> I would give it roughly a few months. They are generally very stable and
> vary little over months. Triglycerides are somewhat more volatile. It is
> very difficult to get major changes with diet alone.
It depends on the intervention. Minimal interventions yield
minimal or very slow responses. In the Jenkins very high
fiber diet intervention, maximum lipid reductions occured in
one week-- PMID: 11288049. This was a very primitive diet
with enormous quantities of soluble fruit and vegetable fibers.
> Life style changes are
> often difficult to sustain for long periods of time as any weight loss
> program shows.
Yes. Only the excceptionally motivated sustain results.
Robert - 12 Sep 2004 20:11 GMT
> > I would give it roughly a few months. They are generally very stable and
> > vary little over months. Triglycerides are somewhat more volatile. It is
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> one week-- PMID: 11288049. This was a very primitive diet
> with enormous quantities of soluble fruit and vegetable fibers.
The study was for only two weeks which is why several months is more a
reflection of lifestyle changes rather than a week of being good.
It was a malicious question intended to undermine the intent of the test.
People want to cheat on themselves and I am a believer on surprise testing
such as drug screening.
> > Life style changes are
> > often difficult to sustain for long periods of time as any weight loss
> > program shows.
>
> Yes. Only the excceptionally motivated sustain results.
> It really is unproductive to blame it all on diet or lack of exercise.
> Phase two involves getting put on meds or rationalizing your high
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> not need to. The only problem is that they don't know how to separate them
> out yet.
Wow, you surprised me once again :) I have not expected as reasonable
statements from you :)
Only one "correction" - it is not true that "most" people with CAD have
high TC - correlation is just that those with very low TC (less than
160) have half of CAD than people with TC > 240. Going from TC to
TC/HDL, prediction power of lipid panel improves, but there is still a
lot of people with "good" lipid panel and CAD. Interesting is that even
for those with good TC/HDL and low LDL statins work. That is why LDL
target guidelines are still going down. I just wonder when they stop
prescribing statins based on LDL targets... (then all that stuff would
make sense to me).
Mirek
Robert - 12 Sep 2004 20:03 GMT
> > It really is unproductive to blame it all on diet or lack of exercise.
> > Phase two involves getting put on meds or rationalizing your high
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> Wow, you surprised me once again :) I have not expected as reasonable
> statements from you :)
????
> Only one "correction" - it is not true that "most" people with CAD have
> high TC -
I wasn't only speaking of TC but all lipid sub fractions Lp(a), small LDL,
and everything else not reflected in the TC, the apparent normal TC people
with heart attacks.
correlation is just that those with very low TC (less than
> 160) have half of CAD than people with TC > 240. Going from TC to
> TC/HDL, prediction power of lipid panel improves, but there is still a
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>
> Mirek