 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / July 2004PHYSICIANS - WILDLY SUCCESSFUL MARKETING NETWORK
PHYSICIANS' TIES WITH THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY: A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF A WILDLY SUCCESSFUL MARKETING NETWORK http://www.conflictofinterest.info/papers/Kassirer.pdf 28 kb pdf file. TC Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. Do you have one? MikeV > PHYSICIANS' TIES WITH THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY: > A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF A WILDLY SUCCESSFUL MARKETING NETWORK [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TC > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > Do you have one? > MikeV Mike are you Canadian and think the US is evil too. > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > Do you have one? > > MikeV > > Mike are you Canadian and think the US is evil too. The answers to your question(s) are no and no. However I believe that excessive concentrations of power in society, whether in the form of a communist government, or a medieval Roman catholic Church, or a 19th century industrial oligarchy, unfettered trades unions, or putative monopolies, the military industrial complex, and now the pharmaco-government complex may potentially put us all at risk. The beauty of the American form of democracy, is that we are free, whenever we sense a tail beginning to wag the dog, we are free to speak up about it, and in our own small way exert a counter balancing influence. IMHO, at present we are at considerable risk from the pill culture and its pervasive influence on both the government, and our cultural behavior. I do not think that it can yet be characterized as a conspiracy. I do think that dangerous trends are at work in our health, nutrition and government which we may well live to regret. (there are many such as the 40+% who cannot afford insurance, who regret it already) It would be my most urgent desire to see at least one half of all US medical research funds directed toward prevention, rather than treatment While we're at it, lets find a way to get the effects of institutional contributions out of our electoral process. FWIW I am 68, healthy, am in my 7th year without any prescription drug, and have never taken drugs other than a rare antibiotic. I believe that the profit motive serves us well, as long as we ensure that the self-interest is 'enlightened', and reasonably harnessed for the greater benefit of society. Glad you were interested enough to ask, Robert! Constructive comments welcome. MikeV > > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > > Do you have one? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > IMHO, at present we are at considerable risk from the pill culture and > its pervasive influence on both the government, and our cultural behavior. If you are American I have no problem with that. Americans should decide what goes on in America. I do believe that it is a balancing act. I also believe that what has happened is by our own design and it is not set in stone. > I do not think that it can yet be characterized as a conspiracy. I do think > that dangerous trends are at work in our health, nutrition and government > which we may well live to regret. (there are many such as the 40+% who > cannot afford insurance, who regret it already) > It would be my most urgent desire to see at least one half of all US medical > research funds directed toward prevention, rather than treatment As for people not affording health insurence, let me say that the ER's of all hospitals are full to capacity with people like that. They get their medical needs taken care of by hospitals. Not ideal by no means. As to prevention, the problem lies at the basic research level. The basic research isn't there to "cure" in preventing something people know very little about. People can study something until they are blue in the face but if it's not followed up with commercial ventures then it's useless. Penicillin would still be in a dish. Prevention is a hard sell. You must tell somebody to change their lifestyle and it just won't happen. The denial is tremendous and look at the statin meds for prevention of coronary artery disease. It is very expensive, and exposes a large group of people to dangerous drugs. It is less than ideal and it will change in time but people don't trust anybody who says take this and it will prevent something. The cultural emphasis is on treating those who are sick because they are also the most compliant. > While we're at it, lets find a way to get the effects of institutional > contributions out of our electoral process. What happened to term limits? > FWIW I am 68, healthy, am in my 7th year without any prescription drug, and > have never taken drugs other than a rare antibiotic. Good for you. Taking drugs is no fun and neither is chronic illness. If you are eventually put on any, you will not by very happy with them. > I believe that the profit motive serves us well, as long as we ensure that > the self-interest is 'enlightened', and reasonably harnessed for the greater > benefit of society. You can't really micro manage private enterprise. It works largely for the benefit of society. Our eyes are sometimes bigger than our pocket books however so not everyone will be happy. > Glad you were interested enough to ask, Robert! > > Constructive comments welcome. > > MikeV Your maturity shows there Mike. Can't really argue with anything you said. I have been doing hospital work for 25 years so I do have my own point of view concerning medical issues and the problems in dealing with those things. > > > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > > > Do you have one? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > believe that what has happened is by our own design and it is not set in > stone. Sorry to inform you that the notion of "Fortress America" is now as dated as the ancient Rome and the British Empire on which the sun would supposedly "will never set". You may have failed to notice that the Pill Culture is an international phenomenon, with research and manufacturing by multi national corporations all over the world. IMHO however, nobody exceeds us in the level of governmental influence exerted. > > I do not think that it can yet be characterized as a conspiracy. I do > think [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and it will prevent something. The cultural emphasis is on treating those > who are sick because they are also the most compliant. Regrettably so, and to our great cost. > > While we're at it, lets find a way to get the effects of institutional > > contributions out of our electoral process. > What happened to term limits? Ineffective. Our democracy is at risk. However, I grant you it is still the best government money can buy. > > FWIW I am 68, healthy, am in my 7th year without any prescription drug, > and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > benefit of society. Our eyes are sometimes bigger than our pocket books > however so not everyone will be happy. No argument. > > Glad you were interested enough to ask, Robert! > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > have been doing hospital work for 25 years so I do have my own point of view > concerning medical issues and the problems in dealing with those things. How is it you failed to note my intelligence, humor, and sensitivity, and personal beauty, Robert? :-} Seriously, though, your recent posts lead me to another question relating to maturity and experience: How effective have you found it to be over the years? I mean of course, mindless ranting, at a level far below your apparent intelligence. Does it work? On whom? Any evidence? Does not the word science in the the group's title suggest that a higher "RRR" (reason to rant ratio) would have more effect, not to speak of gaining more respect. Regards MikeV In case you are interested, I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. > > > > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > > > > Do you have one? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > phenomenon, with research and manufacturing by multi national corporations > all over the world. There are many governmental policies pertaining to health which are regulated in this country and other countries have their own. We have already discussed the Canada has price controls on drugs that the US does not. Yes, they are multi national but each country is different. > IMHO however, nobody exceeds us in the level of governmental influence > exerted. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > that dangerous trends are at work in our health, nutrition and > government Name me a time frame or period in this countries history or any nation which does not or did not have dangers. > > > which we may well live to regret. (there are many such as the 40+% who > > > cannot afford insurance, who regret it already) [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > intelligence. > Does it work? On whom? Any evidence? Like you I have a serious job in dealing with many hair raising situations and quite frankly don't get a chance to vent on the job. I could get fired for telling a doctor what I really thought about certain things. I have fun at times with ranting at those that need ranting. From a practical point of view though how does a Canadian complaining about health care in the US help a Canadian? How does ranting about evil drugs help anyone? > Does not the word science in the the group's title suggest that a higher > "RRR" (reason to rant ratio) would have more effect, not to speak of gaining > more respect. > Regards > MikeV That is true so look up the number of posts I have had and the topics I have posted under. Now look at those who flame me. Now how does that RRR compare? > In case you are interested, I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. "MikeV" <mvidler@inamenospam.com> wrote in message news:<LhtLc.7777> > Ineffective. Our democracy is at risk. However, I grant you it is still the > best government money can buy. I always find it interesting how americans assume that their stuff is always superior to all others in the world. Their brand of democracy is the best in the world... Their health care is the best in the world.... Their quality of life is the best inte world.... Their media coverage is the best in the world.... Their politicians are the best in the world.... Their researchers are the best in the world... Their doctors are the best in the world... Their education system is the best in the world.... etc etc Oddly enough most americans have never strayed much beyond their borders and have absolutely no experience outside of the US to compare their stuff to. They believe this wiithout having any real concept of these things as they exist outside of the US context. It seems that they desperately and pathologically need to and want to believe that theirs is the best regardless of the reality, of which they have no real concept. TC > "MikeV" <mvidler@inamenospam.com> wrote in message news:<LhtLc.7777> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Their education system is the best in the world.... > etc etc Why else would Canadians be interested? How much do you know about Mexico? Who is the president of Mexico? Aren't deeply concerned he has drug ties? > Oddly enough most americans have never strayed much beyond their > borders and have absolutely no experience outside of the US to compare > their stuff to. They believe this wiithout having any real concept of > these things as they exist outside of the US context. In other words they mind their own business unlike Canadian's. > It seems that they desperately and pathologically need to and want to > believe that theirs is the best regardless of the reality, of which > they have no real concept. > > TC Like you said, they are not interested in other countries and don't care if the don't care if a Prime minister has a mistress or plays with his neighbors dog. They are concerned more with their own country and don't need Canadian's to tell them anything. > > "MikeV" <mvidler@inamenospam.com> wrote in message news:<LhtLc.7777> > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Why else would Canadians be interested? How much do you know about Mexico? > Who is the president of Mexico? Aren't deeply concerned he has drug ties? I know more about Mexico than most Americans. Vicente Fox Quezada is the president of Mexico but that is trivial information. What do you know about NAFTA and GATT? That is the important stuff. I'm just as concerned about Quezada's alleged drug ties as I am with Bush's oil ties and Kerry's food industry ties as well as Martin's shipping industry ties. And of course, I am still curious about your pharma ties which you keep avoiding. > > Oddly enough most americans have never strayed much beyond their > > borders and have absolutely no experience outside of the US to compare > > their stuff to. They believe this wiithout having any real concept of > > these things as they exist outside of the US context. > > In other words they mind their own business unlike Canadian's. But that is just it. Americans don't mind their own business. They mind everyone else business. The Bush doctrine. Canada gets involved in other countries business in the appropriate ways, like in diplomatic venues like the UN, trade talks, etc., unlike the US which involves themselves in other country by force of arms (Iraq, the Koreas, Vietnam, Cuba), by internal subversion (Iran, El Salvador, Cuba etc)) and economic strong-arm tactics(Every other country including Canada). > > It seems that they desperately and pathologically need to and want to > > believe that theirs is the best regardless of the reality, of which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > neighbors dog. They are concerned more with their own country and don't need > Canadian's to tell them anything. Americans are very much interested in every other country in the world, for economic empire building. What I said is that they don't care about other countries, which is a totally different thing. But I don't think you and most Americans would be able to tell the difference, too subtle for your level of intelligence I guess. And as long as this empire building can be even remotely justified by wrapping it in the red, white and blue, you guys will naively and buy into it. You guys bought into the invasion of Iraq and Cheney's company (Haliburton) is making a killing from your billions in tax money even while almost a thound soldier die, yet you keep on waving the flag supporting it. PT Barnum must be the patron saint of the Presidency in the US. TC > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > Do you have one? > > MikeV > > Mike are you Canadian and think the US is evil too. Poor Robert. The Foreigners are closing in!! Run man run! They are everywhere! They are out to get you! I think we are observing yet another unknown side effect of statins, paranoia! I think by now it is obvious to everyone that you have lost all credibility with your irrational and delusional rantings and accusations. > > > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > > > Do you have one? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is obvious to everyone that you have lost all credibility with your > irrational and delusional rantings and accusations. No problem there Wolfman, maybe I can go on a low carb diet and cure my psychosis like TC believes in. TC's prescription to combat psychosis is to have a guy walk into Subway and ask for a chicken wrap. > Good one TC. Couldn't find a date on it. > Do you have one? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > TC I don't have a date, but in the reference section he makes references to papers from 2003 so I would think that it would not have been written earlier than a couple of months into 2003. TC |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.