Re: Iron / hepatitis / HIV / antioxidant depletion / repletion

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markd@toad-net.com - 08 Sep 2004 15:51 GMT

Nothing about iron in the abstract. Are we seeing iron under every bed
these days? They did say eat lots of high protein food, which one can
safely assume means meat. Poof, sputter, flop goes the thesis.

>BOTH hepatitis and HIV .. load .. iron ..
>
>http://tinyurl.com/6yrs6
>http://tinyurl.com/66sbh
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>Iron oxidizes / rusts .. destroying antioxidants .
>
>http://tinyurl.com/57v6j
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><<snip>>
>considerable benefit should accrue from antioxidant repletion at dosages
>substantially above recommended daily allowances (RDAs)
><<snip>>
>
>Exp Mol Pathol. 2004 Oct;77(2):121-32. Related Articles, Links
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>Oxidative stress in viral hepatitis and AIDS.
>
>Stehbens WE.
>
>Department of Pathology and Molecular Medicine, Wellington School of Medicine
>and Health Sciences, Wellington, New Zealand.
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>Dominant types of viral hepatitis are presently A, B, and C with prophylactic
>immunization available only for A and B. Hepatitis B and C and human
>immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection constitute a worldwide scourge and
>treatment is far from satisfactory. Each produces severe oxidative stress (OS)
>and secondary cellular damage of varying severity and, as in toxic hepatitis,
>progression and regression are dependent on redox balance between oxidation and
>antioxidation. Experimental and clinical studies suggest that xenobiotics and
>coinfections exert cumulative, detrimental effects on their pathogeneses and
>further deplete antioxidants. It is proposed therefore that in the clinical
>management of these infections and especially in their early stages,
>considerable benefit should accrue from antioxidant repletion at dosages
>substantially above recommended daily allowances (RDAs) in conjunction with a
>nutritious high protein diet. Because plasma zinc and selenium concentrations
>are very low, their replenishment by high dosages is urgent and mandatory
>particularly in advanced HIV infections bordering on acrodermatitis
>enteropathica. Also recommended is their long-term continuance at high normal
>levels.
>
>PMID: 15351235 [PubMed - in process]
>
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>Tom
>Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
>Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
>DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Manky Badger - 08 Sep 2004 19:14 GMT

> Nothing about iron in the abstract. Are we seeing iron under every bed
> these days? They did say eat lots of high protein food, which one can
> safely assume means meat. Poof, sputter, flop goes the thesis.

Is it a thesis ?

In all honesty between the rants on iron, anti-oxidants, crackpot religions,
being called a dildo, being threatened with fisticuffs, and papers that seem
totally unrelated to all of this I must admit that I've rather lost the gist
of the "iron hypothesis".

What, in a nutshell, was the argument again ?

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markd@toad-net.com - 08 Sep 2004 19:25 GMT

Regarding the "iron thesis":

"What, in a nutshell, was the argument again ?"

He learned from a book a way to decode the "real" hidden message in the
bible. When done it said we are not to eat meat and the
punishment/consequence for doing so is disease and death from the iron in
it. He learned from another book that too much iron can have problems.
He learned that iron causes oxidation sometimes. Then he used a spray gun
to connect all the dots. Thus, to obey scribture, to control oxidation,
to control disease and death don't eat meat, use antiox substances, use
iron binders, and do blood letting; all to reduce our iron levels because
iron is the cause of all disease. The abstracts/info he posts are in his
mind addressing one or another of the dots.

That's the very short version. Just as an intresting aside, the "Jesus
was a veggie" notion is made to fit his thesis by saying that scripture
and info in it showing clearly He ate meat are corruptions added later by
others; all this to make it come out right of course.

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