right to education without psychiatric labeling and drugs. Through 2003, there have been at least 46 state bills or resolutions supporting parental choice, in 28 states, that have either passed, or are still pending action, across the United States. We ask that our legislators and educational leaders discard the New Freedom Commission recommendations of extraordinary intrusion of psychiatry into our schools, and refocus on authentic education. We object to the New Freedom Commission recommendations for many reasons; these include scientific, legal, and moral or philosophic objections. Scientifically, we are aware that the Commission report is based on the same pseudoscience that has already resulted in the psychiatric drugging of an estimate 9 million school-age children, over 15% of our young people. The two most important scientific objections are: 1. No children's behavioral problem routinely seen by a psychiatrist or other physician has been scientifically demonstrated to be of biological or genetic causation. There is no objective test, no confirmatory physical or chemical abnormality, for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, or any of the other childhood diagnoses popular among psychiatrists. These diagnoses are wholly subjective, based on judgments of what is and isn't normal behavior. 2. Psychiatric drugs are dangerous: they are toxic and potentially lethal. There were 186 Ritalin-related heart deaths reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) during the 1990s. Because the system of reporting is voluntary, experts believe that this figure represents only 1-10 percent of the actual number of deaths. In other words, from this one drug alone, during a ten-year period, there were 1,800 to 18,000 deaths. In addition, because of evidence indicating their potential for inducing suicidal thinking and behavior in children, the United Kingdom has banned, for children, the use of all but one of the antidepressants known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's such as Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor and Remeron). The FDA is investigating the matter. Legally, we strongly insist on two revered concepts in United States law, the doctrines of informed consent and the right to privacy. The doctrine of informed consent must be interpreted to mean that parents have a legal right to sufficient information necessary to make a fully informed choice on behalf of their children. Any mandatory mental health screening is a gross violation. The right to privacy is a fundamental American value; we see mandatory mental health screening as direct violation of a liberty interest under Fourteenth Amendment due process rights. We consider New Freedom recommendations to be a serious threat not only to our educational system, but most importantly to the development and well-being of our children. Therefore, we insist that any New Freedom Commission policy recommendations that put our children at risk for unwarranted intrusion, labeling and psychiatric drugging be immediately discarded. The Declaration of Refusal may be viewed at http://www.ablechild.org/declaration%20of%20refusal.aspx. Please join us as we solemnly declare that we will not allow our children to be the subjects of any form of implementation of New Freedom Commission recommendations to screen our children for signs of "mental illness." Contact Information John Breeding http://www.wildestcolts.com/ 512-799-3610 -- http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda For more information see http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters "Psychiatry must now decide what is to be the immediate future of the human race. No one else can." G. Brock Chisolm, Psychiatrist, Co-Founder of the World Federation of Mental Health. Stressed? Anxious? Depressed? There ARE non-drug solutions! http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > http://groups.msn.com/$cientologyKills > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda WARNING: This poster wil lrefer you to sites which follow the Kriminal Kult of $cientology party line. Hey Mark, When did John Breeding turn into a Scientologist ? Or are you just another druggie that doesn't want to hear the truth about your precious poisons ? Tim > > http://groups.msn.com/$cientologyKills > > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > This poster wil lrefer you to sites which follow the Kriminal Kult of > $cientology party line. My question on this is: How will the screening be performed? If it's a one-test, one shot deal, I don't want it done, because standardized psychological testing, by itself, tends to a high false-positive rate. But, I can't imagine much else being done in a school setting, due to time and cost requirements. Without a family history, there are a lot of inner city children who could come up with some pretty scary sounding things on some of the projective tests-they do on school assignments, even, but have had life experiences which more than explain them. If a child has to sleep on the floor every night because of gun fire in the neighborhood (happens, in areas with high levels of drug dealing and gang violence), I'd be shocked if they didn't test more anxious, or even paranoid, than an average suburban kid! That's the reason for taking a case history, and for a GAF including external factors-because sometimes it isn't the person who is sick-but the situation the person is in. News Released: September 13, 2004 http://www.prleap.com/pr_1181.html A Declaration Of Refusal To Comply With Any New Freedom Commission Mandate For Universal Mental Health Screening Of Children In The Schools (PRLEAP.COM) Our declaration of refusal is a vigorous response to and rejection of the recommendations of the President's New Freedom Commission on mental health policy in the United States, a health policy that would mandate virtually universal mental health screening, including the 52 million children and 6 million adults in the public schools. We prefer to call it the "New Intrusion Commission." Its recommendations are a direct assault on child and family privacy, and a real threat to our children's well-being. Already, about 9 million school age children are on very dangerous psychotropic drugs, all for alleged "mental illnesses" like so-called ADHD, none of which have been validated as real diseases by scientific medicine. The New Freedom Commission wants to even more vigorously pursue the labeling and drugging of our children, by screening ALL children and adults in the public schools (and elsewhere) for signs of possible "mental illness." This really means they are actively pursuing an expansion of the child market for psychiatric pharmaceuticals. This declaration will be used in our effort to halt the policy recommendations of the New Freedom Commission. We invite all concerned citizens to sign on to this declaration and defend our space to allow our children to grow and learn without labels and drugs, and to make parenting decisions without pressure from various governmental agents. The New Freedom Commission report states that "Schools are in a key position to identify mental health problems early, and to provide a link to appropriate services." We know that many of the New Freedom commissioners are linked directly or indirectly to the Texas Medical Algorithm Project (TMAP), which provides formulas recommending specific psychotropic drugs to treat various "mental illnesses." According to whistleblower reports, TMAP pushes an off-label drug marketing scheme that appears to skirt federal law. We know, therefore, that this commission's recommendations are intended to encourage an expansion of the fact that "appropriate services" in today's psychiatric world means psychotropic drugs, and that there are already an estimated 9-million school-age children on psychiatric drugs. We consider this to represent a tragic situation, and a clear and present danger to our children. This extraordinary intrusion of psychiatry into our schools shows a blatant disregard of the public will, as demonstrated in the first four years of this millennium by a number of resolutions, education department statements and state laws, all defending a parent's right to make treatment decisions for a child without coercion, and a child's right to education without psychiatric labeling and drugs. Through 2003, there have been at least 46 state bills or resolutions supporting parental choice, in 28 states, that have either passed, or are still pending action, across the United States. We ask that our legislators and educational leaders discard the New Freedom Commission recommendations of extraordinary intrusion of psychiatry into our schools, and refocus on authentic education. We object to the New Freedom Commission recommendations for many reasons; these include scientific, legal, and moral or philosophic objections. Scientifically, we are aware that the Commission report is based on the same pseudoscience that has already resulted in the psychiatric drugging of an estimate 9 million school-age children, over 15% of our young people. The two most important scientific objections are: 1. No children's behavioral problem routinely seen by a psychiatrist or other physician has been scientifically demonstrated to be of biological or genetic causation. There is no objective test, no confirmatory physical or chemical abnormality-for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, or any of the other childhood diagnoses popular among psychiatrists. These diagnoses are wholly subjective, based on judgments of what is and isn't normal behavior. 2. Psychiatric drugs are dangerous: they are toxic and potentially lethal. There were 186 Ritalin-related heart deaths reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) during the 1990s. Because the system of reporting is voluntary, experts believe that this figure represents only 1-10 percent of the actual number of deaths. In other words, from this one drug alone, during a ten-year period, there were 1,800 to 18,000 deaths. In addition, because of evidence indicating their potential for inducing suicidal thinking and behavior in children, the United Kingdom has banned, for children, the use of all but one of the antidepressants known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI's such as Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor and Remeron). The FDA is investigating the matter. Legally, we strongly insist on two revered concepts in United States law, the doctrines of informed consent and the right to privacy. The doctrine of informed consent must be interpreted to mean that parents have a legal right to sufficient information necessary to make a fully informed choice on behalf of their children. Any mandatory mental health screening is a gross violation. The right to privacy is a fundamental American value; we see mandatory mental health screening as direct violation of a liberty interest under Fourteenth Amendment due process rights. We consider New Freedom recommendations to be a serious threat not only to our educational system, but most importantly to the development and well-being of our children. Therefore, we insist that any New Freedom Commission policy recommendations that put our children at risk for unwarranted intrusion, labeling and psychiatric drugging be immediately discarded. The Declaration of Refusal may be viewed at http://www.ablechild.org/declaration%20of%20refusal.aspx. Please join us as we solemnly declare that we will not allow our children to be the subjects of any form of implementation of New Freedom Commission recommendations to screen our children for signs of "mental illness." Contact Information John Breeding Wildest Colts Resources Email Wildest Colts Resources 512-799-3610 -- 'All policymakers must be vigilant to the possibility of research data being manipulated by corporate bodies and of scientific colleagues being seduced by the material charms of industry. Trust is no defence against an aggressively deceptive corporate sector.' Editorial (2000). Resisting smoke and spin. Lancet 355, 1197. Of course, Jake, you realize that this is Breedings interpetation of the situation, and, may not reflect reality. > News Released: September 13, 2004 > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > Editorial (2000). Resisting smoke and spin. Lancet 355, 1197. Exactly where did lrh say the space aliens originated, and in which volcanoes did they inhabit, and how long ago did theis happen, and what mental health treatment did he recieve on which basis he developed his views? The question of meds and kids is an important one, religious,not , kooks are not the people to lead the discussion because they have obviously not yet been cleared. > Exactly where did lrh say the space aliens originated, and in which > volcanoes did they inhabit, and how long ago did theis happen, and what > mental health treatment did he recieve on which basis he developed his > views? The question of meds and kids is an important one, Yes, it is important, and, therefore, should not be subjected to hysterical hyperbole. Sadly, the anti-medication crowd uses only that. religious,not , > kooks are not the people to lead the discussion because they have > obviously not yet been cleared. Editorial (2000). Resisting smoke and spin. Lancet 355, 1197. > Of course, Jake, you realize that this is Breedings interpetation of the > situation, and, may not reflect reality. in some quarters there is increasing doubt as to how far President Bush's interpretation of situations reflect reality... http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg10310.html James Fallows's description of John Kerry's debating skills ("When George Meets John," July/August Atlantic) was interesting, but what was most remarkable was Fallows's documentation of President Bush's mostly overlooked changes over the past decade-specifically, "the striking decline in his sentence-by-sentence speaking skills." Fallows points to "speculations that there must be some organic basis for the President's peculiar mode of speech-a learning disability, a reading problem, dyslexia or some other disorder," but correctly concludes, "The main problem with these theories is that through his forties Bush was perfectly articulate." I, too, felt that something organic was wrong with President Bush, most probably dyslexia. But I was unaware of what Fallows pointed out so clearly: that Bush's problems have been developing slowly, and that just a decade ago he was an articulate debater, "artful indeed in steering questions and challenges to his desired subjects," who "did not pause before forcing out big words, as he so often does now, or invent mangled new ones." Consider, in contrast, the present: "the informal Q&As he has tried to avoid," "Bush's recent faltering performances," "his unfortunate puzzled-chimp expression when trying to answer questions," "his stalling, defensive pose when put on the spot," "speaking more slowly and less gracefully." Not being a professional medical researcher and clinician, Fallows cannot be faulted for not putting two and two together. But he was 100 percent correct in suggesting that Bush's problem cannot be "a learning disability, a reading problem, [or] dyslexia," because patients with those problems have always had them. Slowly developing cognitive deficits, as demonstrated so clearly by the President, can represent only one diagnosis, and that is "presenile dementia"! Presenile dementia is best described to nonmedical persons as a fairly typical Alzheimer's situation that develops significantly earlier in life, well before what is usually considered old age. It runs about the same course as typical senile dementias, such as classical Alzheimer's-to incapacitation and, eventually, death, as with President Ronald Reagan, but at a relatively earlier age. President Bush's "mangled" words are a demonstration of what physicians call "confabulation," and are almost specific to the dia! gnosis of a true dementia. Bush should immediately be given the advantage of a considered professional diagnosis, and started on drugs that offer the possibility of retarding the slow but inexorable course of the disease. Joseph M. Price, M.D. Carsonville, Mich. he whole of James Fallows's article on Bush and Kerry's debate styles was interesting, but one comment jumped out at me: "[Bush] has rarely been interested in the details of any policy matter, believing that he 'has people' who can master the subject for him." What further proof is needed that Bush's policy decisions are based on whatever his "people" choose to tell him? Naturally they will tell him whatever (and only whatever) supports their own agendas. Although, as Mary Beth Rogers says in the Fallows article, his "ability to stick to his message and repeat it" might be "remarkable," it implies to me that he doesn't know enough to answer questions that go beyond the text he has been given by his "people." I suspect that his "widely noted lack of eloquence" is due to his understandable insecurity. If the ideas he is expressing are not his ideas, based on his own knowledge and decision-making, then he can only repeat by rote what he has rehearsed. Bush's lack of interest in details gives unprecedented power to his advisers (read "puppeteers")-in this case the extremists of the military/industrial/religious-right coalition who are currently running the White House, the country, and, if they have their way, the world. We need an independent thinker in the Oval Office. Anne Carpenter Fair Haven, N.J. in the light of this ..David Oakes statement sounds fair comment "President Bush wants to test all Americans for 'mental illness,'" said David Oaks, Director of MindFreedom International, which unites 100 advocacy groups, "We demand that President Bush start with himself first. We will provide the mental health professional to do the screening." Hey, Timmy: Did you actually read the words that I wrote? If so, you did not understand them. And, Breeding is as anti-med as they come. Sorry that you reject appropriate trreatment. > Hey Mark, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-September 11, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 09-11-04@lambercartel.com> wrote in message news:<Iej1d.2233$G03.1538125@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>... > > > http://groups.msn.com/$cientologyKills > > > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This poster wil lrefer you to sites which follow the Kriminal Kult of > > $cientology party line. > Hey Mark, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tim The truth is your wife got better with meds and left you so instead of looking in the mirror, chickenshit that you are, you blame meds. Blame your wife. Blame anything but yourself, f.cking coward. > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > illnesses" like so-called ADHD, none of which have been validated as > real diseases by scientific medicine. Incorrect. Scientific studies have conclusively shown that the brains of people with ADHD are different than the brains of people without ADHD. Ditto for depression, Schizophrenia and other conditions. >The New Freedom Commission wants > to even more vigorously pursue the labeling and drugging of our > children, by screening ALL children and adults in the public schools > (and elsewhere) for signs of possible "mental illness." This really > means they are actively pursuing an expansion of the child market for > psychiatric pharmaceuticals. Or wants to make sure that all families know about possible ways their kids can be helped. > This declaration will be used in our effort to halt the policy > recommendations of the New Freedom Commission. We invite all concerned [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Algorithm Project (TMAP), which provides formulas recommending > specific psychotropic drugs to treat various "mental illnesses." Key word: Recommend. Physicians are required to use their best judgement based on the needs of the individual patient. > According to whistleblower reports, TMAP pushes an off-label drug > marketing scheme that appears to skirt federal law. We know, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > already an estimated 9-million school-age children on psychiatric > drugs. You mean you conjecture that this commissions are intended to encourage.... Unless you can do mind reading. > We consider this to represent a tragic situation, and a clear > and present danger to our children. Or a way to help kids. > This extraordinary intrusion of psychiatry into our schools shows a > blatant disregard of the public will, as demonstrated in the first > four years of this millennium by a number of resolutions, education > department statements and state laws, all defending a parent's right > to make treatment decisions for a child without coercion, and a > child's right to education without psychiatric labeling and drugs. None of these seem to be overidden by the new commission. It will be up to parents to decide how best to help their kids. They will be better informed now. > Through 2003, there have been at least 46 state bills or resolutions > supporting parental choice, in 28 states, that have either passed, or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Freedom Commission recommendations of extraordinary intrusion of > psychiatry into our schools, and refocus on authentic education. That is exactly what treatments for ADHD do for children with ADHD. > We object to the New Freedom Commission recommendations for many > reasons; these include scientific, legal, and moral or philosophic [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > or other physician has been scientifically demonstrated to be of > biological or genetic causation. Bullshit. ADHD has been shown to have genetic components; kids with ADHD have brains with biological differences with brains of kids who don't have ADHD. > There is no objective test, no > confirmatory physical or chemical abnormality, for Attention Deficit > Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), > Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, or any of the other > childhood diagnoses popular among psychiatrists. There is no objective test for Alzhiemer's disease, either. But it does not mean that it doesn't exist. There are clear guidelines from the American Psychiatric Assoc. on the diagnosis of these disorders. > These diagnoses are > wholly subjective, based on judgments of what is and isn't normal > behavior. No, they are not. The diagnoses are based on objective observations with specific criteria. No observation is 100% objective, but the diagnosis of ADHD and these other conditions is well established. > 2. Psychiatric drugs are dangerous: they are toxic and potentially > lethal. This is true of water and every other substance known to man. > There were 186 Ritalin-related heart deaths reported to the > Food and Drug Administration (FDA) during the 1990s. A Ritalin-related death only means that the death could possibly be related to Ritalin. > Because the > system of reporting is voluntary, experts believe that this figure > represents only 1-10 percent of the actual number of deaths. All of which might really be unrelated to Ritalin. > In other > words, from this one drug alone, during a ten-year period, there were > 1,800 to 18,000 deaths. Yet all of these deaths might not be related to Ritalin. > In addition, because of evidence indicating > their potential for inducing suicidal thinking and behavior in > children, the United Kingdom has banned, for children, the use of all > but one of the antidepressants known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake > Inhibitors (SSRI's such as Paxil, Zoloft, Celexa, Effexor and > Remeron). The FDA is investigating the matter. Good. Science in action. > Legally, we strongly insist on two revered concepts in United States > law, the doctrines of informed consent and the right to privacy. I totally agree with these as well as empowerment of families by knowing how they can help people. > The > doctrine of informed consent must be interpreted to mean that parents > have a legal right to sufficient information necessary to make a fully > informed choice on behalf of their children. Any mandatory mental > health screening is a gross violation. Parents have the right to agree or disagree with the results of physicians and other people from the school. > The right to privacy is a > fundamental American value; we see mandatory mental health screening > as direct violation of a liberty interest under Fourteenth Amendment > due process rights. What what are talking about? Schools have no right to treat kids without permission of their parents, except in emergency situations. > We consider New Freedom recommendations to be a serious threat not > only to our educational system, but most importantly to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the subjects of any form of implementation of New Freedom Commission > recommendations to screen our children for signs of "mental illness." Heaven forbid that we try to offer parents options for children who may benefit various treatments. Jeff > Contact Information > John Breeding [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Stressed? Anxious? Depressed? There ARE non-drug solutions! > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > people with ADHD are different than the brains of people without ADHD. > Ditto for depression, Schizophrenia and other conditions. If you asked a person to simply recall a happy experience his brain patterns would change. Evidence from scans do not show anything other than emotional influence on brain chemistry, and that is why they are not classed as valid diagnostic tools for "mental illnesses" by medical science. The problems with neuroimaging research and the manipulation of results into ADHD has been well documented. For more information see http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters/addadhd.msnw Psi -- http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters >> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda >> A Declaration Of Refusal To Comply With Any New Freedom Commission >> Mandate For Universal Mental Health Screening Of Children In The >> Schools >> Our declaration of refusal is a vigorous response to and rejection of >> the recommendations of the President's New Freedom Commission on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> illnesses" like so-called ADHD, none of which have been validated as >> real diseases by scientific medicine. >Incorrect. Scientific studies have conclusively shown that the brains of >people with ADHD are different than the brains of people without ADHD. >Ditto for depression, Schizophrenia and other conditions. And even if they are, does that give the government the right to decide how to treat the conditions? In fact, is ADHD a mental illness to be treated, or a disability, which may or may not affect the ability to learn, which should be accommodated? How often is boredom confused with it? As far as brains being different, there is now ample evidence that there is a difference in the brains of dyslexics, and that the difference is different in those of various languages. We have not checked the brains of the gifted as children, and these will be found to be different. It is not a good idea to try to make all the same, which the educational system sees as its major goal. .....................  SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 > >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > >> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > And even if they are, does that give the government the > right to decide how to treat the conditions? Not at all. Helping make sure that parents get information that can help their kids is not the same thing as treating the kids or making descisions for the parents. > In fact, > is ADHD a mental illness to be treated, or a disability, > which may or may not affect the ability to learn, which > should be accommodated? How often is boredom confused > with it? I don't know. That is why the children must be evaluated by a physician prior to the diagnosis and all involved parties consulted. In addition, other conditions that can cause attnetion problems have to be ruled out, as well. > As far as brains being different, there is now ample > evidence that there is a difference in the brains of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > all the same, which the educational system sees as its > major goal. I don't see it that way. I see as the educational system is trying to allow each child to reach his or her potential. Jeff > ..................... Good post. You made the excellent points I would have. > > >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > > >> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > ..................... >> >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters >> >> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda ............... >> And even if they are, does that give the government the >> right to decide how to treat the conditions? >Not at all. Helping make sure that parents get information that can help >their kids is not the same thing as treating the kids or making descisions >for the parents. The government is going to help anyone get honest information on something which the politically powerful educational establishment and the politically powerful moralists both have opinions? >> In fact, >> is ADHD a mental illness to be treated, or a disability, >> which may or may not affect the ability to learn, which >> should be accommodated? How often is boredom confused >> with it? >I don't know. That is why the children must be evaluated by a physician >prior to the diagnosis and all involved parties consulted. In addition, >other conditions that can cause attnetion problems have to be ruled out, as >well. Are "attention problems" necessarily bad? Do you want to hypnotize the children so they are not using their brains for the duration of the meaningless lecture? >> As far as brains being different, there is now ample >> evidence that there is a difference in the brains of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> all the same, which the educational system sees as its >> major goal. >I don't see it that way. I see as the educational system is trying to allow >each child to reach his or her potential. If it wanted to do anything in that direction, it would have to abolish the idea of placing children in classes according to age, and also provide educational guides who are themselves more than just bright, and who will not accept the dumbed-down ideas of the educationists. Keeping someone with mathematical ability in the current elementary school junk at age 10, instead of strong rigorous high school and college material, taught as concepts and structure, is deliberate hindrance with allowing children to reach any kind of potential. I am inclined to think that anyone who can intelligently use mathematics could do the above; this excludes most of the current teachers. SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 (...) > >Not at all. Helping make sure that parents get information that can help > >their kids is not the same thing as treating the kids or making descisions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > educational establishment and the politically powerful > moralists both have opinions? That is up to the mental health or other professionals who will be screening the children. > >> In fact, > >> is ADHD a mental illness to be treated, or a disability, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Are "attention problems" necessarily bad? Other things that can cause attention problems include stresses in the family life (illness, illness in a family member, difficult home situations, like poverty), depression, being bullied at school and medical problems. So the attention problems can be a symptom of a problem. > Do you want to > hypnotize the children so they are not using their brains > for the duration of the meaningless lecture? No, I would rather the teacher lead his class in such a way that each child wants to pay attention and participate. (...) Jeff (...) .................... >> Are "attention problems" necessarily bad? >Other things that can cause attention problems include stresses in the >family life (illness, illness in a family member, difficult home situations, >like poverty), depression, being bullied at school and medical problems. >So the attention problems can be a symptom of a problem. >> Do you want to >> hypnotize the children so they are not using their brains >> for the duration of the meaningless lecture? >No, I would rather the teacher lead his class in such a way that each child >wants to pay attention and participate. (...) This can only be the case if those in the class are of roughly comparable abilities and backgrounds. This Procrustean "goal" is fortunately not the case. SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters >> Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] >> Stressed? Anxious? Depressed? There ARE non-drug solutions! >> http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters Good post. Sounds like an attempt to increase sales for big pharma. TC > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > Stressed? Anxious? Depressed? There ARE non-drug solutions! > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > Sounds like an attempt to increase sales for big pharma. > > TC Sounds like only a small step on behalf of government to expand it's scope. When you have universal health care then the pharm companies have to deal directly with governments like in Canada and the people have no choice at all. Let's see, government in charge of the schools and government in charge of the health care so why the outrage at such consolidation? It comes in quite handy as they can then handout condoms and birth control pills at school as it will be free. They can get pharm companies into the schools with the morning after pill for birth control. The government can also declare who is mentally ill based on inappropriate anti-government criteria. Anyone opposed to mental health screening must be mentally ill themselves. > > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters > > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > > Stressed? Anxious? Depressed? There ARE non-drug solutions! > > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters >> Sounds like an attempt to increase sales for big pharma. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > inappropriate anti-government criteria. Anyone opposed to mental > health screening must be mentally ill themselves. The rantings of usenet paranoids are always entertaining. |
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