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Abdominal pain?

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Larisa - 07 Sep 2004 23:15 GMT
Hi all,

I have recently decided to switch to a vegetarian diet, for health
reasons (I read a lot about the cardiovascular benefits).  However,
whenever I refrain from eating meat for more than 2 days straight, I
start getting a pain in my upper abdomen, in the middle (occasionally
spreading a little to the right side).  When I eat meat, the pain goes
away.  It's never very severe or very serious, but it is there, and I
have never had any digestive problems before, so I'm nervous.

Can someone tell what this is, and what causes it?  I've obviously
gone back to eating meat - I have no desire to damage my health - but
I'd like to know why it happens this way.

Thanks!

LM
MilkyWhy - 08 Sep 2004 02:34 GMT
>whenever I refrain from eating meat for more than 2 days straight, I
>start getting a pain in my upper abdomen, in the middle (occasionally
>spreading a little to the right side).  

My guess is that it is "in your head", psychosomatic. The solar plexus region
seems to be a focus for referral of stress pain, emotional turmoil. I'm
guessing that your body coupled with your mind is rebelling a bit at making the
change over. Btw, I am not a vegetarian, but do eat less meat and more
vegetables and fruit, now that I am older. I may go a week and not eat meat,
but I do not notice any symptoms that you mention. When I am under stress
though, I DO get odd pain sensations in that same area you mention.
Larisa - 09 Sep 2004 02:33 GMT
> >whenever I refrain from eating meat for more than 2 days straight, I
> >start getting a pain in my upper abdomen, in the middle (occasionally
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> but I do not notice any symptoms that you mention. When I am under stress
> though, I DO get odd pain sensations in that same area you mention.

Hmm.  Possibly, but I've been through some horrible stress in my life
(not recently, though), and my stomach hasn't misbehaved.  I did react
to it with physical symptoms, just not abdominal ones.

And I haven't been rebelling at all at the idea of vegetarianism.
Maybe it was subconscious rebellion, I guess, but it must be very
deeply buried, then, because I haven't been feeling it at all.

I do, however, notice that I'm starving all the time.  It's a little
better if I eat beans, but I still don't stay full for very long, even
if I really stuff myself.

LM
Lictor - 09 Sep 2004 16:15 GMT
> I do, however, notice that I'm starving all the time.  It's a little
> better if I eat beans, but I still don't stay full for very long, even
> if I really stuff myself.

Errrr... Are you sure this is not plain old *hunger*? I mean, when hunger
gets intense enough (and you're not in ketosis), it can get a bit painful,
or create stress that cause psychosomatic pains... Did you cut your calories
a lot while switching to your new diet? Usually, people recognize hunger as
such, but some are quite unable to do so. It seems we can experience
specific hunger (usually with specific cravings) when we haven't eaten
enough proteins (actually, some authors claim it can be amino-acid
specific). Beans are a decent source of proteins, though not as dense as
meat.
How did you design your vegeratarian diet? Do you still eat cheese, milk,
eggs? What did you replace meat with? The more you remove animal products,
the more careful you have to be with designing your diet, because you have
to build your own complete proteins from the uncomplete proteins you find in
vegetables. That's where you could benefits from the advice of a long term
vegetarian, a dietitian or a nutritionist...
nospam@aol.com - 08 Sep 2004 07:46 GMT
You said the upper abdomen.  Do you mean your stomach.  Where is the pain in
relation to your belly button?

Ora

>Hi all,
>
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>
>LM
Rabbit - 09 Sep 2004 06:54 GMT
tell me your detailed diet list including the type and amount. it would
be better if you can tell the cooking method for those vegetables.
Larisa - 09 Sep 2004 19:28 GMT
> tell me your detailed diet list including the type and amount. it would
> be better if you can tell the cooking method for those vegetables.

Hm.  I'm very disorganized; I don't keep a diet list as such.  Here's
what I eat, most of the time:

Lots of fresh salads (salad greens, tomatoes, cucumbers, soybeans,
beets, carrots, corn, olives, feta cheese and eggs);

stewed veggies such as potatoes, carrots, beans, and mushrooms; grains
such as buckwheat (which I like) or quinoa (which I've been trying,
but haven't liked).

Bread, almond butter, jam of various kinds, cheese.  Lots of nuts of
various kinds.

I really don't keep track of amounts, alas.  I just eat until I don't
want to eat anymore.  :)  I do, however, notice that I'm a lot
hungrier than when I ate meat.

LM
Rabbit - 10 Sep 2004 12:28 GMT
Since I don't know the detail of your body status and your diet, I can
only make a guess. There's one possible reason that you probably ate
too much fiber. Too much fiber would cause a faster intestine and colon
peristalsis. That may, sometimes, make you feel painful around the area
of belly button.
it's only a guess. I feel that you don't have a nutritionist to guide
you through this.  I suggest you should ask one for some advice or
you'd better read some book about dietary.
 
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