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What did I do to gain 140 lbs in 20 years?
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elliot gainway - 22 Aug 2004 09:21 GMT Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat pretty much the same as I did then except I can tolerate more salads and vegetables. I eat about the same amounts. And the same kinds. I follow my hunger; I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full, not stuffed! I will stop eating right in the middle of a meal if I am no longer hungry! I eat 3 times a day. I never binge eat. I never eat huge amounts. I have never went on a diet, although I have skipped meals due to schedules in the past. I have always been moderatetly active. I was never super athletic as a kid. I was skinny all through childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing sleep apnea a couple years ago.
MilkyWhy - 22 Aug 2004 14:56 GMT I am where you are. At 5' 9" I weighed 260 pounds. Over the last 8 months dieting and walking, I am at 200 pounds. I feel twice as good (well, that is) then at my 260 weight.
The weight does creep up on you, and it kills thousands. You need to start cutting down on the size of meal portions, start thinking about each meal --are you really hungry, each time you eat? Start drinking more water. Begin a slow walking schedule. Don't jog and damage your hips and knees.
fresh~horses - 22 Aug 2004 16:06 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. Metabolism slows down as we age. To boost metabolism do two sessions daily of aerobic exercise. Approx. 15 minutes each session, one in the morning and one before supper. Walking briskly with arms pumping is a good way to start. Be slightly breathless. That's all. Every day. This can be done on your way to work, if no other way. Either add this to your existing program, or begin here and build to a more intensive program.
Don't eat more food or more calorie dense foods. Make sure you get good quality complex carbohydrate because the active body needs carbohydrates. (That's why marathoners have a carbo load the night before the run).
Check here for tips on eating and working out.
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Zee
Jeff - 22 Aug 2004 17:10 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. I gained like 180 pounds in twenty years. When I was born, I weighed about 10 lbs and when I was 20, I was about 190 lbs.
The sleep apnea is probably from being too fat.
When you were young, you probably got a lot more excercise, especially if you sit a desk all day.
Plus, as you get older, your metabolism slows down.
Finally, you might be eating more than you think. Keep a diary.
Jeff
Wolfbrother - 22 Aug 2004 19:18 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. The answer is simple. It is called insulin resistance. That is why the weight slowly creeps up over the years. That is why it has nothing to do with overeating since you only eat when you are hungry. Ideally there is nothing wrong with that. Eating when you are hungry is the normal rational thing for all living creatures on this planet to do. However that only applies if those animals are eating a diet that is natural and normal. Humans however are the one creature that has fabricated its food to an extreme level where it is unfit to eat. If you eliminate these fake foods you WILL get your insulin resistance under control and that will lead to weight loss. You will NOT need to cut calories or starve yourself. You should NEVER be hungry it is that simple. When you eat the right foods you do not have to be and your weight will be normal. If you really want to lose the weight and be healthy it is simple. Simply stop eating refined sugar/flower and liquid/hydrogenated vegetable oils. Replace those refined carbs with vegetables and small to moderate amount of whole grains and replace the oils with plenty of animal fats, olive oil, and especially coconut oil. Do all or most of your cooking in coconut oil. Over all have a diet of no less than 50% calories from fat and preferably 60% or more. If you do this you WILL LOSE WEIGHT without having to starve yourself. You will stop the progression of insulin resistance and even reverse it. This will lead to countless health benefits. Now many people are going to tell you different but this is the simple truth and you should learn for yourself and do it. The results will be clear to you then. As they were clear to me and many others who inform themselves and change their diets. There only result is better health.
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taurusrc@pacbell.net - 22 Aug 2004 19:28 GMT Your metabolism has changed. Some people can handle more calories than others. You are simply taking in more than you are using up. When you were younger you became accustomed to eating as much as you wanted without gaining weight but the situation has changed. Now you need to eat less (calories) than you did before. You said you are eating about the same and you need to change your eating habits.
Ora
>Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now >at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing >sleep apnea a couple years ago. Phil Scott - 22 Aug 2004 19:48 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? Your metabolism slowed but you ate the same...very common. You get fat. Then you ate some processed food, those micro particles leak though the gut undigested and along with other things clogged your micro vessels and lymph system...making it hard for the body to burn fat... that made it worse.
The cure... join a gym work out 3x a week, fast on raw vegitable and green leafy juice (you make it you drink it right away) for two days a week.... you will be skinny in no time Your body however will crave all the bad stuff that built it... so that will slow you down as you pig out...but stay on that regime and you will recover... also read widely, there are other factors depending on your body type, health and history.
Phil Scott
>I eat > pretty much the same as I did then except I can tolerate more salads [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. Jeff - 23 Aug 2004 12:44 GMT > > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 > lbs. Now > > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? > > Your metabolism slowed but you ate the same...very common. > You get fat. True. He took in more calories than he burned.
> Then you ate some processed food, those micro > particles leak though the gut undigested and along with other > things clogged your micro vessels and lymph system...making it > hard for the body to burn fat... that made it worse. This is total bullshit. There is not such thing as micro particles that leek through the gut. This is utter nonsense. (If I am incorrect, please show me that peer-reviewed references that support this bullshit).
> The cure... join a gym work out 3x a week, fast on raw > vegitable and green leafy juice (you make it you drink it > right away) for two days a week.... you will be skinny in no > time Actually, much better advice is adopt a lower-calorie diet and start excercising. Walk more, take the stairs instead of the elevator, etc. Joining a gym is also a good idea, if you use the gym.
> Your body however will crave all the bad stuff that > built it... so that will slow you down as you pig out...but [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > developing > > sleep apnea a couple years ago. Phil Scott - 23 Aug 2004 18:54 GMT > > > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 > > lbs. Now [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > through the gut. This is utter nonsense. (If I am incorrect, please show me > that peer-reviewed references that support this bullshit). Leaky gut syndrom is well recognised. Its searchable on google. You get to do your own, I dont have time for handling basics issues that are already well know nor do I wish to argue at that level.
I will correct my remark though to say that not everyone has leaky gut syndrom, and not ALL of the processed food leaks though undigested...just some of the food... prions included... and semi digested particles.
You 'total bullshit' remark was impolite, and rude. I will not expect an apology after you get up to speed on the issue... btw, your inability to do a proper google search will also not be my problem. The phenomena is well known for at least 10 years in the medical community.
You are free to suprise me though with your polite reply after you do the search however. that would be nice.
> > The cure... join a gym work out 3x a week, fast on raw > > vegitable and green leafy juice (you make it you drink it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > excercising. Walk more, take the stairs instead of the elevator, etc. > Joining a gym is also a good idea, if you use the gym. amazing
> > Your body however will crave all the bad stuff that > > built it... so that will slow you down as you pig out...but [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > developing > > > sleep apnea a couple years ago. toggleman@hotspot.com - 23 Aug 2004 18:45 GMT Regarding "leaky gut syndrome":
"please show me
> that peer-reviewed references that support this bullshit). Leaky gut syndrom is well recognised. Its searchable on google. You get to do your own, I dont have time for handling basics issues that are already well know nor do I wish to argue at that level."
A search on medline got exactly 3 hits, none indicating any research being done. Google got several hits, most in the "alternative" camp of explanation, none supporting the assertion you made that weight gain is a result of it. I have heard it said that men with a middle age crisis sometimes are driven by it to buy large moterbikes and parade around on it hoping to get those of a female variety to ride behind.
Phil Scott - 24 Aug 2004 01:01 GMT > Regarding "leaky gut syndrome": > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > sometimes are driven by it to buy large moterbikes and parade around on it > hoping to get those of a female variety to ride behind. I run a 600cc race bike on the dirt ovals...it has one seat. No lights. No front brake, it burns nitro methane...its not a street bike type you refer to.... but yes indeedie racing with that bike pays off with plenty of adoring female fans..
What tell my doctors now, most frail and some real sick at age 65 when they question my rather advanced health regime is ... 'come to the races' see if you can find anyone else in my age bracket as fit and strong and lusty as I am.
There are not many of us around.
And I came from being a real basket case at age 55. So regardless ones notions on the accuracy of my medical insights, I'm beating the hell out those that claim to know more...I have reversed some serious medical conditions...and Im still getting stronger.
Lately, most of those skin anomalies that come with age, in my case one in particular a fatty nodule between my eyes, has dissapeared. It was apparently full of amyloids and when it reacted all of those cleared up... Im also looking much younger. There are many ancilliary signs. For instance my nails had gotten real brittle and would crack clear into the n ail bed... they are tough now.
My stamina is up to 20 laps on the half mile without loosing my muscle strenth, as good or better as when I was 25.
I just post what worked for me...
I do not even recommend some of the things I did, as way to risky. But I post what I did, and how its turned out.
You and others get to do their best. We get to compare notes informally when walking around in life, or in my case when seen rolling the flat tracker to the start line of one of the worlds hairiest races.... or climbing a 40' extension ladder carrying 50 lbs of tools on a construction site.
I couldnt come close to doing any of that at age 55. Its routine for me now.
I wish you well in *your life, learning curve and endeavors.
Phil Scott www.philscott.net
Mxsmanic - 23 Aug 2004 20:45 GMT > I will correct my remark though to say that not everyone > has leaky gut syndrom, and not ALL of the processed food leaks > though undigested...just some of the food... prions > included... and semi digested particles. LGS, even if it exists (which has not been established), has no influence on weight control. Even proponents of the theory do not claim that bits of food pass through the intestinal wall undigested (which makes no sense at all).
Obesity is caused by eating more than one burns. It can be prevented or reversed by eating less and exercising more. There are no exceptions to these rules.
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Phil Scott - 24 Aug 2004 00:43 GMT > > I will correct my remark though to say that not everyone > > has leaky gut syndrom, and not ALL of the processed food leaks [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > reversed by eating less and exercising more. There are no exceptions to > these rules. I wont argue those points but will make this statement. It *seems to me, that the more occluded the lymph is and the more occluded the capilary blood vessels are, the less nutrient and toxin purge is available to the cells....also the less blood flow in these areas the less well fat is carried back to be burned for energy.....
I have not seen much reference or research on this....I can recall one research piece that suggested that this may be an issue in diabetic weight gain etc.
Humanity is still in the dark ages on the ultimate medical issues. I suggest an open and enquiring mind, a creative mind on these matters in contrast to the notion that if it is not already accepted medical practice its bogus.
I think taking that latter position is ludicrous in itself... we saw a good example with that Sweden was treating ulcers with antibiotics to get rid of Hpylori bacteria that caused the ulcers 20 years before the AMA even permited testing.... abusive ignorance beyond all underestanding... a few hundred thousand people suffered and died needlessly. The protocol after all was just anti biotics in combination with acid pump blockers for two weeks... hardly a high risk protocol... yet the notion was trashed abusively for decades.
We find the same in many areas with american medicine, the use of cholesterol lowering drugs etc...largely now found to be counter producive to the extreme.
You are welcome to your views however..... the wisdom or lack thereof will have its affects over time on you and yours. I wish you the best in gaining an understanding in advance of what we have now.
You may have the last word.
Phil Scott
Mxsmanic - 24 Aug 2004 05:02 GMT > I wont argue those points but will make this statement. > It *seems to me, that the more occluded the lymph is and the > more occluded the capilary blood vessels are, the less > nutrient and toxin purge is available to the cells....also the > less blood flow in these areas the less well fat is carried > back to be burned for energy..... None of this has any relevance for weight control.
> I have not seen much reference or research on this....I > can recall one research piece that suggested that this may be > an issue in diabetic weight gain etc. Diabetics do not gain weight as a consequence of their diabetes. Some type II diabetics may have contracted the disease as a consequence of obesity, however. Being fat is the cause, not the effect.
> Humanity is still in the dark ages on the ultimate medical > issues. On some issues, yes. But weight is governed by the laws of thermodynamics, and so the reality of calories-in vs. calories-out is indisputable.
> I suggest an open and enquiring mind, a creative > mind on these matters in contrast to the notion that if it is > not already accepted medical practice its bogus. See above. The laws of thermodynamics are absolute and independent of medicine. Human bodies must obey those laws.
> You are welcome to your views however..... the wisdom or > lack thereof will have its affects over time on you and yours. My acceptance of this reality has been the key to weight control for me for many years, and the same is true for millions of other people. People who refuse to accept this reality remain fat.
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tcomeau - 22 Aug 2004 20:06 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? I eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > childhood until age 24. I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. Tell us what you would typically eat in a normal day. There may be a clue there.
TC
magnulus - 23 Aug 2004 02:15 GMT Eat more fiber. Lots of it. They have higher fiber breads out now, 3-4 grams per slice. Put a little Country Crock or "I can't believe its not butter" on it. It might take some getting used to, but you can get used to eating fiber. Also, try whole wheat pasta and brown rice. The brown rice has to cook a little longer than the white rice.
Also, cut out sweets. Make your own hot chocolate instead and use Splenda and maybe a little low-fat whip cream. Drink diet coke if you drink anything at all (Pepsi One also tastes good).
get a physical activity you can enjoy. For me, it's going down to the driving range and hitting golf balls a few times a week. Whatever works for you. It doesn't have to be earth shattering marathon running, just something to keep your metabolism up.
Mxsmanic - 23 Aug 2004 14:41 GMT > Twenty years ago at age 23 and 5'6" in height, I weighed 120 lbs. Now > at age 43 I weight 260 lbs! What did I do to get this way? You ate too much food.
Believe it or not, 140 lbs works out to just one slice of bread too many each day, or half a glass of soda pop or fruit juice. It doesn't take much.
> I eat about the same amounts. And the same kinds. Then you must be less active.
> I have no health problems except developing > sleep apnea a couple years ago. That's because you're fat.
But see above. It only takes an extra 67 kcal a day to gain the weight you've gained over the period you've indicated.
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Lictor - 26 Aug 2004 10:33 GMT > I follow my hunger; I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full, not > stuffed! If you do, then you should have been eating a bit less, since your needs when down and your hunger should have adjusted. First, did you get a full medical checkup? At your age and weight, and with sleep apnea, you should do a complete checkup anyway, and it might be worth it to check your metabolic condition. I'm thinking stuff like thyroid hormones, since they can really screw hunger control. But other things can, like reactive hypoglycemia. Anyway, checking for diabete, cholesterol and the rest won't hurt.
> I will stop eating right in the middle of a meal if I am no > longer hungry! I eat 3 times a day. I never binge eat. I never eat > huge amounts. I have never went on a diet, although I have skipped > meals due to schedules in the past. Good, better try to keep things this way and not mess up with them too much. Following your hunger is a pretty good mean to control your weight, *when* it works properly. Yet, you did eat too much, otherwise, your weight would not have crept up like that. So, something is obviously broken somewhere. You had a normal weight at 24, so this mostly rules out genetic causes. Part of the explanation might be to find out exactly *what* happened when you were 24. Did you change anything in your lifestyle? Was any psychological issue involved? Do you *always* follow your hunger, or do you feel like you *have* to eat sometimes? As another poster said, even tiny mistakes do add up in the long run. Like, feeling like you *have* to eat a fruit after your meal even though you're not really hungry anymore. Or like feeling you *have* to have breakfast, because you *have* to eat three times a day, even though you stuffed yourself at dinner and are not really hungry. You might want to keep a log of what you eat for a couple of weeks. Write down *everything*, food and quantity of course, but also if you were hungry or not, if you felt full or not, how you felt emotionnally (anxious, stressed...). The idea is to be able to stop *when* your natural regulation slips and why. It might be worth it to use your natural regulation and just slide down the full-stuffed cursor a bit downward. Usually, feeling full is quite progressive, it's possible to stop just a little bit early and still feel satisfied. Upping the overall level of exercise would not hurt either, even if it doesn't make you lose weight, it will help your overall health anyway.
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