Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / September 2004
TAURINE!
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poise - 10 Sep 2004 17:58 GMT Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most underestimated and understudied field in immunology.
Taurine, of course, goes well beyond antioxidation--as Alf Christophersen is well aware.
I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast.
Larry Hoover - 10 Sep 2004 18:10 GMT > Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most > underestimated and understudied field in immunology. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast. I find it also to clear my head if I am under cognitive fatigue, and it also reverses the acute effects of exposure to glutamate, as from "Chinese food syndrome".
Lar
Rusty - 10 Sep 2004 22:12 GMT >>Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most >>underestimated and understudied field in immunology. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lar What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?
GroanUp - 11 Sep 2004 01:38 GMT >What is 'Chinese food syndrome'? Back in the 1990s it was believed that MSG ( monosodium glutamate ), sold in NA under the name "Accent", caused all kinds of health problems. MSG is a flavour enhancer often used in chinese food.
In fact there's no reliable evidence for MSG causing health problems in the general population.
Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in headaches etc. The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is likely psychosomatic.
- GU -
Larry Hoover - 11 Sep 2004 19:00 GMT >>What is 'Chinese food syndrome'?
> Like many other foods, MSG may affect individuals, resulting in headaches > etc. > The MSG effect ( chinese food syndrome ) in many ( most? ) cases is likely > psychosomatic. You were doing reasonably well, until you stooped to characterizing those so afflicted. It is obvious that you are not sensitive to bolus ingestion of MSG. There is nothing whatsoever psychosomatic about it, for me. It is a clearly defined, and symptomatically consistent experience. Exogenous glutamate can certainly have systemic effects. I was very glad to have discovered that exogenous taurine is an antidote, just as taurine suppresses glutamate sensitivity in the CNS.
Lar
Piezzo Guru - 11 Sep 2004 19:25 GMT How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they experience it? Isn't that a ridiculous statement?
I agree with you that MSG is very detrimental to many people, having experienced it in my family myself, but the logic of your statement behoovers me.
> >>What is 'Chinese food syndrome'? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lar Larry Hoover - 12 Sep 2004 20:41 GMT > How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they > experience > it? Isn't that a ridiculous statement? Of course, you don't. That doesn't make it ridiculous. Psychosomatic suffering is real suffering. The ability to link it (satisfactorily, in the concepts of the categorizer) to a particular cause is neither proof nor disproof of the existence of the complaint.
> I agree with you that MSG is very detrimental to many people, having > experienced it in my family myself, but the logic of your statement > behoovers me. The plausibility of a mechanism is often confused with evidence for or against causality. Disproving the mechanism does not disprove the observed syndrome. The studies to date do not disprove the involvement of MSG, but only reflect the inability of pure MSG to induce the symptoms of Chinese Food Syndrome, under the conditions extent during the study.
Lar
Piezzo Guru - 12 Sep 2004 22:45 GMT That is why I, myself, believe more in testimonials than double-blind, peer reviewed, repeatable studies most of the time. Anybody that can spend the money involved has a payback for the results. negative results are hidden.
> > How would one know that it isn't psychosomatic just because they > > experience [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Lar GroanUp - 11 Sep 2004 22:05 GMT >>>What is 'Chinese food syndrome'? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Lar I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance. The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In blinded tests, those who were sure they were sensitive to MSG failed to react to even enormous doses in food." - GU -
Larry Hoover - 11 Sep 2004 23:38 GMT > I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance. > The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > enormous doses in food." > - GU - Aren't you a snot?
Then maybe it's not MSG that's the sole culprit. "Chinese Food Syndrome" is real, whether or not we've adequately explained it via reductionist science.
Lar
GroanUp - 12 Sep 2004 05:59 GMT >> I apologize to anyone with genuine MSG intolerance. >> The September 2004 U of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter states: "In [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Then maybe it's not MSG that's the sole culprit. Good point. The Wellness Letter didn't elaborate vis-à-vis the specific food items to which MSG was added. It's possible that while MSG per se is safe, used in conjunction with certain other ingredients it may initiate the so-called chinese food syndrome. - GU -
magnulus - 13 Sep 2004 01:57 GMT I eat MSG all the time... no problems. I use Accent in cooking quite a bit. MSG is best used, though, in meatless dishes or soups. Usually mushrooms, cheese, seaweed, peas, and meat, etc. already have glutamate in them, so using glutamate with those foods is not so necessary.
"Chinese Food Syndrome" might be a glycemic response to the large amonut of starch/sugar in some Chinese restaurant foods (General Tso's with a large side of white rice, etc.). It also might be due to the higher amount of salt used in Chinese cooking. People also tend to eat alot at these places. The results can be the person experiences fatigue due to digestion. So there's no single cause.
They have found that elderly people with anorexia (loss of apetite- not the mental disease), ate more food when MSG was used, vs. when it was not. The study was funded by the company that makes Accent, but it's still significant.
Piezzo Guru - 13 Sep 2004 04:28 GMT But they are still hungry an hour later.
> I eat MSG all the time... no problems. I use Accent in cooking quite a > bit. MSG is best used, though, in meatless dishes or soups. Usually [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The study was funded by the company that makes Accent, but it's still > significant. nomail - 11 Sep 2004 20:45 GMT I'm surprised you take it in the morning. Its effect on me is to make me sleepy, though I do take twice as much as you. In fact, it's helped mitigate my insomnia quite a bit. I also notice I have more vivid dreams now that I take it which seems to make me more relaxed during waking hours too. Taurine is wonderful and I recommend it to anyone who suffers from insomnia.
Piezzo Guru - 12 Sep 2004 02:26 GMT You are wasting your money. Amino acids (free form) should always be taken alone, without foods.
Free form amino acids tend to bond to other amino acids and form proteins which will then do you no more good than eating some meat or other foods. The trick is to get them absorbed through the stomach and/or intestinal walls before the combine with other aminos and have to go through digestion to break them apart.
Always take free form amino acids at least 10-20 minutes before eating.
> Taurine and its biproducts from its antioxidant mechanisms are the most > underestimated and understudied field in immunology. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I take 500 mg a day, with breakfast. poise - 12 Sep 2004 21:53 GMT Taking amino acids in the free form is completely unnatural and not suitable for long-term usage. Taking with food simply supplements the diet, which is my intent, and which is why my taurine does not make me drowsy.
Piezzo Guru - 15 Sep 2004 00:32 GMT LOL
Go to bed!
> Taking amino acids in the free form is completely unnatural and not suitable > for long-term usage. Taking with food simply supplements the diet, which is > my intent, and which is why my taurine does not make me drowsy.
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