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Multi's started to cause headaches.. WHY?

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Scott N - 02 Sep 2004 00:18 GMT
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I am a 31 year old white male who has been a heavy advocate of
Vitamins and supplements all my adolecent life. Routinely taking
various vitamins and supplements over the years. Multi's, Q10, E,
oils, etc. I pretty much have used them all at one point and have used
Multi's consistently all through my 20's. I have spent a lot of time
and money in making sure I used the so called top of the line Multi's,
especially LEF MultiMix once I found them in my late 20's. Never one
to just use what was available at the local Health Food store (Solgar,
Twinlabs, etc).

Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
barrier. I have 100% determined that Multi's give me headaches. I
found this through Trial. I started to suffer headaches it for which I
thought was either my sinuses, allergies, or some other ailement I
might have developed or has gotten to point of affecting me. For about
a year, I just could not pin point the cause and thought it was just
allergies and could never determine what triggered them with any
consistency.

Until one day I was speaking with my mother and she had told me that
she suffers bad headaches from vitamins and that when she was
young/pregnant, her docter put her on vitamins that gave her headaches
and how she was never able to take vitamins because of headaches. So
that instantly triggered a light for me and  I stopped cold turkey
from ALL of my supplements to experiment. This was earlier this year
and for about about a month or two. And for the whole time I was
headache FREE.

Not believing it, I started back up on my LEF. The FIRST day within a
few hours of taking, I started to get a headache. I still persisted
with my second dose for the day and by nighttime my headache was so
bad I had to take an Advil (which helps btw). The headaches are on my
right side and towards the front and middle-right of my head. It is
not a sharp pain, but a constant "pressure" which just nags and takes
away from me doing anything as the nagging is really just bothersome.

So I stopped cold turkey again for a month and ordered a Multi from
VRP thinking that maybe LEF had some ingredient I somehow got allergic
to or something that shouldn't be in there. Nope, VRP gave me SAME
symptoms. I sent them back and remained off Vitamims (Multi's) since.
That was back in June. I still took Q10, and some Fish Oil with no
problems. Then I was at Health store and decided to pick up some
Solgar's to just try and see. HEADACHE (although not as pronounced as
the more powerful LEF/VRP's). At the same time I picked up some
Ionic-Fizz stuff (Calcium/mag supplement with some C and a few
others).  I stopped the Solgar but continued with the Fizz drink. No
problems.

So SOMETHING or a combonation of somethings have started to definetly
started to cause headaches for me in Multi's after 30 or so. But
WHAT?? And WHY?
All of this has started to lead me to believe that supplements are
just a waste and that something that was supposed to be 'natural' and
needed by the body, has now started to get rejected. Could I just be
more sensitive to this than majority who never feel it? Could possibly
Genetics play a role in this?? And if so, why did it develop ALL of a
sudden? Is there possibly something wrong with me that Vitamins maybe
triggering a response to?

I wonder. But in meantime, no more multi's for me. It feels weird as I
feel I am cheating my body now as I have always been a believer in a
daily Multi. But this has shed light on me to just skip the so called
shortcuts and now start to take real natural path...Healthier eating
to give your body what it needs, not some PILL.. I even may look into
Whole food drinks, etc.

Thanks
Scott
Heather - 02 Sep 2004 02:10 GMT
"Scott N" <bigslick@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
> Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
> barrier. I have 100% determined that Multi's give me headaches...
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> Thanks
> Scott

Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
or nutritionally imbalance something.  There is quite a bit on the
sidedness of headaches and their nutritional causes on this web
site: www.acu-cell.com/dis-hea.html  which may offer some
explanation of why some of these ingredients are causing your
headaches.
As far as the "all-of-a-sudden-onset" is concerned --, it's hard
to tell why turning 30 would trigger them, but requirements for
certain nutrients do change for some people as they get older,
or as they develop specific medical conditions (high blood
pressure, low blood sugar, etc.), so perhaps the types and
amount of nutrients supplied in the multies you tried just don't
agree with your system any longer.
Heather
Piezzo Guru - 02 Sep 2004 04:07 GMT
Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.

Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.

> "Scott N" <bigslick@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
> > Anyway, Once I hit 30 or a little after, I seemed to have hit a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> agree with your system any longer.
> Heather
MikeL - 02 Sep 2004 13:09 GMT
>Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
>garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.
>
>Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.

Whar sources might those be?
Piezzo Guru - 03 Sep 2004 04:14 GMT
Magnesium oxide does not disolve in your digestive system. Iron blocks the
uptake of vitamin E and the list can go on forever. Calcium carbonate is
garbage. Companies that combine all the vitamins usually have no idea of
mixing compounds for absorption, neither do they care.

> >Have to agree with that one. Any multivitamins s I have seen are mostly
> >garbage sources and will hurt you sooner or later.
> >
> >Just stop taking them for a few weeks and see what happens.
> >
> Whar sources might those be?
Scott N - 03 Sep 2004 12:42 GMT
> Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
> provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
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> agree with your system any longer.
> Heather

Thanks for all the interesting replies. All very insightful.

Heather,
 Your is a VERY interesting reply and a search of this newsgroup came
across some older threads regarding this different side thing as well.
Why I find it very interesting is the fact that I have mentioned that
the headaches occur on the right side of my head. So this would make
the right list what I should be having problems with and the left list
are ingredients I should be able to tolerate. I mentioned in my
original post I am still taking a product called Ionic-Fizz I picked
up at store that just looked good for me at the time as I was looking
for a calcium drink. And this product does not give me any problems
what so ever. Take a look at the list in the link you provided and
then look at this ingredient list:

Ionic Magnesium 300 mg
Ionic Calcium 250 mg
Ionic Zinc 2 mg
Ionic Manganese 1 mg
Ionic Copper 250 mcg
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) 250 mg
Vitamin A (palmitate) 250 mg
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 1 mg
Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin) 30 mcg
Vitamin D (ergocalciferol) 100 IU
Folic acid 50 mcg
Ionic Potassium 100 mg
Ionic Boron 500 mcg
Silica (horsetail herb) 1 mg

This product just about shares both sides of the list and questions
the claims of that theory. I suspect, as mentioned in my other thread
at sci-life-extension, that it is a grown allergic reaction to a
filler/binder. Or possibly a deficiency in something that a multi
alone is not correcting? Or some kind of conflicting dose ratio?

Actually, this headache incident with Multi's and the ensuing search
for a reason has shaken up my whole belief in supplements even more.
The above example is one reason. It seems more and more to me that
this is such an inexact science with conflicting ideas of ideal
supplementation and dose, that one might be better off not taking
them? Just as Piezzo mentioned in this thread, I doubt the supplement
makers follow published mixing conflicts (along with the UNKNOWN ones
yet to be discovered), poor absorbtion conclusions of cheaper
ingredients, natural vs synthetic, etc and as stated...nor do they
care. Marketing is the prime concern. Probably even over
quality/purity?

Keep any thoughts coming.

Scott N
Piezzo Guru - 04 Sep 2004 02:32 GMT
This Ionic company is so ashamed of their product that have to make up names
for the real compounds in their product?

> > Since your headaches are one-sided, maybe the multies don't
> > provide the balance your body needs, and actually chemically
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>
> Scott N
Heather - 04 Sep 2004 06:08 GMT
> Heather,
> Why I find it very interesting is the fact that I have mentioned that
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> This product just about shares both sides of the list and questions
> the claims of that theory.

Actually, the way I see it, only calcium and magnesium would
(barely) have any impact since the amounts of the other
ingredients are basically too low to have any effect at all.
Since magnesium is much higher than calcium given the usual
1:2 calcium-magnesium ratio, this formulation would favor
lessening a right-sided headache provided you are the appropriate
"A or B" headache type.  But again, it is doubtful that even
calcium or magnesium at those levels would do anything.

I use nothing but that acu-cell method for headaches myself now,
and the first time in my life I am almost completely headache-free,
or I can at least get rid of one within a reasonable time period.
Tylenol or Aspirin-types of drugs give me more headaches or other
problems, and I just haven't found anything else that helps.

> I suspect, as mentioned in my other thread
> at sci-life-extension, that it is a grown allergic reaction to a
> filler/binder. Or possibly a deficiency in something that a multi
> alone is not correcting? Or some kind of conflicting dose ratio?

Swiss Herbal company sells two manganese tabs, one with herbal
fillers, and the other with plain fillers.  I know 2 people who both
had originally taken the type with the herbal fillers and one got a
rash, and the other a headache with them, but neither had any
problems after switching to the tabs with the plain fillers, despite
both being sold by the same company.

> Actually, this headache incident with Multi's and the ensuing search
> for a reason has shaken up my whole belief in supplements even more.
> The above example is one reason. It seems more and more to me that
> this is such an inexact science with conflicting ideas of ideal
> supplementation and dose, that one might be better off not taking
> them?

The dictionary says that a supplement is "something added to
complete a thing, or supply a deficiency" - so when you take a multi,
you aren't really fulfilling that term because even though you may
improve one depleted situation, you are doing the same thing with
those nutrients that are not deficient, so they may actually become
too high.
In other words, if you take a GENERAL nutritional supplement,
you may ward off a true deficiency (rare in the Western world),
but if not, you are not likely to improve your health significantly
given the possibility that some of the things that are already high
will go even higher.

If you take a SPECIFIC supplement (matched to what you actually
need), then you obviously create the potential to both - improve your
health, and your longevity.  Of course this will only happen if you
have any nutritional (genetic) weak spots that you can iron out with
a supplement, because if you are genetically fit, then a supplement
will be a waste of time.  Those who "eat, drink, and be merry" and
live to a ripe old age without any regards to proper eating habits
prove that over and over again.
Heather
 
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