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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2004

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US has best High tech healthcare in the world

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tcomeau - 24 Aug 2004 20:32 GMT
Now if only US citizens could enjoy it:

Shrinking coverage stings those on individual plans

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040824-9999-1n24self.html

Makes you want to trade in your US citizenship for Canadian
landed-immigration status.

TC
Lictor - 26 Aug 2004 09:35 GMT
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040824-9999-1n24self.html

Makes me glad not to be American... Socialized healthcare has its
advantages... When I think my girlfriend pays $17/month (and her employer
$60) to get *premium* coverage on top of socialized healthcare, and that the
coverage includes me, even though we're not even married, and despite the
fact that I have diabete (not that they asked me anyway, never had any visit
to do or even paper to fill except to tell them that I exist)... If I were
to emigrate, healthcare would be a major reason to pick Canada (not that
their healthcare is that great) over the USA.
I thought the deal with private healthcare was that it was cheaper for
healthy people...
Robert - 26 Aug 2004 19:31 GMT
> > http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040824-9999-1n24self.html
>
> Makes me glad not to be American... Socialized healthcare has its
> advantages... When I think my girlfriend pays $17/month (and her employer
> $60) to get *premium* coverage on top of socialized healthcare, and that the

Let me get this right. You pay for socialized healthcare by a hefty tax and
in addition you pay more for Premium coverage?
So screw those who can not afford the premium coverage?
I missed something here. Why do you need to pay extra? Do you get to cut in
line faster or more care you would not normally get?

> coverage includes me, even though we're not even married, and despite the
> fact that I have diabete (not that they asked me anyway, never had any visit
> to do or even paper to fill except to tell them that I exist)... If I were
> to emigrate, healthcare would be a major reason to pick Canada (not that
> their healthcare is that great) over the USA.
I agree if you are sick and need healthcare I would pick Canada also.
Everybody that is sick out there like HIV and need constant medical care
then by all means pick Canada.

> I thought the deal with private healthcare was that it was cheaper for
> healthy people...

Diabetics are healthy?
GMCarter - 27 Aug 2004 11:04 GMT
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>Let me get this right. You pay for socialized healthcare by a hefty tax and
>in addition you pay more for Premium coverage?
>So screw those who can not afford the premium coverage?

Wow! Compassion! How cool....now what do you think about 45 MILLION of
us having NO INSURANCE in the richest country on the planet????

Single payer is a BASIS. Like public education. It is a way to help
our people be healthier and smarter. Hey, if you're rich, the kiddies
can go to a private school.

It CAN be something for EVERYONE that is a basic right.

        George M. Carter
Lictor - 27 Aug 2004 12:19 GMT
> Snip
> >
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> Wow! Compassion! How cool....now what do you think about 45 MILLION of
> us having NO INSURANCE in the richest country on the planet????

Bah, OP doesn't seem to get through my news server, using the reply...

Especially if you consider that the poor in France get their private
insurance paid by the state, so those who cannot afford premium coverage are
not screwed, they just get it for free... Besides, the socialized healthcare
is good enough that neither me nor my gf had any private insurance until
last year - just because we did not see the point in having one. And we only
got one because that's part of her work benefits.
As for my hefty tax, I have to remind you that my whole healthcare,
including private insurance, it still a lot less expensive than the crapy
*public* US healthcare. I mean, the one you pay with your taxes, but don't
even benefit from. Talk about being screwed.

> Single payer is a BASIS. Like public education. It is a way to help
> our people be healthier and smarter. Hey, if you're rich, the kiddies
> can go to a private school.
>
> It CAN be something for EVERYONE that is a basic right.

Yes, it's like education... Most private schools are for losers here -
religious schools or schools for noble rich with too much inbreeding. The
best French schools are public anyway, and free. Most of our politicians and
managers went to public schools, do you think it's because they were too
poor to afford a private school? And the few quality private schools (mostly
business schools) are not that expensive (most expensive, HEC, is around
$10,000/year) and can get paid both from public (revenue based only - you're
poor, you automatically get one) and private grants (academic or revenue
based). Medical schools are all public and almost free. I paid $100 a year
for my education, in one of the top universities of the country. And the
state gave me $350 per month since I was poor to pay for my books, food and
the like, so I could focus on studying instead of on flipping burgers. I
also had a private health insurance for extra health cover in the package.
Besides, you can't compare the American BASIS to ours. Noone in his right
mind would settle for only the American basis. On the other hand, French
public health insurance covers all the major risks. If you don't get any
additionnal insurance, you will only have to pay a small fee for doctors
visits (around $6) and drugs (30% of the costs).
Keep in mind that drugs are much less expensive here than they are in the
US. For instance, Prandin 0.5mg x 90 is worth $18 in France versus $90
(drugstore.com) - even with basic coverage only, this means paying $5 out of
my pocket. And this is an expensive drug here, because there is no generics
yet. Likewise, Alprazolam (Xanax) is worth $4 here 0.5mg x 30 ($1.2 out of
my pocket) versus $8 in the USA (drugstore.com), it's even worse if you look
at the brand name at $35 in the USA versus $6 in France ($1.8 out of my
pocket). This means that even with only the basic public insurance, you can
cure something basic like a paryngitis for under $15, drugs and doctor
included.
Same for lab results, hospital and all... My gf cut her hand pretty deeply,
and had to get stitches and several exams to make sure no nerve had been
cut, including x-ray. She also had to have a nurse check the stitches, renew
the bandage and all for a couple of weeks. The total cost of that was under
$20, with only basic public insurance. Same with my 2 y.o. brother getting
brain surgery - so far, this has included four scanners, several exams,
counselling with various doctors, a visit to a few private sector doctors
because my father wanted a couple of alternative opinions... So far, the
grand total cost of all that has been $0 - all covered by the basic
insurance. When he finally has surgery, he will have to spend a nights at
the hospital, and then, my father will have to pay around $15 per night -
for the bed and food. That's when the private insurance will kick in to
cover the cost. $15 for a brain surgery by one of the top surgeon in the
country, a bed for night in an European capital city and a meal is not that
expensive... That's cheaper than an hotel room in the worst part of the
city...
GMCarter - 28 Aug 2004 00:47 GMT
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>Bah, OP doesn't seem to get through my news server, using the reply...
>
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>> our people be healthier and smarter. Hey, if you're rich, the kiddies
>> can go to a private school.

Merci pour votre reponse! Alors, je peut dire seulement, "vive la
France!" Je veut revenir--c'est trops longues que j'etais la. Et ma
francais n'est pas bon, maintenant.

Georges
 
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